That does make sense and i think it is a great idea.

In our case, we are only going to allow webmasters to use our content to promote our site. We absolutely do not want other content being used to market us and we will discourage that at all times. We have 20 years plus of our own exclusive stuff to draw from. The difference between us and others becomes clear to surfers quickly.

hunkmoney has a few hosted free sites already and I will make you a promise that we will get more online!

cheers,
Luke

I'm working on them as fast as I can! |peace|

Some good points. Am i the only web master who thinks forced ujc traffic from tgp's is absolute rubbish?

I seem to be..

You seem to be the only person on this board who's even remotely concerned with "forced ujc traffic".

Hell no - I'm on that bandwagon too! :D

can any body show sponsors with good free hosted free sites? and also show what is the difference to no good ones?

After talking with a bunch of Link List Owners at a conference, we built up 50+ Hosted Free Sites.

Now they have been available for awhile, I am surprised at how few Link List owners have actually listed any of them...

We know they convert, cause some green person did well enough with them to get a $1,000 Bonus from us
Post :)

Many of the very Link List owners that advised us to build them, don't link to them?!?!?

http://www.howigotrich.com/hosted_freesites.htm

A free site submitter could do well with these too since they are so underexposed.

Currently, we get a much better ROI on other promotional efforts. But, we are building a second batch of Hosted Free Sites with even more input from Link List owners. Hope they get listed in more places than the current Hosted Free Sites.

:(

I think I've listed them all and waiting for new ones to come out :D

Here a few hosted free sites as samples:

http://www.tampabukkake.com/freesite/008/?ccbill=574284
http://www.bustycafe.net/freesites/c....php?id=100031
http://www.littlethumbs.com/free/jan...?coupon=772113
http://freesites.fetishhitsgallery.c...pps=fhniceporn
http://www.katvixen.com/HFS/naturalredhead/?808436

I would not list that one with the Enter link going right to the sponsor. :(

Well for me it has been a happy relationship.. no sex... no marriage commitments.. but a jolly nice cheque each month... and golly.....a great bonus...

Cheers guys!!! |shake| Nice free sites that work well :)

We did it!
 

Yes, we had several discussions about that these past months...
Following your comments, we did built some free sites...
We decided to implement a zip & a hosted version so that we match at best our affiliate needs...

http://banners.toteme.com/site1/?ids...le=YourWebSite
http://banners.toteme.com/site1/?ids...le=YourWebSite
http://banners.toteme.com/site1/?ids...le=YourWebSite
(Change "YourWebSite" for a name of your choice)

They are done in 3 pages:
- disclaimer
- one main page with all models (by letters)
- one page per model with 2 gallery links on it (either 2 VirtuaGirl2 photo galleries or 1 VirtuaGirl2 photo gallery + 1 OneGirladay Video gallery when available) or a direct link to the site.

Accessible here !

Any suggestions?
Cheers

Celine - I'm not sure who built those for you, but they are grossly misinformed as those are NOT what Link Lists define as "free sites"

A Free Site, in it's most basic form, is a warning page followed by a main page that links to 2 galleries with 10 pics in each. Some Free Sites have 3 galleries, some have more then 10 pics per page, but none look like the ones you posted :(

Here's a couple examples of what I feel are decent Hosted Free Sites:

http://sammy4u.com/tgp/new/freesites...?nats=NDc6NDox - from Sammy Smack
http://sites.smoothkittens.com/hfs/a...shavers/?blamo - from Outback Cash
http://www.bustycafe.net/freesites/c....php?id=100170 - from NS Cash
http://www.katvixen.com/HFS/busty_re...ead.php?256287 - from Kat Cash
http://www.phoenixxxblaque.com/frees...?ccbill=335857 - from How I Got Rich
http://foxy-angel-shemale-promotions...dex.php?657466 - from Foxy Angel
http://www.forthegirls.com/s04/s09/index.html?501671 - from Purple Dollars
http://amateur-facials.com/freesites...ny.html?581222 - from AF Dollars

There's a lot more, but that will give you an idea of what Link List owners are looking for :)

Thanks Greenguy !
Link lists will not list them, you think?
In fact, we just need to get the warning page link to each model page that has 2 galleries each... so we get warning + main page with link to 2 galleries...

Thanks!

Yes, a warning page in front of http://banners.toteme.com/site1/?ids...le=YourWebSite would be good. But make it a unique warning page - one that fits with the pics of the model & the color scheme of the site.

And get rid of the links that open in new windows - most of us don't allow those :(

I noticed that no one ever mentions Sweet Money. They have new HFS all the time. I know cause I build some of them.

here is a full listing of the ones currently available

http://895.abbraxaporn.com/?r=your-code
http://896.abbraxaporn.com/?r=your-code
http://897.abbraxaporn.com/?r=your-code
http://898.abbraxaporn.com/?r=your-code
http://899.abbraxaporn.com/?r=your-code
http://900.angelsofpornvideo.com/?r=your-code
http://916.angelsofpornvideo.com/?r=your-code
http://930.angelsofpornvideo.com/?r=your-code
http://943.angelsofpornvideo.com/?r=your-code
http://946.angelsofpornvideo.com/?r=your-code
http://901.buttcam.com/?r=your-code
http://917.buttcam.com/?r=your-code
http://931.buttcam.com/?r=your-code
http://933.buttcam.com/?r=your-code
http://947.buttcam.com/?r=your-code
http://903.fistinglessons.com/?r=your-code
http://919.fistinglessons.com/?r=your-code
http://922.fistinglessons.com/?r=your-code
http://935.fistinglessons.com/?r=your-code
http://949.fistinglessons.com/?r=your-code
http://968.IJC.com/?r=your-code
http://904.jakebustsnuts.com/?r=your-code
http://920.jakebustsnuts.com/?r=your-code
http://923.jakebustsnuts.com/?r=your-code
http://936.jakebustsnuts.com/?r=your-code
http://950.jakebustsnuts.com/?r=your-code
http://905.maxhardcoreporn.com/?r=your-code
http://921.maxhardcoreporn.com/?r=your-code
http://924.maxhardcoreporn.com/?r=your-code
http://937.maxhardcoreporn.com/?r=your-code
http://951.maxhardcoreporn.com/?r=your-code
http://906.misspain.com/?r=your-code
http://911.misspain.com/?r=your-code
http://925.misspain.com/?r=your-code
http://938.misspain.com/?r=your-code
http://952.misspain.com/?r=your-code
http://907.peelover.com/?r=your-code
http://912.peelover.com/?r=your-code
http://926.peelover.com/?r=your-code
http://939.peelover.com/?r=your-code
http://953.peelover.com/?r=your-code
http://908.sweetauditions.com/?r=your-code
http://913.sweetauditions.com/?r=your-code
http://927.sweetauditions.com/?r=your-code
http://940.sweetauditions.com/?r=your-code
http://954.sweetauditions.com/?r=your-code
http://909.sweetloads.com/?r=your-code
http://914.sweetloads.com/?r=your-code
http://928.sweetloads.com/?r=your-code
http://941.sweetloads.com/?r=your-code
http://944.sweetloads.com/?r=your-code
http://977.sweetloads.com/?r=your-code
http://910.sadoslaves.com/?r=your-code
http://915.sadoslaves.com/?r=your-code
http://929.sadoslaves.com/?r=your-code
http://942.sadoslaves.com/?r=your-code
http://945.sadoslaves.com/?r=your-code
http://902.thedirtyoldman.com/?r=your-code
http://918.thedirtyoldman.com/?r=your-code
http://932.thedirtyoldman.com/?r=your-code
http://934.thedirtyoldman.com/?r=your-code
http://948.thedirtyoldman.com/?r=your-code
http://975.thedirtyoldman.com/?r=your-code

Maybe becouse of adult content (in fact another link to your site) on 'leave' link |couch|

What are you talking about? I am not affiliated with Sweet Money so there is no "leave" link to my site.. whatever that means. Maybe something was lost in translation..

I just meant they were good sites for link lists... not sure what you are shooting for with your off the wall comment

Ok, pardon me.. I mean there is their (adult) page linked to exit button. Don't you really see nothing unnormal in this? So why the hell they placing '*** WARNING ***' there?

There's a lot of programs that have HFS that are not mentioned in this thread - so why :)

& there really was no need to post a list of their sites :D

Yeah I thought about not posting them all but then I thought I may get even more grief by just posting a link to a page with the list. Sorry about that .. I tried to edit the post to get rid of the list but its past the 60minute limit.

Peace
- Gideon

Mateusz - You are correct my apologies for not understanding. I brought the subject up to Sweet Money and I am awaiting their reply. The "exit" link should never lead to another pron related site in my opion. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

|waves|

- Gideon

Someone needs to tell Sweet Money to drop the "leave" links.... linking them to the promoted site sucks..;(

DD

Hey guys - gideon pointed me to this thread. I totally understand what you mean about our free sites.
When they were built the exit link was going to google but it seems our programmer
decided its better this way without knowing the business lol

They will be fixed today. One questions though:

Better to link the exit link to google or to leave it out altogether?

thx for the feedback!

I would leave it out altogether, BUT tell them to press their BACK button NOW if they dont agree to your terms.

2 wee lil cents.

We have them [see sig] , free hosted sites and I do not know if they suck or not they were around before Q and I were employed a month ago...but new ones are coming..

If they do suck, where did we error, so we can do next lot CORRECTLY from this point forward.

GG, are you using our free hosted sites? Your conversions are nice, BTW...considering...

Too many graphics ( I saw 71 images load on one of the pages)

Not enough sales text (actualy, there's basicaly no sales text)

Only 8 pics per page & 16 for the site (most Link Lists require 10/20)

No title's or theme's for the sites (they help a lot on the Free Site game)

Vid caps (most suck as far as quality)

No, I'm not using them :D

GG, thank-you DO much for the feedback because I needed an expert to go over the problems.

XBang just hired a Chief Designer inhouse who stats Feb 2nd who has alot of experience in adult to manage the design team.

The promo tools were done way before they hired Q and myself on board.

What is wonderful about XBang, is they have heavily resourced and can correct things once identified...they spare NO expense.

Your punchlist was exactly what we needed ! XBang wants things done 110% the way webmasters want them..and they want to oveload the webmaster with promo tools...

THANK-YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Hee Hee*, once XBang gets a couple of months under the feet, we will all giggle about this convo...there is no question XBang is gonna be a Top 5 preferred sponsor once they work out their launch kinks.

I am sorry you had to make your own promo tools for us but your converting nicely.

Is there a good place I can get a sample to submit to the design dept?

You know, I was a little scared about ripping the HFS's apart like that, but I knew you'd want to know why they sucked :D

I posted some examples of what I think are good HFS's above, but here they are again :)

Chop has some nice ones too:

http://chopsmiths.com/rosetara01/index.php?865141

Well organized by dates and good layouts easy navigation..

plus his content isn't overused.. so there is great variety.

|rasta|

Oh GG, heaven no do not ever be scared to tell it how it is. I took the whole thing as very valuable information and already got a response from our design team and the owner of XBang. They REALLY appreciated this feedback and thank-you so very much.

This is what they needed, I have NO idea who advised them on how to do the ones they did but clearly the advice left alot to be desired.

XBang, is gonna jump on this feedback and come back with promo tools that will get your nod!

If we do not work together what kind of relationship would we have? If you are not given the promo tools that work, we have let you down, and thats not the business we are in.

We can fix our promo tools but we cannot fix broken relationships, and we value everyones business and will always fulfill requests if it makes a webmaster's job easier and more profitable.

I guarantee XBang gonna jump on the new free hosted site issues, ASAP now that they have excellent guidance from the board full of Masters!

THANK-YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank-you to all those that showed us more examples. The investment in us will be worth it to you :-)

If you want us to review a few test sites, just post'em & the Link List owners around here will be quick to make snide comments :D

Our company is still buzzing with all the great feedback on the free sites.

Now, we need somebody to tear apart our Hosted Galleries in the same fashion .

Any TGP or MGP webmasters around??

Just taking a peek at them they all are off center :( and have a weak if any sales text :(

You could always join us at OTB on Saturday.. MML dispenses extremely valuable information.. |pink not to mention all the witty commentary!!

Dare,

I have restrained myself from replying to this tread, because I realize that my reply could be viewed as spammy. Since I think I have a couple of points that have not been addressed, I am going to take a chance of being spanked.

I have got numbers showing the downhill spiral of the quality of TGP traffic started at least three years back. The only correlation that I can draw is that it started downhill when TGPs' were forced into listing only preferred submitters. This is just an observation and might not have a damn thing to do with it.

Part of it is the time involved in building a free site or the cost since our time is really our money. Several things go into this:
Design
I could probably deliver you 50 new galleries by morning and guarantee that they would all look somewhat different. When you dealing with 1 page, you can template the hell out of it, regardless if it is .php or .html. Also, I think that TGP owners are more tolerant of templates. On the opposite, LL owners are less tolerant of templates. And it is a fact that there is not that many ways to do a warning page and main page. It is made easier if the sponsor resorts to a graphical design, but then most of the better LL frowns on this type of design. It is a hard call for the sponsor so I think most of your larger sponsors just say to hell with it and end up missing the second best traffic to there tour, assuming that SE would be the best.
Coding
After you have the promo designed (html) then you have got to deal with passing the affiliate code (php). Dealing with a one-page gallery, it is a simple matter. Dealing with four pages, it is more difficult. I don't think it is intentional, but if you follow the code thru on some free hosted sites you will find that the reference to your affiliate code is lost. To prove this you might have to hit your back button several times and do some stupid moves that surfers do. Honestly, regardless of what anyone says capturing the QUERY_STRING on the entry page is not enough. It has got to be done on all four pages and for every link, if you are using php, you have got to have at least three lines of code. God knows, I wish someone could prove me wrong on this but if you are going to be safe with your php code, there is no easy way. Finally, on this point some of us small operators value link list traffic, the last thing we would want is to piss an owner off or to be perceived as cheating the LL owner out of his traffic.

The shit sticks theory.
I'm borrowing this theory from a person that I value his opinion much and regardless of the degree of success I have in this business I will always be appreciative of his support and help. His theory goes something like "if you throw enough shit on the wall some is bound to stick." IMO most of the "successful sponsors" subscribe to this theory. Therefore, since they are well established they will keep throwing it by using the easiest method that happens to be hosted free galleries.

I am not sure that you are quite correct here or perhaps I misunderstood you. If you are correct, I damn sure want to do it. But if you are referring to your link list, why would you want to waste your time and pay for the bw. Whereas if you use the FHS, the sponsor is pays for the bandwidth. I think it would be doing a submitter an injustice if a sponsored zipped a FHS, the submitter just changes the link code and submits it just to have it rejected because the LL is already listing the original FHS.

I have missed something here, haven't I?


Straying off the subject of your thread somewhat, I want to share an excerpt from my business plan that was written close to two years ago, but I think it holds true today. In the future; like TGPs, I believe that there will be very few link list accepting submissions. I think that most will be using hosted free-sites. At the present time there are very few sponsors offering hosted free-sites while most are providing hosted galleries. Hence, I believe that even the big link list owners would prefer listing quality hosted free sites from someone that they trust and earn revenue from the listing as opposed to listing sites from a submitter. Therefore, the plan will be to build one hosted free site and one hosted gallery each day for each site Now I realize that there could be several reasons for me missing the boat here - shitty designs, inability to properly convert, the use of ccBill, etc., but I think it would benefit some of us "small timers" to have your constructive comments.

Nice post Chop

DD

I will skip the next 80-90 replies and just add quickly that you should be thankful for the *free site* as a promotion fact. I think that, if free sites get as popular as TGPs the bulk traffic will increase, but the level of quality traffic will drop down quickly as well. At least I think so, while free site building is a good way to do quality advertisming, I don't think that having more of these ready-2-submit free sites is a really good idea.

I just want to add something to this fine pice of writing. Here's a little example of a possible linkcode for hosted free site, in order to track the aff ID:

sponsorsite.com/free_sites/affiliate_id/site01/
sponsorsite.com/free_sites/affiliate_id/site01/main.html
sponsorsite.com/free_sites/affiliate_id/site01/gallery1.html

You can use mod_rewrite and you keep the affiliate ID in the URL, your whole problem is solved and that is not even coding.

Also, miding the fact that there're such things as cookies and sessions (sessions require cookies, but they can be loaded thru a GET/POST variable that could be also taken from the URL via mod_rewrite), passing thru a single page will solve your tracking problem.

As a conclusion I will say that most probably, free sites are rarely provided by sponsors, because of the tons of restrictions of different LLs (at least that's the way I see it). Also lets not forget the fact that FHG are built times quicker than HFS (hosted free sites), which leads to the simple calculation - less time, more FHG, more traffic. I think that's the way a sponsor owner will look at it, also isn't it true that most of the webmasters are doing galleries, but not free sites? Again, more FHG submitters than HFS submitters...

It seems that time is the main reason there're less HFS provided by sponsors. FHG are added sometimes 10 per week, in a month that is 40 in a year total of 520 FHG, 2'000'000 uniques each for the gallery's life time with conversion ratio (FHG => paysite) about 1:1000, that will lead to 2k uniques per gallery. On 520 galleries that is 1'040'000 and that number kills.

Maybe these numbers are big for many of the sponsors out there, but they may also be pretty small for the ones that can afford to build so many FHG. And that is quick traffic - it comes almost after publishing the new gallery, no submissions, nothing - just build it, publish it and they will come.

Huh, my reply is too long isn't it :)