nastydollars dont pay you, if the surfer cancels in the first 4 hours. probably a lot of you people, who says: "i wouldnt promote such sponsor" , are already promoting them :-)

Now that's a hard one:
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22wi...en-US:official

lol

I recall reading that condition about signups that Nasty Dollars has. The sponsors I like to use the most just pay per signup, without any conditions. Kind of interesting checking out the T&C pages with all the fine print that we might not read when we signup. :)

Thanks. :)

OIC said the blind man!

Maybe I was looking too hard for the logical and fair reasoning I suspected was behind it.. :\

I felt like I read the terms several times over too! (And actually thought everyone else had not engaged their brain before attempting to think. But is was moi.. DOH)

Sorry about that Karen! |peace|

Well then, no problem Opti :P

- In fact I feel and think I'm clever. Who does not? I bet you felt "clever" too when posting your reply.

- Because lassiter was asking if such a sponsor exists and why should I not include my referal id? If someone does not want to signup under an affiliates id he can copy the normal url out of the link. Where's the prob? |peace|

My cleverness knows no bounds, much like my temper. :D
|peace|

I simply can't agree with the concept of:

"Its not my problem if the sponsor can't retain my sale"

You and your sponsor are partners, if your sponsor doesn't make money you shouldn't. Your choice of sponsor should be geared not only to the payout, but the quality of their sites, especially with revshare, but also with PPS for this very reason.

Now that being said, do any of you have any idea the number of surfers who cancel before they even log into the members area, and lets not even touch on the surfers who know they are going to seek a refund or chargeback before they even signup.

If you cold sell the surfer or promise things that aren't offered by the paysite then you are handing the paysite a hot potato so to speak. You may argue that most people presell the sponsor, but I have to say that most affiliates don't do it very well, or over boast what a sponsor has to offer.

Im not a fan of the 4 hour cancel time, but if they have a quality members area (eg nastydollars have great members areas), then I can certianly see it as being a safeguard for the sponsor paying a very nice $35-40pps.

The above echos my thoughts exactly. I have never liked promoting sponsors who have the idea that retention on their site is my job. I'm going to be checking my existing sponsors to make sure no one is pulling this one on me or have added it in without me knowing.

Luckily, I only have a handful of pps's though, I mostly do partnerships.

Maybe sponsors should be checking their affiliates from time to time and oh, I don't know, maybe cancelling their accounts if they are found to be promising things that the site doesn't deliver? Most of my sponsors provide approved text and I generally base my descriptions on that information, and not on something I pulled out of my ass.

I'm sure there are plenty of good sponsors with excellent sites that do NOT have the 4-hour caveat in their TOS though. Like a few others have said here, it also smacks of being an excuse to shave the affiliate.

You're right, it IS a partnership, even when it is a pay-per-signup agreement.... but I consider my job done if I have properly and honestly referred the intitial sale. After that it is the sponsor's job to keep that sale. Period. Not to mention all the work I did to build my sites and traffic, that's all part of the scenario too. If given a choice between promoting a "4-hour" sponsors and one with no "4-hour" caveat, I'm very likely to go with the latter.

You are obviously a responsible webmaster and I am assuming that preselling the surfer responsibly is 2nd nature to you, but not to most.

The fact of the matter is that even a small-medium webmaster program wouldn't have the time to check their webmasters for anything but the worst breaches.

Hell I agree with just about everything said in this thread except for the suggestion that its exclusively the sponsors fault if they dont conver/retain. :)

A massive j/script binary in the HTML puts me off more than a 4 hour cancellation clause.

I don't see any javascipt on the mainpage for affiliates, all I see is some flash .

I see some javascript on one of the tour pages I looked at but it didn't look like anything bad to me.

Can you post the offending code or a url?

It was the index page for one of the sites - the bondage one if I remember correctly. I couldn't display it as I'd turned off j/script. When I viewed the source I found a massive block of binary in a j/script statement. I assume it wasn't malicious, but I've no idea what it does as I just closed out and moved on.