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It's truly tragic that a trade organization for webmasters can't get their online billing to work, though....|couch| |
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New 2257 Home Page From AVN. Mainly for AVN advertisers, but there are a couple good things for all adult WM there. |thumb
http://www.avn.com/2257 |
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SWEET! Cause I love complaining! |
Linkster - thank you :)
does anyone else here think that what our industry really needs is a publicist? seriously... gambling used to have a terrible rap, but then vegas people got together, had news stories and stuff put out, and now gambling is wholesome family fun. most of us are careful to report cp when we find it, we never would use it on our sites, and there are some intellegent and articulate members in our community. also there are pornstars like nina hartley who not only are actors, but also directors and producers. the world doesn't see people like that. maybe it's time they did. just a thought... |
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Introduced in the current session of congress in Feb - it actually repeals the entire 22nd amendment which includes the term limits for the president - it has been sent to subcommittee where it is being reviewed presently |
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2257 will not stop CP
2257 is supposed to be a deterant to CP. I can not see how. Producers of CP are criminals. Criminals do not abide by laws in the first place, obviously. So the only thing 2257 will do is exactly this. Which is make a lot of innocent webmasters, who are law abiding citizens, scramble and worry about how they are going to maintain their income. Which in most cases is way to meager to maintain life and needs to be supplemented anyway. 2257 is not going to impact people making CP in the least. It is a crock of shit. I myself am a producer and my sites primary model. As it is right now I do not divulge my physical address in my 2257 records. If and when the fed want to come see me, they know exactly where I am, what my business name is and what exactly it is that I do. I do not plan to take down anything and I also am not going to give out my identity and physical location. If they would like they can come and lock me up. I'll fucking rot in the cell they take me to and the people making CP will still be making it. 2257 is not going to do jack shit about the illegal production of porn using under aged models because the people are criminals and obviously pay no attention to the law anyway. Amen. Thanks and have a great day. |peace|
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Although it looks like they need 3/4 of the different states to agree. |
Fox News Channel ran a quickie news item on their screen ticker about the coalition filing the lawsuit. Of course they got the facts wrong and it went by so fast it made my head spin. |dizzy|
I wish some of these "journalists" would have the balls to actually interview a couple of people in the industry for their take on the situation. It would be nice to have some facts for a change. Oh, I forgot that's too much like genuine unbiased journalism. :D |
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Anyway, I'm glad someone is doing something on behalf of the adult industry. They'll get my 300$ as soon as they put an online payment option. Anyone who is on our side, deserves our support and $$$$ |
While I think what the FSC is doing is great, I still have the problem with the fact that their injunction would only cover members of the FSC
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Koolkat, it doesn't make sense because it's BS. If the court grants an injunction against 2257 it will have effect for everyone who would have been subject to the law, that is, everyone in the United States.
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Candy, you make a very good point.
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Have you guys noticed that the little that the mainstream press is writing about this is about how we are panicking? And not a lot about the government coming after us.
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I hate to think that "the sky is falling" mentality is what fuels the mainstream stories but it sure looks that way.
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A press release should have been made notifying the public that the privacy of 100,000s of innocent Americans will be destroyed by this regulation. That we are fighting to uphold the 1st and 4th amendments because if we do not then we are one step closer to the thing that countless Americans have died to protect. If this passes then they could easily be next. Instead the press just announced that we’re a bunch of lazy fucks and the American public should support new regulations. |
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Send the damn fax and stop bitching. |
SirMoby - you would think with the senior members they have on their board of directors from AVN and ASACP that they would have planned to do that - which is just another reason that I still believe they have no concern here with the "lowly" webmasters but are just worrying about the top production companies and their distributors - and have stayed completely away from any communications with us - even the ones that are members
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Like I already mentioned, the fact that they are saying that any legal action they take will not affect non-members, so basically if I want it (injunction ruling in favor of webmasters) to cover me, then I need to join. Last time I checked, an injunction on a law covers everyone, not just the parties that filed for the injunction.
I could understand something like if a person got a speeding ticket, and the judge found the person not-guilty, it would affect only that one person, not everybody. But there are instances where the one person requests the calibration logs and finds out that the officer didn't calibrate his radar properly, so then the judge throws out all the speeding tickets that were issued by that officer. The latter would be the case here. |
koolkat,
The way an injunction ruling was explained to me was that the injunction covers the party(s) that brought forward the legal action. The judge may decide at that time, that the injunction should cover everyone (the entire industry in this case). I have also been told that it is common practice not to enforce any law that has an injunction against it out of respect for the judge and his court. Not sure since I'm not a lawyer. That's just the explanation I got. |
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I'm sure they love it. |
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Indentity theft crisis
Has anyone given any thought to the indentity theft crisis in this nation? So you are asking to freely give out people's personal info all over the internet. So maybe you can prove you are not using underage models but is the FBI going to be here for me when I have a line of horny stalkers at my door, are they going to be there for me when my indentity is stolen and credit ruined? I think this is going to create a huge problem with identity theft, personal info is new age gold. Why don't they pass legislation on protecting personal info first? Further more, it is still pretty disgusting that any child can just say yes I'm 18, I'll enter this site. Now I may be biting off my nose to spite my face, but wouldn't it be a more meaningful crusade to make sure kids don't have access to this stuff in the first place? Just being the devil's advocate. I just labled all my sites with ICRA, http://www.icra.org/, and did a test on my own sites. No computer with child protection software can get into my sites period. I am also going to first pay to affilaite myself with ASACP, http://www.asacp.org/index.php, before I pay to be a part of the Free Speech Coalition. I am already entitled to free speech, I am not going to pay for it. I do not shoot any other models. The only material I shoot is of myself. If a producer of purchased content represents to me that the model is over 18 and they are not, let the fuck that took the pictures go to jail. I will not be responsible and would never knowingly use such content, as is the case with all of us I can be sure. To date I know I have not. But I can not be implicated in a crime I didn't commit. |thumb
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there seems to be some confusion based on the last couple of msgs in this thread - the FSC file a TRO (temporary restraining order) which is NOT an injuction - big difference - and the TRO probably does only cover their members - although Id hate to be the DA that tried to side step that one
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Test your site
Why don't we focus on what we can change? As webmasters we can concentrate on the things we can change. Test your site to make sure kids can't get into it. I found a cool tool for this here: http://mtas.surfcontrol.com/mtas/CPTAS.asp
"God grant us the serenity to accept the things we cannot change, courage to change the things we can, and wisdom to know the difference." Let the producers and photographers worry about the age of the models they are using, becuase unless you are standing there with a camera, this is out of your control. Concentrate on what you can change. Start by making sure the little bastards can't get in your site. Thanks and have a great day. |headbang| |
While I'm willing to take reasonable steps to make sure kids can't access my sites this is first and foremost the parents' responsibility.
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I hate to piss in your wheaties here - but 2257 has nothing whatsoever with keeping kids away from porn sites on the net - that is a completely different legislation that was killed by the supreme court a few years back
And actually I think you will find most WMs do use the PICs label on their larger sites that would normally get into search engines etc So I guess Im a little confused about what the hell all of this talk about PICs labels and joining the ASACP has anything to do with filing the 2257 TRO (not injunction as the thread states) Im not trying to be a jerk as I think they are both worthy causes and deserve their place in seperate threads |
Yeah, the discussion has taken a bit of a left turn. Maybe we're all getting tired of discussing 2257? ;)
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I think 2257 needs a swift overhaul
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Injunction... TRO... it doesn't really matter. The point is that the FSC is playing the "sky is falling" scenario, and that if we don't pay money to join them, then we would are screwed because we can still be prosecuted, even if their members win. I think that is the biggest crock of shit, and as long as they are only doing this for their "members" and not all webmasters, then I will not give them one penny!
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