Suddenly, because the guy who lives next to you killed 20 people at the shopping mall last week, is it now acceptable to shoot 1 person? It's not as bad, you know?

Let's just all throw our hands up and steal from each other. BTW, check your phone sex lines, I had them all redirected to my own account quietly when you were not looking. It's okay, morals are not important. Someone else did that to 1000 sex lines last week, so I am okay.

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Basically, you have to do a morality check on yourself. Understand that there are people who will look at your choices and decide if they want to do business with you or not on that basis. How you personally choose will affect how those other people look at you...

You are free to do what you want. Enjoy it.

Alex

I don't follow you Rawalex nor am I trying to start a war or defend anyone. I'm guilty for buying ads through the AVN AD Network (as I found out yesterday here).

You are promoting sponsors that run ads on the AVN Ad Network too.
So aren't you guilty too?

Yeah, your phone sex line threat is a reality that I have been dealing with for a long time... It happens.

suddenly, ever play the six degrees of Kevin Bacon? Everyone in the world pretty much can be related to Kevin Bacon in about 6 steps or less.

I promote a sponsor that buys ad space from a company the is partners in a business that manages ad space for a company that steals bandwidth and content.

If you read the other threads, you will see that I have taken sponsors and AVN itself to task on the issue, and now Adbrite is no longer the Fusker ad sales channel of choice (they use engage now, I think).

There is one sponsor I use a fair bit right now that not so quietly uses Guba and Fusker type sites to promote their business. Even when the issues have been pointed out, they continue. I am in the process of dropping that sponsor, in the manner that I don't promote AFF or knowingly link to free sites or galleries that promote them.

I can have morals and still work in this business. You might want to try it :)

As for the phone sex line thing, would you just say "that's nice"? Would you be happy is someone wrote spyware that redirect 50% of your page surfers to another site? Would that be acceptable, because it is only a little theft? Would 60% make it worse?

Alex

suddenlysex - the majority of this board - Jim & myself included - are very anti-AVN. AVN is great for the video community, but they stink as far as webmasters & their people have agreed with us on things like the Vegas Internext convention, which by their own admission is not for webmasters.

That being said, I do not use Adbrite & I try to not link to sites that promote them, mostly because they allowed fusker & others to use them before legit webmasters bitched about it & they dragged their feet after they were called out on it.

Sites like fusker would close if they had no revenue coming it, so it only makes sense for legit webmasters to shun them & those who support them.

Well said Greenie |thumb

It's one thing to promote one of those sponsors unknowingly. It's something else entirely to be informed about the issues and choose to continue doing so...and then play it off as though morals don't matter in this business because it's PORN.

It's been my experience that morals and ethics are pretty closely tied to one another. If a person is bereft of one, they're most likely lacking in both. In my opinion, that's a person to be avoided by honest, ethical business people who treat the adult industry as a business.

Thanks for making that clear for me Greenguy. My main industry that I promote is much different than you, jim and the board for sure. So the fusker looser sites don't really have the same impact on me as your link list sites.

I don't come here much so I'm not up to speed on the fusker bullchit. But man, Rawalex was right about the phone sex scrapers that hit my industry in the face. I've been ripped big time more than once (much more ;(

This is a good example how adult boards like this help (us) Webmasters
grow and become successful. I'm not the one that came here trying to get paid advertisements from anyone through the AVN network. I just came here and discovered a big fusker deal about it and thought, holy-shit I've been dealing with AVN for a long time what's going on?"

You get your pictures stolen I get my phone sex lines stolen... I hate those thieves.

I also hated those math word problems in school RAWALEX!

Just my last comment here though, I visited all the link listers that made comments on this thread and I see AVN advertised sites everywhere. That's when I spoke up...not realizing the fusker deal, but again that is why these adult boards kick ass for us all to learn and grow.... Speaking of "grow" I'm going to go smoke now ;) and visit these fuskerer sites that are rippin you guys. I don't even know what kind of scraping they are doing to you. Christ maybe my phone sex operator biosonline are fuskered... Then I would be double fuskered.

Peace all.

ouch mrYum... I am not the one promoting these sponsors with the knowledge of fusker and playing it off moraly. Check your host, check all of your sponsors and get rid of them if they promote with AVN. Check Rawalex's sig as he's promoting other webmasters to sign up directly to AVN advertisers directly in his sig.

Just to clarify things, I have no sites with content, so fusker's existence has no monetary effect on me or my business.

But that doesn't mean that I'm going to support them or those associated with them, because in the end, thieves are thieves.

Suddenly, you need to get a grip. Six degrees of seperation, it is an important thing.

Adbrite is the arm of AVN which does these ads. They don't take fusker or GUBA in their magazine, nor have then taken booth space or sponsorship at their shows, etc.

Did you know that the company hosting yoru phone lines might also be hosting for gambling, or escort services, or hundreds of other potentially illegal or immoral businesses? Do you care?

Actually, many of those same sponsors are also sponsors here, so you better leave now and avoid get any of their sponsor cooties on your.

dumbass.

Alex

Rawalex, you need to get a grip. Six degrees of seperation, it is an important thing.

AVN which does these ads is the arm of Adbrite . They don't take fusker or GUBA in their magazine, nor have then taken booth space or sponsorship at their shows, etc.

Did you know that the company hosting yourlinklist might also be hosting for gambling, or escort services, or hundreds of other potentially illegal or immoral businesses? Do you care?

Actually, many of those same sponsors are also sponsors here, so you better leave now and avoid get any of their sponsor cooties on your.

dumbass.

Suddenlysex

Greenguy you do have sites that have tons of free photos that in the end click to a sponsor that pays you and those sponsors also advertise with AVN. You want surfers to find the photos on your site first before fusker so you can get the signup right? So again I better find out what fusker is doing? I gathered they where ripping images from link lists. If you don't get your money from your link list.... Then where?

Fusker hotlinks images from any domain that has adult content on it that's not properly protected & they display the stolen content on their pages.

Just visited fuskerer... Not only do they scrape images but scrape the source URL along with it and post the images and URLS on their URL. That is really fucked. I thought 86.com or good ol'american 89scraper 89.com was bad until I surfed fusskkere sites. It's fucked for sure.

neener-neener.

I see how that can totally take away bandwidth along with your site.

http://www.neenerneener.com/
That's all you can say and then promote your sig promoting what you bitch about Rawalex... Chit aint you a cartoon charater anyways?

Thanks Greenguy you enlighten me, don't understand your posters much though?

I get the impression that you are new to this interweb net thing. You argued until page 3 before even bothering to try to figure out what fusker was. There is a whole lot of enlightening that needs to be done here.

Adbrite is a joint venture between AVN and Pud (from fuckedcompany.com), using what appears to be software developed by Pud's side of things. I do no business with these people.

I also take no ads from AVN, and outside of paying them (occassionaly) for a badge to a show, I don't have any financial dealings with them.

No matter what I do in the adult business, I will be dealing with companies that deal with companies that deal with AVN. They are the big end of the stick in certain issues.

There is quite a huge difference between directly lining their pockets and dealing with people who deal with people yadda-yadda.

You are playing junior high debate techniques, which seems to about sum up there level of your understanding of the interwebnet connection computer thingie in front of you.

Alex

Suddenly, I lumped you into that group due to your comment about laughing all the way to the bank or something to that effect.

Yep, I'm sure if one digs hard enough...most sponsors/hosts do indeed have skeletons in their closets. Like Greenie, I try not to link to sites like Adbrite or those promoting them. But, I certainly don't have the time to dig too deeply.

You seem to have learned a few things about another segment of the business in this thread...knowledge is always a good thing. And if that newfound knowledge gives you pause to think about future business dealings, it's a very good thing indeed.

I thought Adbrite/AVN wasn't promoting them any more, no?
Is it just becasue they didn't drop them fast enough for you guys?
Please, let me know another service like Adbrite and I'll switch ASAP.

It isn't just because they didn't stop fast enough, but because they came up with a whole sack full of excuses about why they were on there to start with, and why they wouldn't turn it off.

I think people expect a company that is suppose to be an industry leader to be at least a little sensitive about things like theft and whatnot.

Alex

Not only that, they continue to do business with other such unscrupulous sites. It's pretty obvious they do little or no due diligence before approving accounts.

Ah, I see. If they were arguing to keep them there, then I can see that being a major problem.

I give in - you guys win - lol!

Who else has a service like adbrite?

tortus32 I posted earlier for you to try linkworth.com as your customers get a direct text link to their site from yours.

Rawalex you damn weirdo, Ive been in the adult business for a long time and has been my only job working for myself for 6 years now.
I wasn't trying to argue or debate. I was just trying to get a few questions answered which green guy was able to do. You guys made remarks that you don't do business with anyone that promotes AVNads but I see that you all do. You just kept throwing in your junior highschool remarks...neener neener

This post should rap up now...

Suddenly, if you had to have fusker explained to you in detail, I suspect that you don't have much experience in actually running sites with content on them. You came out swinging, and in the end, it turned out you were unarmed - except for maybe a "oh yeah, well you too!".

It's fine, whatever. If you are going to get uppity on something, at least come with some knowledge on the subject. Suddenly going "oh, really?" on page 3 is really quite funny, actually.

Alex

You have no clue.

Nope, I am a totally ignorant asshole. 10 years of this, and I don't have a fucking clue.

But I know what hotlinking is.

Alex

10 years? Then why are you posting bullshit comments??????
Hotlinking is another subject (nothing to do with Fuskerer). I did link lists and tgps 10 years ago.
Some of those sites are still strong but I hate the fact of giving away FREE PORN. I see you have keywords on the SE's... but it's bullshit to me cause your free link list is a sorry clone of every link list that I find.

Why don't you just build a site with content instead of your free bull.
Did you see that green guy's link 0 rama was and is being taken off of search engine results?

This is how you respond to people on this board?

Lets compare stats Rawalex. I make about $80 an hour and it's all on the internet. No advertisements anywhere but the NET.

You think you are the one to keep giving advise to? You have no clue AT ALL. Or prove it.

Huh? |huh

Huh Toby?

WHAT IS HOTLINKING AND BANDWIDTH THEFT?
Bandwidth theft or "hotlinking" is direct linking to a website's files (images, video, etc.). An example would be using an tag to display a JPEG image you found on someone else's web page so it will appear on your own site, journal, weblog, forum posting, etc.

Bandwidth refers to the amount of data transferred from a website to a user's computer. When you view a webpage, you are using that site's data transfer to display the files. Since web hosts charge based on the amount of data transferred, bandwidth is an issue. If a site is over it's monthly bandwidth, it's billed for the extra data or taken offline.

A simple analogy for bandwidth theft: Imagine a random stranger plugging into your electrical outlets, using your electricity without your consent, and you paying for it.

Fuskerer simply places all on their pages and no bandwidth loss to you. If you get fusckered it won't really matter unless your site is about promoting free porn...then you compete with them on who see's the free porn first??

lol lol and dbl lol, no further comments. oh yeah... except someone is guaranteed to have a small dick.

I was saying "huh?" because hotlinking is exactly what fusker is about. Take another look, those images aren't hosted on their servers.

Yanno Ms. $80/hour...for a moment there...I actually though you 'might' be a reasonable person who had learned a few things about another side of the biz in this thread. I stand corrected...now you're specifically trying to be a pain in the ass.

After Greenie was nice to you...you're gonna piss on the mans shoes...very smooth. You do deserve to be lumped in with the low morals...low ethics dumbasses.

Oh, and Ms. Genius who makes sooo much money on the net...fusker has everything to do with hotlinking.

You've done nothing except display your IMMENSE ignorance of multiple facets of this biz. You should just go away now while you are still able to safely wade through that big fucking pond of shit you're floating in. Even if you weren't so devastatingly ignorant, which you clearly are, you'd still be quite unlikeable.

I think you guys are wrong. I don't think Green Guy will bitch about me?

I learned more about fuskererer though. I thought they swiped your images and posted on their server.

I came here to learn and share, Not to bitch.

You all go ahead and keep posting the same images over and over on your clone link lists and I will leave now and promote adult services the way I do.

Peace OUT!

Welcome to the end of page 3 and you still don't have a clue. 75th post and you still are not getting it.

Nothing more to add, this has turned into a truly humorous thread.

Alex

Ok now he will bitch. Useless Warrior give the porn surfers a break and take down your sites. I have a weird feeling that you are nothing but a perv trying to get sign ups so you can email back to them. Chops Cash is a joke right?

Yeah people like Rawalex keep making stupid remarks so where does it end?

Great site you have going Rawalex...
Keep posting all of your free site linksters that promote all these sites all over the net
that promote what you bitch about? I really don't get it. DOUBLE standard. I f you cry about
fuskererer then why don't you do something about it? How about NOT promoting them?

You say you have been in this adult business for a long time too but you promote avnsites way more
than me.

You really do have a talent for sticking your foot in your mouth by babbling about things you know nothing about. You really should do more research before opening your pie hole and spewing crap.

Whether GG bitches about you or not...there are those of us here who actually respect the man and appreciate these forums he provides. Then there are those like you who go into a mans house and piss on his carpet.

Yep, I was right in my initial impression...you truly are an |asshole|

Nope, I would never piss on anyones carpet mrYum. I respect Green Guy. I look at your site and it looks like to me you are the one pissing on his site with your piss pore version trying to copy him.

I was only trying to understand why you say you do not do business with anyone that does AVNads when you do yourself. Like I said...GreenGuy made a point why it is just not that easy.

Why piss on me? You are the one trying to copy him not me.