You REALLY see how the same basic template structure is being re-used by looking at multiple free sites promoting the same paysite.

http://fetishpimp.com/free/redheaddreams/freesite1/
http://fetishpimp.com/free/redheaddreams/freesite2/
http://fetishpimp.com/free/redheaddreams/freesite3/
http://fetishpimp.com/free/redheaddreams/freesite4/
http://fetishpimp.com/free/redheaddreams/freesite5/

One of the greatest annoyances on those HOSTED FREE SITES (not free hosted sites) is the keyword stuffing of the thumbs' alt tags. It's pointless and, as I said, annoying.

One of the reasons I very rarely use HFSs is due to the fact that they quickly begin to look the same. If I can't add more than a couple of a sponsor's HFSs without seeing the same template, I simply don't bother. Some people seem to think that changing one graphic or the background color is enough to call it a new template. It's not. Think about the overall layout of the site.

ok lots of opinions .. |jackinthe

GG if I was to pick one issue with HFS (LOL) and HFG .. it would be really nice if sponsors provided the frame work for recip linking on these tools |club| should be very easy from them to provide us.

Uh Waz? Speaking as a sponsor...if you want freesites with recips on them...build the bloody things yourself. :)

Uh Lisa I built many sites for PMB .. and I remember when Bill sold it .. lost every recur within 30 days ..

Bill still owns PMB, but you're getting off topic.

Sponsors are providing HFS and/or FHG for your convenience. To expect recips on top of the provision of content and site building is just ridiculous, IMHO.

I remember when to make money in this business it was required that you worked...like any business, it required an input of both cash and time to see a reward. I miss those days...

Yes they are, and it was a conscious decicion to make them that way, both graphics and similarity. Just to save time to be honest. You wouldn't list those on your site because they're too similar in appearance?

The sites are not yet live as isn't my affiliateprogram version 2, so I still have time to shake things around. However I'd hate to just discard those sites and start from scratch, as even with the same template it took me quite a few days to make those all...

Hmmm.. why? I can remove them, but I'd like to know why.

I quite honestly thought it WAS enough. It IS enough when submitting GALLERIES.



Ah, woudn't know about that. I know one that I use FHG's with quite similar galleries, and one other sponsor to whom I made galleries for. But not sunnydollars, not sure if I've even seen a sunnydollars gallery..but a gallery can't get more basic than this.

so I'm sure there's quite a lot of galleries that looks pretty similar :)

Lisa I miss those days also :)
but these days .. from what I can see .. more investment is required to be successful .. with this comes larger demands.

1 - Do you want to download the HFS's, add recips & upload them to your server?
2 - Do you want to give the sponsor a bit of html coding so that it's inserted into the HFS so that when you link to it, there's a link back to you?
In either scenario, that'd be something the sponsor would have to approve or set up & like I said about the SE stuff, I'd rather concentrate on getting this large list of sponsors to correct their basic mistakes before we looked into what extra benefits could be added to HFS.

Also, what the fuck is a HFG? No one calls galleries "free galleries" It's HFS because the term that everyone uses for Free Sites is "Free Sites"

I might list a few, but like a lot of LL owners, I'd get tired of seeing the same template over & over & over.

You're not building/submitting galleries. Throw out most of the TGP/Gallery info you have, as it does not fit in with the LinkList/FreeSite model (and oddly enough, I think that most of the sponsors on this list have this exact same problem)

Well, I think I'll just keep these as they are, and make new ones that have more variety and aren't out of the same mold..just gotta pay my coder to separate these 'template'-sites and the new ones I'll make in my import tool...hopefully in time for my programs re-launch.

Why do you want to add recips? Are you trying to submit HFS with your link code to link lists? If so I think you are heading for a few blacklists. I rarely blacklist anyone, but my TGP blacklist is almost entirely people who shove sponsors hosted galleries in a frame or Iframe, with a few recips at the top.

NO NO NO NO NO! :D

Leave them in there. If you only have 4 using this template - and they're scattered across 4 different paysites - no one will care.

It's when you have 40 using this template & 10 for each paysite that LL owners will start to scratch their heads wondering why they've seen the site design before.

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I think there's a misunderstanding about templates as far as HFS (and free sites) goes and I'm probably responsible for that.

Templates are OK when used in moderation. Let me give you an example of how we build HFS:

A sponsor orders 30 HFS's for 3 paysites (10 per paysite) Let's say that I assign this work to 3 builders.

Builder 1 will be told to make 3 HFS for Site A using the same template, 3 HFS for Site B using a different template & 4 HFS for Site C using yet a different template.

Builder 2 will be told to make 4 HFS for Site A using the same template, 3 HFS for Site B using a different template & 3 HFS for Site C using yet a different template.

Builder 3 will be told to make 3 HFS for Site A using the same template, 4 HFS for Site B using a different template & 3 HFS for Site C using yet a different template.

Now what you have are 10 HFS for each paysite that use 3 different templates from 3 different people.

The next time the sponsors orders 30 HFS, I will pick 3 different builders, so once the order is complete, the sponsor has 20 HFS's for each paysite using 6 different templates from 6 different builders (or a total of 60 HFS's using 18 different templates from 6 different people)

Now that's a variety I think we can all handle |thumb

No one is saying that once you use a template, throw it out. Make a couple of sites, move it to the back of the list & use it again down the road.

Totally agreed - the ones that wont get listed are the 30 free sites using exactly the same template over and over for the same paysite
But then the sponsors that do that dont seem to care one way or the other - they can still "boast" that they provide the tools - its a shame because there are some good programs out there that do this and they would certainly get more sales/traffic if they would just listen

well on the dominant TGP board they are called FHG .. for obvious reasons LOL I put HFG .. seems to be a preference for that order around here.

Sorry if I sound angry, but that's another pet-peeve of mine - like it's some new brilliant marketing idea to put "free" in front of other words to make them sound more appealing.

Think of it this way, if you call them Free Hosted Galleries, then you'd have to also use "Free Hosted Free Sites" :D

Then you sir, are an idiot and have no idea what a blind link is. |waves|

thats a intelligent contribution Preacher .. well done |jester|

I've been looking thru lots of hosted free sites here lately to try and fill in my link list and have added quite a few, but frankly if these sites were submitted to me I probably would have declined 90% of them, and I havent even looked at any of the sponsors that greenie listed. I guess even the sponsor hosted free sites that are considered "good" dont even scratch the surface of what is submitted.

I guess for me this is both good and bad, irritating as hell that spoonsors cant (or just dont want to spend the time and or resources) make decent hosted free sites as a link list owner, but as a free site submitter its comforting to know that link lists in no time soon will be able to push submitters aside and list mainly hfs. I really think that for a program to do the hfs thing correctly they would need to hire a full time free site maker (fluent english speaking person, not some 3rd world slave that makes 200$ a month putting in 50 hour weeks) that is constantly building free sites at the rate of a couple to three unique sites a day.

This, from someone who doesn't understand the basic purpose of HFS and admits that he does not list them on his link list (even though he lists hosted gals on his TGP).
Why don't you sit back, relax, and leave the heavy lifting to those of us who know what we're talking about? We could probably stay on topic if you'd just |stfu|

hey Useless (fitting) .. I've engaged in debate .. I've articulated my point of view .. I have shared and learned with my peers .. what the fuck have you done? talk shit, be negative, with nothing of value to say except attack me .. Useless |asshole|

I have 3 joints and |popcorn|.

Let the games begin!|potleaf|

LOL! I'm out of smoke but I'm glad I stocked up on beer & pretzels ;)

Wow! I don't expect an explosion anytime soon because UW is so shy and nonconfrontive.|couch|
I have cashews and Mtn. Dew

He called Useless "useless" |haha |haha |haha |haha |haha

Hey we are in Key West throwing Wet T-shirt contests for Spring Break so I am on and offline this month and I just saw this now.

Honestly it is not like Tanker to say something is done when it is not. So possibly he misunderstood your criticisms. Either way thanks for bringing to my attention and I will try and make sure that they get brought up to standard.

E. |potleaf|

Pretty bad when "major" sponsors put money into having sites made and they don't even know the correct terminology for what they are paying for..

Ok and I know that's a bit on the petty side but it does speak to knowing ones marketing material before they are released.. and this one was on GG's original list.

my contribution to this thread as i do a drive by.. |dog