and the ones i wanted are off, but still 2 sites there but my boss have to send an email for that one and he will, still nice they fixed it very fast after answering my email.

I just dont like that my linksite is getting linked from a program for submitters without my permission, i get enough submissions, bad and good ones, but for me its al about getting linked there while i dont wanna be linked there:)

Hello all,

its Elmy from ChameleonSubmitter.com. I got the link to this thread from our support and I would like to contribute to the discussion as well as to react regarding to some things, that has been written here.

I would also love, if possible, to melt some "myths" about autosubmitters/explain how does our tool work.

1./ Being listed in Chameleon database means being absolutely flooded with submits (someone even talked about 6000 in a single day :) that are not respecting any rules, cheaters, etc.

This one thing can be safely disproved as our priority is exactly the other way around - our basic attitude is to respect individual site rules of different sites and our products have been built based on this rule.
Btw, its one of the main reasons why our users prefer our products in before other ones, which also tells a bit of story about what level our customers have, too..

And how come, that some kind of software can respect the site rules?

a) It is possible to set up all the individual site rules for all the sites in database. For all various rules out there, I can name a few as an example: number of accepted submits, accepted types of niches, accepted amount of pics/movies, hosting,.. etc..etc. All rules, that can possibly be set up and that are being considered by generating process can be reviewed on these screenshots: http://www.chameleonsubmitter.com/llscreenshots1.php

b) After our user fills in the info about his Free Site, it comes to Generate step that will generate Link List suitable for his submit. Generating is an automated process and its based on the principle of matching user's Free Site info with individual LL site rules. This is an important part of the process which guarantee that software will generate those Link Lists ONLY, where this actual Free Site can be submitted.

I will provide few examples: If my particular Free Site which I am trying to submit contains consoles, then all LL sites that don't allow consoles will be left out.
Or, if I am already sending my second Free Site in that same day, then those sites that accept 1 submission/day only won't be generated (if I have already sent my first Free Site in that day to them). Similarly, if I submit Gay site, all sites that don't accept such niche will be automatically skipped... etc., etc.

Please note, that the software is going to consider all the site rules that are set up in the database before any result sites will be generated, so the fact that any of you would receive for example 6000 submits/day is just impossible - not even talking about respecting the actual site rules or not.

All steps required for submit can be reviewed here: http://www.chameleonsubmitter.com/llscreenshots.php

2./ Every submission tool is an autosubmitter, it means some kind of automated script - which is just bad.

-> Chameleon LL Submitter is Manual Submitter as well as Auto Submitter. In order to be able to respect all the site rules, some sites are in need to be set up for Manual submit.

Manual submit takes its place in browser loaded windows, so it works the same way as doing a usual Manual hand submit. The only one, but important difference between these 2 actions would be in speed of the submit, as the particular fields in Chameleon LL Submitter are pre-filled. User however has chance to control the info, make sure that it's correct, eventually edit this info and then hand submit the form.
Finally I would like to mention the regular update of our database (several times/week). By the update site rules are being controlled and checked/updated including rules themselves, recips, forms, etc... Not only is this being done to please the users, but finally its good for LL owners as well.

Our goal is not to spam LL sites, but to offer an effective tool to serious adult webmasters that could be used for submitting their Free Sites to Link Lists.

The last but not the least, thanks to all for the comments - positive and also for those negative ones, all of those are somehow helping us to move forward and create products useful for all sides of this business.

If you have any needs, ideas, comments, etc, please feel free to e-mail them to support@chameleonsubmitter.com :)

...and one more thing, after we launched the promotion about Chameleon LL Submitter being released, we started to hear from many LL sites requesting to be included into the database. For this purpose, please use our Suggest form at http://www.chameleonsubmitter.com/suggest.php

uffff :)

Regards
Elmy

I just loved Chameleon LL Submitter.. bought my license yesterday and submited 2 free sites already, ALL in manual submit... I just cant see any problem with that.

I also own it ;) Right now I am tweaking their DB ..

what i find shit is, you put linksites there in your list who didnt ask to be there, but to fix that problem, we as a linksite owner have to email you to get removed, i dont think its right way to do that, i dont think you have a right to just ad a linksite to your list while you dont even know if the linksite owner wants that, but sure we as the onwer have to email you to get removed, why just dont send an email to the linksite owners and ask them if they wanna be on that list, i hate that i have to put time and work in something i didnt ask for.

well not problem if you checked the rules of the free site you submitted too, because believe me link o rama rules are different then the rules of the linksites i do, so why waist time on submitting that way because you will not get listed to all you submit too, while you think you get listed to all you submit too...................mmmmmmmmmm i know something is wrong here with what i say, but hell the ones who know me know what i am saying:D

They already have 300 LL in their database, which begs the question are their 300 LL worth submitting to?

Might be worth using if they can automate recips table - I find the most time consuming part of submitting is getting my recip tables correct and I only submitt to 58 at present. The actual submission process is a breeze and I do it manually.

Might be worth investigating from that angle.

I love the people with 3 & 11 posts backing this product :D

Bottom line for me is that no one asked if I wanted to be included & no one offered me money to be included (I'd have said no to both, but if you think about the latter, they're making money off having a Link List in their database, so why does the Link List not get a cut?)

And most importantly, the submitter can do is fill out the form by hand since that's the way we review them - by hand :)

(of course, we delete auto-submits automatically, so I guess it all works out in the end)

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Why do people pay Chameleon Submitter to submit sites manually if you can do that now for free?

What post count have to do with all? I'm in this biz since 2003.

LL Submitter is good because you can save the time of getting AAALLLL the recips by hand, just that. I dont do auto-submits at all, 100% in manual.

And then I ask again... whats the problem with manual submits with LL Submitter?

The main appeal of this software is not about the actual submission process. It's all about the recips. Link List recips can be a nightmare. Dead link lists, new categories, changing anchor text, etc. Every month I have to update my recip tables. That's why I only submit to 3-4 different categories.

If this software will handle that problem, it's worth the money. I can try a new category without spending an entire day building new recip tables. And it'll give me an opportunity to submit to new Link Lists that I normally wouldn't try because they're not on my current recip tables.

I agree, they should have asked before adding any LL to the database. But in terms of money, couldn't you profit by joining their affiliate program and telling your submitters they should use the software? You have a lot of submitters and with their continuing subscriptions there should be a healthy profit.

All that being said, I'm going to wait and see how things shake out before trying the submitter. I don't want to end up on anyone's blacklist. But I hope LL owners will give this software a chance. It looks like an excellent tool for freesite submitters.

the good thing is you will prolly be able to recognize the submits from this and be able to ban people quickly :D

No way every submitter user will add particular LL back manually ( some won't know about that particular LL, some will be lazy to do it etc etc..)

How come you will get worse submits if you won't have your LL in the submitter list?

How will you be able to recognize submits if they are submitted manually?

IMHO the most useful feature of this software is the fact that recip tables are automated and updated often so you know they are correct.

I don't see how you could use the automated submit facility anyway as most LL now have a password/ code that must be inputed before submitting.

Maybe they should come out with Chameleon Recip Builder because there's no way in hell I'm going to endorse or condone anything that has "submit" in it's title unless it's preceded by "manual" :)

It's very simple - and it's an age old problem. I'm sure that in the right hands, this program has all kinds of benefits for submitters & Link List owners. But if it's in the wrong hands, it's a nightmare for Link List owners.

Too many of the wrong hands end up owning things like this :(

sure, THE thing about this software is the recips thing.. you dont need to 'waste' one day just to get the recips... you do in a few seconds :)

Yes ... I have only 11 posts but I was registered in 2004. I am not active at this board but I read it a lot. Not everybody need needs to write 100 worthless post a day to pretend to be important ;) I raised my voice because I love chameleon and it makes my living. As simple as that

So then why act like some ignorant newbie fuck who doesn't realize that there has ALWAYS been a bad relationship between link sites and submission software? You can't treat site owners like schmucks for expressing their apprehension about being on that list, which doesn't even bother to link to the sites its naming, especially when you can't seem to comprehend WHY they feel apprehensive.

I break wind in your general direction.

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Now I understand your nickname. I had no idea that it is not allowed to present my opinion on this board. And my opinion is that you sentenced this software even before you have seen it or before you got any submits from it. I HAVE NOT ATACKED ANY LL OWNER. I am just not that kind of webmaster who consider each big guy as a sait and blindly follow all his attitudes (in hope to get listed on his LL)

Btw ... it seems that I will have 100 post until the end of this thread

I blow my nose at-a you

Chameleon LL Submitter isn't software that has been written last week and trying to be sold today. Chameleon products exist for about 7 years and during this period, we have been hearing and receiving requests from many Free Sites submitters who are submitting also to your Link List sites. They've been wondering when we are gonna do LL Submitter because software that would have database and would be regularly updated like for example Chameleon Submitter was not unfortunately here. So we gave our promise and said if there are gonna be enough people interested in something like this, we would do such a software. Advantage of LL Submitter is that this tool is being clear and easy to use, all is set up and ready, LL sites in the database are set according to their site rules, recips are being generated according to categories.. People are aware that using some old non-updated database in other submitters or submitting using Robo Form is not efficient. Submitters also know that the time that is going to be saved having someone who will be maintaining the database is better being invested into other things or further business development.

Preparing the software itself is a question of 1 month, but creating a database and setting every single site with its individual site rules took us more that 1 year. However, we have chosen to bring quality no matter how long its gonna take and tried to satisfy both LL owners and Free Sites submitters. We also believe that people finally will be satisfied while LL Submitter is a tool that has been prepared with kind help of some of those webmasters who send their Free Sites daily to you as well.

Now, speaking of frequently changing LL recips, and how they are generated. We are fairly familiar with the fact, how often are the recips on Link List sites being changed and how important is it for Link List site to have correct recip with correct category. Therefore several people in Chameleon Team browse the database on a daily basis and check whether something has been changed. All this is being done manually and thats why Chameleon LL Submitter can afford having a feature for auto-generating recips.
Naturally, this is only being done in regards to site rules of any individual LL site, so that Free Sites submitter won't need to spend time choosing 100's of recips because LL submitter can handle about 95% of them itself.

Of course, we are trying to be as fair as possible and everyone who will get in touch with us requesting removal of his site from LL database will naturally be removed. The question is, is this a good or bad step from the side of LL site owner?In my opinion, its a bad one, because site removal won't solve anything.

1. Removing your site, you will cut the possibility also for your own submitters to be able to submit to your sites. Some of these submitters have been helping us with creation of LL submitter and during the 1 year testing period, none of them would experience being banned or not being listed (for example Greenguy Link O'Rama, Smut Gremlins, PenisBot's Porn Links..etc...etc.). It just indicates that our LL database is well done and perfectly prepared.

2. Since the database is editable; there are some risks connected with incorrect set up of parameters as submitters will be forced to do our job themselves and on their own - trying to add those removed sites again. Our professional team knows how to set these sites up 100% according to their site rules.

3. Link List sites that are not included in our LL database are also giving up on receiving search engine rank, Google page rank, etc.. etc..

Fortunately, there were only few link list sites who wished removing from the database. Therefore I would like to thank to LL owners who are giving the chance to this project and I can promise, that we will be trying to cooperate in maximum possible way from our side.

Thank you also for the support to those people who have bought our LL Submitter from this thread and showed us their support, as well as we are very happy about the LL owners who have sent us their sites for database inclusion and positive e-mail feedback about our job.

THANKS A LOT.
Wish you all beautiful summer day. :)
Elmy

Wtf...I'll risk making some friends cranky (though that's certainly not my intention), and come out on the side of giving this a shot. I've already contacted the folks at Chameleon and asked them to ensure SOTI IS on their db as ready for submissions.

As a link site that could use an influx of fresh submitters, I figure there's not much downside to giving this a chance.

And having used Chameleon software in the past (for TGP submissions), it's damn fine software and always appeared to be kept very up to date. So, from this link list...I say bring em on Chameleon |thumb

Now then...just a touch of cya :D

Again, this post is in no way meant to ruffle any feathers. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and I greatly respect those of many of the posters in this thread. The sole purpose of this post is to make it known that I want more submitters and I'll take the time to filter through them for the good ones :)

That statement alone should tell most of the members of this board that these people have no clue what they're talking about.

Keep blowing smoke up everyone's ass while I keep reminding people that if you were serious about this project, you'd have contacted some of the bigger Link Lists out there about 12 months ago instead of after a thread like this was started.

As some of the webmasters pointed out, this software could give lot of spammy summits if it reaches in the wrong hands. But for the honest submitters it saves lot of time in adding recips and filling the forms.

I have used Chameleon TGP submitter in the past. They regularly check the TGP rules and update/delete TGP's in their data base.

My guess is that both LinkList owners and submitters who are using chameleon need not worry if your using full manual mode of this software. I think if the submitter is using the full manual mode LinkList owner can't even find it out because it works as just a form filler. If the linklist has added any new rule, the webmaster can find it on his browser and immediately make changes and submit or skip that linklist.

Like Linkster said, there are already similar submitter available. And if those submitters can't get through your linklist then Chameleon also will not be able to do that.

An if you are taking parters only submit, mention that on submit page so that only people with partner account will submit to you. Saves time for linklist owners and submitter.

Bottom line, this could help a honest webmaster to speed up submit process and concentrate more time on building quality sites. On the wrong hands it can produce spam.

If anyone is worried about submitters abusing the tool, why not make a database of your current trusted submitters and go partner only? Seems to be the only way to keep people in line these days.

That would do away with any new submitters you acquire. It's easier to just block submitters that don't follow the basic rules.

The nice thing I've noticed so far about the submitters I suspect to be using Chameleon is that they don't seem to argue about their rejections. I guess if you're not putting any effort into submitting, you don't feel all that bad about not getting listed. ;)