That's for our Hindu webmasters :D

But she's a non believer so how can she recognise anything about a religion? |huh

Hitler didn't do anything that any religion hasn't done in the past few 1000 years, he just did it in different ways.

Thank you, Simon, pretty much what you said :)

Ummmm, so you have to be a believer to recognize anything about a religion? Since when is that? Also, Judaism is a nationality, not just a religion. You opted to skip the lesson, so I won't go any deeper into that. Let's just say though that if you choose not to learn about things, might be a good idea not to debate them either...

If you decide to start learning after all, I highly recommend a few history books too.

The senseless slaughter of millions of people shouldn't be a believer/non-believer anything..it should be an affront to anyone with the slightest thread of human decency.

But wait long enough and next it will be obese people on cattle cars and taking us to "fat camps" so we can be reconditioned because hitler did it and 50+ years later, no one cares.

or people with brown eyes

or people with tattoos

or pornographers..because they have no family values anyway.

You need a hobby|thumb

I need to learn? |jester|

So you're saying that jews have never been involved in slaughter (mass murder, genocide) call it what you want?

Carefull how you answer that and be sure that you know before you do.

You are a contradiction to yourself as an atheist is some who does not believe or recognise religion, so how can you be an atheist and jewish??? |jester|

Please send whatever it is you're smoking. :D

Someone can be ethnically Jewish.. ever hear of Hebrew? Its a nationality just like any other. That doesn't mean they follow the religion part of it.

The religious kind seem to put out more. :D

Still doesn't explain tigemom taking offence to hitler, i know jewish people here that drive volkswagen beatles, look into the history of them.

10 million jews were slaughtered during WW2, god knows how many people were killed in bombings here.

In what way has hitler had a personal effect on tigermom?

None, just used to make a statement nothing more.

ok, I wasn't going to jump in here but my fingers have a life of their own :D

what if Tigermom, like me and like a lot of other people of Jewish descent, had ancestors and relatives that were killed as a direct result of hitler's actions - would that not affect that person? What if those people had lived, would they have raised their children differently, lived in different places? And in turn would those children have had different lives? And their children...all the way down to me. Would I have a different life than I have now if those relatives had lived instead of died?

The past always affects the present and the future.

By the way Simon, that was an interesting read, maybe this thread should end :D

PS - sorry this thread went so far downhill, SG!! :(

Did I really read that?

TigerMom, It’s not worth your breath – some people just don’t get it.

Ahhh the "what if", ok what if the raids on the heavy water plants had failed?
Remembering things like the berlin pact and hitler declaring war on the US, would any of us be here now??

What if the 1000's of bombs that destroyed london killing 10's of 1000's of people didn't happen?
What if coventry hadn't of been levelled by german bombers and 1000's of people hadn't of been killed?
What if millions of allied soldiers hadn't of been killed or wounded?

Do i take offence if hitler is mentioned?
Does anyone else anywhere take offence?

Seems not, so why do you? before our time was it not so how has it effected any of us, please explain?

Nah sorry, seems you don't get it, the fact of it is, people use a religion/race as an excuse to make a statement.

Yeah, I guess you're right.

I like how he's telling me about my own national identity and family history though, and that I can't be an atheist and Jewish. That, unlike the feeble Hitler joke, did make me laugh. A bitter laugh though.

Oh, and sorry Sheepguy! Didn't mean to hijack your thread, my friend!

Great reading Simon,

but seriously, what about a 'Chewy Christ' - cuz I'm hungry as hell!:D

I guess someone has to as it seems you're a little confused yourself.

The joke was on you not me. :D

Sure, darling, whatever you say. I'm glad we have such an expert on Judaism on the board as yourself. |bow|

I'm not an expert at all and don't take it personal either.

I take it you're in the US? if you have a passport, what does it say as your nationality and what does it say as your religion?

Why take it that I'm in the USA? My passport says Israel for nationality, so do the passport of Muslims and Christians and anyone else living in Israel. I don't think it specified religion anywhere. Same goes for ID cards. Under nationality there it says Jewish. Nothing about religion in it though.

Congrats on the 1000 posts again Sheepguy! :)

Congrats again SG! I'm still wondering what we get for 2K, 5K, etc. |huh

The point about the US is it's built on multicultural, if you were born in the US your identity is an american, whether or not your ancestry is from another country/culture.

You're right, it doesn't mention religion on passport as i just checked on mine but i'm sure it was asked when i filled the forms in.

It was just that anyone i've known being atheist have always stated that in religious qustions on forms.

So with that in mind, you are an israeli and you are an atheist, where does the jewish bit come in?

One last point on this, the jews that were murdered in WW2 were germans and european.
German people born and bread, their "Religion" was jewish. note "german" and "jewish".

Not israeli, not hebrew or any other nationality they were german.

Now why, someone who doesn't practise religion take offence?

I don't know why I'm bothering to post this, since I know that it'll fall of deaf ears. But I somehow cannot NOT post.

Bob, are you seriously asking why a Jew would take offense to your poor attempt at humor? Without even delving into your truly astounding depth of ignorance as to what Judaism is and who the Jewish people are, the joke itself was shit. It didn't make sense and wasn't at all funny. If it was at all clever, I'm betting that Tigermom would have seen the humor. She, like the rest of the atheists here, sees the humor in having a small statue of JC standing on her desk.

Read this: Ethnic Group

Now, are you really going to tell me that you can't at all understand why someone would be at least a little sensitive about another person making light of the systematic slaughter of their ancestors? Hitler aspired to wipe out the entire ethnic group. Ethnicity goes beyond religion or language or nationality. I think you are missing that very important point.

Well said!|thumb|thumb

He killed them for their religion as he did with many others who didn't fit his master plan, wasn't just jews, he wanted to wipe out anyone that didn't fit the master race plan (blonde, blue eyed).
As i said, they were german origin with jewish religious beliefs.



An atheist is someone who denounces religion, therefore this is someone claiming to be offended by an act against a religion!

Very well said UW and Thank You for saying it!

BTW - Wahoo to Sheepguy :D

Would anyone think hitler was of jewish decent? if you can't answer that then before anyone else comes in butt fucking, go read up some more!


Edit: i should learn from the people who say, never debate religion or politics on a public forum as there are too many people waiting around to jump in on the moral bandwagon with a transparent aim to score points.

What a classic fucking case. |jester|

I hate nazis.
I really don't like nazi apologists either.
I could bring up the gypsies here, 700,000 or so of them were slaughtered by Hitler because of their ethnicity, or I could bring up the handicapped, also slaughtered because they didn't fit that short impotent fuck's version of the Aryan master race, but why bother? There will always be some addled moron who will say something like "Hitler was good for the economy" or "He just took it a little too far".
When debating with nazi's or their apologists truth is useless, fists are the only language they understand. Which is why in my opinion WW2 was the only just war of the last century.

Here, here, I was going to stay out of this, but I have to agree with ShepGuy 100%. Fuck nazis!

Hitler was a decendant of a jewish grandfather who abused him as a child, he was a syphlitic bi sexual junkie who took out his own insecurities in the way of genocide.

So it wasn't only jews, gypsies and disabled, it was gays and many others that through his life he thought wronged him.

Obviously what UW stated about falling on deaf ears is true. I thanked him because of what he said, not to score points. If you think thanking UW or anyone else on this board is going to get you in their good graces you are highly confused.

It does not matter whether AH was Jewish or not. Just like it does not matter if someone is atheist or not. It is about the wiping out of entire ethnic groups or for their religious beliefs or not. So anyone can be offended by this.

I am a recovering catholic. I do not believe in organized religion. Here is the twist. I am married to a lovely Jewish woman whose family was there. Not in Germany like you keep mentioning, but in Poland. When he was reaching out to surrounding areas for clensing purposes. Only 12 of them escaped unharmed before the shit hit the fan. But unfortunately the rest of the village died, slauhtered in concentration camps, because they never thought AH would reach them. Yes, their family had their own village. Enough said.

See, I was thanking UW because I did not want to talk about this but I feel I needed to.

You have offended me, my wife and her family ...... Thank You

Don't mention it. |thumb