Holy shit, it's a freekin recip war.

It's BLIND.. 100% BLIND and deceptive... and as Dare's example shows so clearly, it's a fucking minefield...

additionally.. wether you think is blind or not... it is defintitely not a Linklist Recip, which is what the front table is for.... A recip is a recip.... not a keyword link.

It is time free site builders stood up for themselves and stopped letting LL's hijack your front pages, with spammy keywords... Look at the density of keywords on your front pages now, and you will see why your sites never rank for anything.. The only thing Penisbot should/could demand of you in a recip is the site name and possibly a tag line. It is not your job to supply them with keyword relevance or text.

Category recips was the start, of alot of bullshit crowding your front page with spammy keywords, now "they" want to crowd your page with NOTHING BUT spammy keywords...

I would never ask you to do it, and if sites start arriving with this sort of "recip" they will be declined.

A recip is a recip, not a SE spam ticket for greedy LL's

DD

I thought of something yesterday afternoon & I have updated my example - this is where we are headed:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/blindrecips.html

Extreme? You'd have thought that category recips were extreme 4 months before they were the norm as well.

That won't happen. It never happens. Free site submitters never stand up against the opinion of the big link lists. As long as their income is dependent upon getting listed, they aren't going to voice a contrary opinion. Who could blame them?

I've always wished that there more people like me in the business. We really need more honest, yet semi-self-destructive webmasters who are willing to state their opinion, despite the possibility of a thorough lashing.

I hope someone remembers to bookmark this thread so that the next time I'm called a sheep because I'm backing the opinion of GG or DD I can refer back to it.

That's the cleanest recip table I've seen in a long time. I may use that on my next free site.

As a LL owner I see no benefit from category recips and have been offering a non category recip for sometime now.

As a site builder I get wet thinking of going back to non category recips with just one link per recip and not having to go hunting down category recips each time I build for a new niche and having a site root page 20+ outgoing links that is mostly due to the recip table.

exactly. How can we bite the hands that feed us?? This sucks, it's like 2 family members fighting. You love them both, so how can you take sides?

I may just go back to the old gif/table recips, that seems easier than trying to tiptoe through this minefield.

They have their own opinion!

But every time, when they say something about your LL (LOR, DD, .. etc) they become banned or put on shame!
Why?
Because they are newbies, they did'n know something that you know, or they just can't speak "Fucking English" as good as you can?

Lots of webmasters can be proud, that they can speak free in several languages, and such envious and selfish cocksucker like Greenguy has no right to judge them, because they tried to write some attractive and long description for gallery!

My opinion is that GG is too heated with think, that he is the God in this industry, and his super weapon - BAN for every fucking reason, makes webmasters to keep their own oppinions with themselves!
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P.S.
About blind links:
Almost every LL have blind links at their recips like this:
"Indian Porn" , "Black Porn" "Free Porn" , "Teen Movies" .. etc
because if I wrote "Indian Porn" somewhere on my freesite and link it to Indian paysite full of indian free movie samples, this freesite will be declained by the most of you because of blind link.

So why "Indian Porn" can be written at recips, but on my freesite galleries can't be written?

For example the domain of linklist is 4000freepornmovies.com and the name is "4000 Free Porn Movies". It says nothing so surfer even if we honestly write the name of linklist in recip.

Speaking for myself (as a submitter) I really could care less. If I disagree with a link list rules I simply take them off my submit list. There are tons of link list and plenty of places to get traffic.

As far as grundic post I really dont think shit throwing is really necessary. Greenie and kit can both do whatever they want with their linklist. They are the ones who put the work into them. It's their business. Greenie could have just said,"I wont accept sites with those recips anymore", but he didn't. He opened it up for debate.It's not like kit and greenie hadn't disagreed before. I remember the debate over penisbot asking for recips to porninspector.

Kit I really do understand what your trying to do. But I think it's a short sighted plan. It probably would work for a while. But what happens when google changes it algorithm? And if freesites start using these recips google may start dropping freesites from their index for being spammy. Now that may not seem like a big deal but a couple a search engine hits to each of hundreds of freesites start to add up.

My point is that everyone-link list and submitters have to do whats best for their particular business model. Maybe the focus should be on building sites that make surfers want to bookmark and link to.

Just my1/2 cent worth.

If he would do that the other linklists would do the same with him.

fucking question... :)
i think "no" and voted for second variant

Because this is a very search engines related business, I will base many things on what Google (Yahoo, MSN) likes & doesn't like.

I can't find serious difference between "BlaBla Porn" and "Porn" in recips table. Nobody click on text recips. The poll results show that many webmasters on this board agree with my point.

I think also "NO" and I voted for this. And I got to say that no one else will submit free sites to GG-LLs if the problem between Kit and GG will not be solved. I submitted in this year about 400 free sites, about 250 was approved by penisbot and only ~70 by GG-LLs.

GG`s approved free sites given me traffic for about 2 month. Free Sites approved from penisbot are still working for me and got a lot of sign ups.

A question, where is the reason to submit sites to GG and give him a place in my recip-table? Think about this. Live in peace and let the people submit to you because without this people you are nothing.

"dont shit in your own well" ;)

p.s. sorry for new registration, i`m reading gg board since 2006. you can ban me, if my post does not like you. its IMHO ;)

Freesites already very spammy. Only TGP galleries is more spammy. Because of texts copying from one freesite to other. Not only recipe tables, but also all other texts.

Short $Keyword in reciprocal text is less spammy than long "MyLinkSite Free $Keyword Links".

Around one year ago I said: When Google decide that average freesite is a piece of spam, link sites business will ends. Looks like Google started to think so in 2007. I think so Not because I lost #1 "porn" position. Almost all link sites have been decreased in their SE rankings during this year.

Kit what would you think of a straight link to your index?Do it old school. Wouldn't that be the least spammy method?

I think it's just an another stupid reason for decline.
If you don't stop decline free sites with Penisbot's recips today, tomorrow you'll make free sites for LOR by yourself imho. "Extreme?"
PS Stop living your life based on what you THINK who you are. |king|
You are wrong.
Sorry for my English, but I think you has understood that I wished to tell.

What for you ask opinion of others if any more do not accept sites with these recips?

It should, any other way and its blind link, keyword spam that screws everyone

Now that's accurate enough.

But if you really believe this kit, you should reward webmasters who write unique changing text links. It's well known that it's easy for google to spot thousands of identical text links, and devalue them.

Your plan will only bring you a small short term advantage, then lead to an even faster and further collapse in the future.

But, about the immediate problem - How do you feel, kit, about people putting an unlinked "penisbot" in the text of the recip, so that it's not blind? Will your reviewers accept that? (excuse me if this has already been asked and answered)

I'd like to know too, please :)

Me too! AMF, I just submitted a site and because of this thread included an unlinked "penisbot" inthe recip.

Both LOR and Penisbot have provided me with consistant quality traffic...hope this all gets worked out soon.

I hope everything gets worked out... i have really enjoyed traffic from LOR, Penisbot and WetPlace

Thank you both for accepting my freesites

Kit doesn't seem to mind that at all. This is from his first post in this thread:
He isn't trying to make things more difficult on submitters. Also, his image based recips should fine to use since the images say Penisbot on them.

I don't think it's a blind link at all. I'm just a submitter though, and I just follow the rules of each LL's I submit to. |thumb

My original plan was just to swap out GG's recip so that it wouldn't be on the same table as PenisBot because the simplest solution is usually the best one.

However, after reading this thread I realized that all sorts of other link list owners are probably in some sort of a kafuffle about this now and may be declining for having PenisBot's recip on the same table as their own which is just plain stupid IMO.

Doing a little bit of Google searching I noticed that Penisbot comes up pretty regularly for all sorts of adult terms, but many of the other LL's I submit to did not show up even by the 20th SERP.

Anyway, my opinion for what it's worth is that the link is not at all blind, the surfer is going to get 'porn' regardless of which link they click on even in GG's nightmare scenario.

GG: I don't think that only linklist owners and reviewers are affected by this issue so that's why people with few posts are coming out to express their opinions and you shouldn't shit on them because of how many posts they have. I have been reading this board since 2005 and just because I only started posting recently shouldn't mean my opinion doesn't count.

Kit & GG:
If the only solution we can come to for now is an unlinked PenisBot please just tell us that's it. |peace|

I just updated the PenisBot recips Kit's way and to do it over again once will be enough time spent without the fear that I will have to re-do a third, fourth, fifth time until a permanent solution is agreed upon.

I want both your traffic |bow|

a bit late for me to answer this, but yep i see it as a blind link,i wanna say more about it, but i kow it will end in dutch chinese and i am running out of time now, no linksite name means blind to me.

This is very acceptable links: PenisBot's Porn

You think, thousands of such links "MyLinkList Free Porn Links" is not identical text links? The longer identical text patterns is more spammy.

I have my own views on this and I will try and abide by what rules are set forth for each individual LL - I just want to know why people are being recruited in to "testify" on this thread..I mean who the fuck is Nataly C and Adult Dream - both Dec 2007 registrants with 1 and 2 posts (all in this thread) I mean c'mon now. Next it will turn into "my mom will kick your moms ass"..neener neener neener..why cant everyone just agree to disagree on certain points. - My suggestion is if you cant make certain LL owners happy with one type of recip table, then post the two on seperate sites and call it good.

I think it's pretty much exactly the same. The length of the text doesn't matter, it's the fact that it's easy for google to see that thousands of identical strings of text are being used as the anchor text.

That indicates an un-natural linking pattern, one that we know google is watching.

I'm not saying there is an easy solution, just that insisting that everyone use the exact same links all the time is a dead end. And you should figure out a way to get more variety in the anchor text of recips.

That's such a moronic statement that I'm not even going to address it. No one gets banned because of their opinion.

Thank you very much, person with 2 posts that registered yesterday |thumb

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Please stop thinking this is a "greenguy vs kit" problem - if you read thru the entire thread, you'll see where I say that I've seen other LL's doing this as well. You'll also see where other people have seen the same thing & even wondered when this topic would come up.

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Little known fact: I have a shitload of rules that I want to put into place that all BENEFIT the submitter, but I was sorta talked out of it because whatever I do effects other Link Lists. This can be proved by looking at the last time I changed my rules & the mess that caused.

I may put these rules into place just to prove once & for all that I do actually care about my submitters. Trust me, the news rules will let submitters bend & even break what Free Site submitters have been told are absolute No-No's due to a few bad apples.

Kit - one question: Is this recip table OK with you?
http://www.greenguysboard.com/blindrecips.html

I'm not Kit, but I want to say my opinion. The recip table in your example is too extreme. You use the same keywords for all linklists. If you use different keywords then it's ok.

I personally think that it's impossible to have recips without blind links. The domain says nothing to surfers, it's name is already blind link. Sometimes the domain is so long that you can't put it into the recip table.

If you're trying to imrove this business then you'd better think about the structure of freesites. Surfers don't need warning page, they don't read warning messages.

Why is that extreme? That's 16 versions of Kit's recip. 1 is ok, but 16 isn't?

How many are ok? 4? 8? 12?

Am I getting my point across at all?

One recip is "Cumshot Porn", another one is "Sucking sluts"... I'm sure that the most part of linklist owners would be happy if webmasters use different keywords for their category recips each time.

I do not agree with that statement. The surfer might not but the submitter does. I just pulled my spread sheet out to verify where my freesite sales were coming from and here is the breakdown:
48% warning page - 35% main page - 17% galleries
Every page is a chance to sell the surfer and if most of my sales are coming from the warning page they are obviously reading it.

I feel if a freesite builder cannot sell on the warning page then they should improve their building skills or just submit to tgp's. Just my opinion.

I agree, the submitters job is to get the surfer to the sponsor as soon as possible. Warning page and main page provide the best opportunities to do that. Without those a free site is no more than a TGP gallery.

As for the question at hand is such a recip link blind or not. Speaking as a submitter and not a link list owner I dont really care either way. To me it's just a link I have to include on my site to get accepted - it makes little odds to us.

What I dont like to see is that it seems submitters are having to make choices between link-o-rama or penisbot but not both in the same recip table. That can't be good for either party and to be honest as a submitter I will always side with the site that sends me the most traffic.

It's crystal clear mate.. and more people should see it... !


Cleo's post on the first page was the scariest one... All it needs is a few of us to ask for


and it's all over for free sites, linklists and half the biz... because TGPs will be the next ones to take it up...

This is what is coming.. if "we" follow this path..

http://www.dangerdave.com.au/blindrecips2.htm


DD

A little off topic..

Useless stat with ratios and more... ( if you are converting 48% at the warning page but your ratio is 1:10,565,464,646 then it means nothing.. and vice versa, if it's 1:20 and the galleries... the warning page argument falls apart.)

Additionally.. what are you building galleries for? Why not just build 4,532,435,535,534 warning pages..??


Not true, that is just an opinion...

(As is the following) The "job" was/is to get the surfer primed to buy... so sending them from the warning page or "as fast as possible" is flawed. Galleries are there to be used to get the surfer interested in the product you are selling.

If warning pages were king, we would allow blind links, and have fucking big ones right at the top.

DD