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Jim 2008-02-05 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by [BV] (Post 387580)
What do you think your readers would think if they came here knowing that every add here was specifically endorsed by you rather than just selling adds to anyone that can afford to pay the toll?

That part is a little offensive. We turn down sponsors weekly because of bad dealings we have heard of. We have also gotten rid of sponsors for treating webmasters poorly. And getting rid of sponsors costs a huge amount of money if you add up the refund and the amount of potential future earnings.

Don't think that we would ever allow a program to be a sponsor just because they offer money. Scumbags need not apply. You must be thinking of someplace else.

Toby 2008-02-05 10:56 AM

Confucius say, "When in over your head, quit digging."

[BV] 2008-02-05 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by GonZo (Post 387578)
I asked you since you were making the stink not Fox news.

If you werent trolling for some cheap ads maybe you have a litle resource envy then?

I think its a pretty lame question to ask on a free forum from 2 gents that have been around a long time and have helped out a number of us over the years [I registered my first domain in '93] and asked for nothing in return.

Im sorry you think my logic is flawed. Id be willing to bet that many of us feel that the best sponsors are the ones that send the largest checks. I can read Green Guys stats for myself. Hes posted them for years. I asked you what does your average webmaster make... I guess you are unwilling to answer that. So sad.

I wasnt trying for anything though. See Im not much for porn conspiracies or the man keeping fat fucking nobodies down.

Maybe Ive gotten sensative but I thought it was pretty rude to come into this free forum and ask questions that looked like they were made to put Mark and Jim in a bad light. I consider them to be some of the few HONEST people in this business with some integrity left.

If you dont want to look like a troll or a freeloader then maybe you shouldnt act like one.

Im sorry this thread isnt getting you the kind of response that maybe you hoped for but Im sure everyone appreciates the schooling on how a perfect webmaster forum shoud be ran.

I answered your question concerning what my average webmaster makes. It's not much. I'm not sure how to gauge what an average webmaster makes. That's why I asked you what "average" is. I figured simply telling you what GG makes would give you that answer. Because he is definitely above average IMO, but because he sends traffic to many many sponsors his average checks from each are not going to be big.

On BVCash my best affiliate made 1750.30 last month and my worst made 1.48. With a total of 2509 affiliates. You do the math how you see fit.

You theory is flawed. You biggest check will be the sponsor that you send the most traffic too. If you send 10,000 clicks to sponsor A and and your check is $100.00, and you send 1000 clicks to sponsor B and your check is $10.00, by your theory sponsor A is better. That's retarded thinking.

I know GG & Jim are good people. That's not in dispute. They help people yes. This forum helps people. Not single handily though. Many people on this forum help people. Even me.

You have completely missed the whole concept here. Sorry.


Cheers,
BV

[BV] 2008-02-05 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim (Post 387583)
That part is a little offensive. We turn down sponsors weekly because of bad dealings we have heard of. We have also gotten rid of sponsors for treating webmasters poorly. And getting rid of sponsors costs a huge amount of money if you add up the refund and the amount of potential future earnings.

Don't think that we would ever allow a program to be a sponsor just because they offer money. Scumbags need not apply. You must be thinking of someplace else.

That was not my intention, sorry, I know you have canned some add sponsors. I remember.

But you do see my point right?

Semantics aside.

Do you promote and make sales with every sponsor that buys adds here?

That's the point I was trying to make.

GonZo 2008-02-05 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by [BV] (Post 387587)
You theory is flawed. You biggest check will be the sponsor that you send the most traffic too. If you send 10,000 clicks to sponsor A and and your check is $100.00, and you send 1000 clicks to sponsor B and your check is $10.00, by your theory sponsor A is better. That's retarded thinking.

Im not the one trolling for a cheap or free ad so I can see why youve had to start calling names now.

Im glad you keep responding though - you keep making your own case!

Youd think after 10 years you would get it.

GonZo 2008-02-05 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim (Post 387582)
Thanks Gonzo...
If every source of information in the world did not have the same business model, I might have gotten a little offended. :)

Part of the problem seems to be a poor choice of words. Starting with the work "censor". As I said, it doesn't apply. And then Greenie's analogy using "FOX" because of the Superbowl. His beer comparison was good. I didn't see our local brewery in any of the Superbowl commercials but I don't believe they feel slighted or "censored". But instead of using "FOX", he could have used NBC, CBS, BBC, CW or any television network.

Ive always enjoyed reading these grand conspracy therories that people think are contrived by board owners.

Whens the next double secret meeting so we can all decide which programs we want to push and which ones to censor for 2008?

|pokefun|

[BV] 2008-02-05 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Toby (Post 387584)
Confucius say, "When in over your head, quit digging."


If you're referring to me, I am just answering questions that are asked of me at this point.

|waves|

Toby 2008-02-05 11:28 AM

I hope you have a long ladder down there, that hole must be getting pretty deep. |waves|

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Originally Posted by [BV] (Post 387595)
If you're referring to me, I am just answering questions that are asked of me at this point.

|waves|


[BV] 2008-02-05 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GonZo (Post 387592)
Im not the one trolling for a cheap or free ad so I can see why youve had to start calling names now.

Im glad you keep responding though - you keep making your own case!

Youd think after 10 years you would get it.


Whatever you say GonZo. You know you made a statement that is inaccurate. Your biggest sponsor check does not automatically equal your best sponsor.

You want to start a thread about just that topic? Prove me wrong?

[BV] 2008-02-05 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Toby (Post 387598)
I hope you have a long ladder down there, that hole must be getting pretty deep. |waves|

Put your pom poms down and contribute something already.

GonZo 2008-02-05 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by [BV] (Post 387600)
Whatever you say GonZo. You know you made a statement that is inaccurate. Your biggest sponsor check does not automatically equal your best sponsor.

You want to start a thread about just that topic? Prove me wrong?

You must not get many checks. Or maybe your have a different business plan. Im do this to make money. I dont count clicks I cash checks and assure you the sponsor that gives me the biggest one certainly is my best one!

I want to start another thread alright but Im a guest here.

Toby 2008-02-05 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by [BV] (Post 387602)
Put your pom poms down and contribute something already.

Contribute something? ROFL. I'll put my post history up against yours any day.

I think maybe it's time to start filling in that hole. You may want to climb out first.

Haven't you got some young girls in bikinis to go photograph?

Jim 2008-02-05 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by [BV] (Post 387591)
That was not my intention, sorry, I know you have canned some add sponsors. I remember.

But you do see my point right?

Semantics aside.

Do you promote and make sales with every sponsor that buys adds here?

That's the point I was trying to make.

A little known fact is we have a master list that we go by when we consider a new advertiser. That list came from Greenie's stats. And, if I decide to have a sponsor that is not on that list that we don't know about, the first thing that happens is Greenie signs up and gives them a good try.

We learned and were told a long time ago that the sponsors on GGandJ are thought to be endorsed by us. We take that very seriously.

[BV] 2008-02-05 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by GonZo (Post 387603)
You must not get many checks. Or maybe your have a different business plan. Im do this to make money. I dont count clicks I cash checks and assure you the sponsor that gives me the biggest one certainly is my best one!

I want to start another thread alright but Im a guest here.

You're right I don't get many checks. I get wire transfers from ccbill and paycom. My CCBill wires are always larger because they process most of my affiliates sales.

That doesen't make CCBill better than Paycom now does it?

Of course not.

I don't promote any other sponsors. 99% of my traffic is my affiliates traffic to my revshare programs and I don't have any traffic leaks inside or out to send to other sponsors. Sorry.

[BV] 2008-02-05 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim (Post 387606)
A little known fact is we have a master list that we go by when we consider a new advertiser. That list came from Greenie's stats. And, if I decide to have a sponsor that is not on that list that we don't know about, the first thing that happens is Greenie signs up and gives them a good try.

We learned and were told a long time ago that the sponsors on GGandJ are thought to be endorsed by us. We take that very seriously.


Well Kudos to you! Impressive! You should make that a "Well Known Fact"

I think that's a very important fact that should be advertised.

[BV] 2008-02-05 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby (Post 387605)
Contribute something? ROFL. I'll put my post history up against yours any day.

I think maybe it's time to start filling in that hole. You may want to climb out first.

Haven't you got some young girls in bikinis to go photograph?


I don't photograph young girls, in fact i don't even use the word young in any of my sales blurbs. To me young girls means underage.

So you can go fuck yourself with that comment.

But right now, no, I am not shooting anything, a tad bit too cold still here.

However I am about leave and go have lunch with a nice looking 30 yo.


TTL |waves|

Toby 2008-02-05 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by [BV] (Post 387610)
I don't photograph young girls, in fact i don't even use the word young in any of my sales blurbs. To me young girls means underage.

So you can go fuck yourself with that comment.

I made the comment deliberately, to make a point. You've made comments in this thread, starting with the very first post, that are just as slanted.

[BV] 2008-02-05 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby (Post 387613)
I made the comment deliberately, to make a point. You've made comments in this thread, starting with the very first post, that are just as slanted.

So if someone here has an opinion you don't agree with you accuse them of shooting underage girls? |crazy|

Is that what your saying?

That's a pretty strong accusation. You would be banned if I were running this place.

Welcome to my ignore list.

|waves|

Toby 2008-02-05 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by [BV] (Post 387662)
So if someone here has an opinion you don't agree with you accuse them of shooting underage girls? |crazy|

Is that what your saying?

That's a pretty strong accusation. You would be banned if I were running this place.

Welcome to my ignore list.

|waves|

Hey asswipe, I didn't accuse you of anything. My statement was no more accusatory than statements you've made in this thread.

Wake up and smell the coffee. |badafro|

Jim 2008-02-06 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by [BV] (Post 387608)
Well Kudos to you! Impressive! You should make that a "Well Known Fact"

I think that's a very important fact that should be advertised.

As I said, most people assume that if a sponsor is on GGandJ, they have our approval. There really isn't a reason to advertise it.

Greenguy 2008-02-06 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim (Post 387743)
As I said, most people assume that if a sponsor is on GGandJ, they have our approval. There really isn't a reason to advertise it.

Shame on us for actually endorsing/supporting our sponsors & shame on us for having a legit message board community where people help each other out.

That's what you get when you assume that money talks & people only post to get their sig file seen |thumb

GonZo 2008-02-06 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim (Post 387743)
As I said, most people assume that if a sponsor is on GGandJ, they have our approval. There really isn't a reason to advertise it.

I know if I ran a webmaster forum this is how I would do it. . .|catfight|

GonZo 2008-02-06 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenie (Post 387752)
Shame on us for actually endorsing/supporting our sponsors & shame on us for having a legit message board community where people help each other out.

That's what you get when you assume that money talks & people only post to get their sig file seen |thumb

Thanks for continuing to do legit business when so many others will not.

It will get worse. So many celebrity reps now posting for a job while many programs quietly shut down.

Twiceshy 2008-02-06 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenie (Post 387752)
Shame on us for actually endorsing/supporting our sponsors & shame on us for having a legit message board community where people help each other out.
|thumb

All i know is i love this place im not a big poster but i do know when im looking for a sponsor i always check here because GG and Jim take the time to check out the sponsors they endorse and use :) I guess the best sponsor to me will always be the one who is paying me the most just makes sence to me. just my 2 cents worth lol not that its worth much :P

GG and Jim keep up the Fantastic work |thumb

Greenguy 2008-02-06 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GonZo (Post 387766)
I know if I ran a webmaster forum this is how I would do it. . .|catfight|

Imagine how tacky it'd look if we did do that.

I'm |greenguy| & I'm |Jim & we approve of PROGRAM |thumb

|buddy|

GonZo 2008-02-06 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenie (Post 387804)
Imagine how tacky it'd look if we did do that.

I'm |greenguy| & I'm |Jim & we approve of PROGRAM |thumb

|buddy|

I couldnt find a piss smiley.

You can name one after me if you want.

Or call it |Oprano

Greenguy 2008-02-06 04:36 PM

Yellow doesn't show up too well on this background :(

|pissleft|
|pissright

GonZo 2008-02-07 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenie (Post 387819)
Yellow doesn't show up too well on this background :(

|pissleft|
|pissright

Hell yes!
Not one but 2!

You guys do love me!


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