I can. That's part of why I'll stand by my idea that sites like The Hun (as you mentioned) and some earlier versions of the bigger LLs are closer to my idea of what an ideal Link List could be like.

In this forum we all have very preconceived ideas of what the term "Link List" means. But if we can push those away for a minute and consider that to a surfer those two words might seem to indicate that it would be a list of links. Exactly that, a list of links, and maybe not much more at all.

So maybe give them what the name might lead them to expect.

Maybe simplicity of design along with links that are actually of value to the surfer would make something worth saving and sharing.

Simple, clean, valuable...list of links.

And probably should use some responsive design techniques to make it easily available to all devices.

Yeah, I am not even thinking of anything at all link list-like at this point. I like free site submitters, even if I think they're nuts, that's probably the only reason I tend to cling to the concept of the link list. I prefer to see gallery submissions and the types of pages you submit. At the same time, as you know, I have always tried to break away from the simple definition of a link list. Link lists, to me, are boring as fuck. They lack visual appeal. I am searching for a feature that will make them bookmark-able on the modern ever-changing Net.

Yeah and in a traditional sense that's true, but if link lists never were invented until today I don't really think they would be all that similar to what we know as link lists today.

After all, link lists came before social media, mobile browsing, and tube sites. Plus back than I don't think Google looked at the higher number of outgoing links in such a negative way. I could be wrong about this one, but I don't think I am.

I have never heard of this, but I like the concept. Seems like no matter what new technology comes along the website will be ready for it.



I personally tend to lean towards the simple side of things when designing my own stuff, but I do think something of a social media style would be quite cool and could work well.

So how would you do design tests to test these various models?

UW... have you seen the hosted tubes? check my sig free porn buddy. 100% hands-free... just promote.

That's far too easy. I enjoy the struggle and eventual defeat of creating my own sites. Though I do have a really good domain I could use for a hosted tube. |thumb

My tests involve duct taping a bunch of scripts together, then setting it free. Which is to say, I don't test. I just launch. You know, there's a reason I'm not a great success story, and it's not due to my excellent planning and organizational skills.

there was a time when you could throw anything up and make money off it.

now, we are like fish trapped in a shrinking pond - and the pond will be gone in a few more years.

some of us will specialize in taking what we can from the pools left as the water vanishes. most will die. then the ones left in the isolated pools will die.

if any of us want to survive, we are going to have to get smarter fast.

it's obvious to me how you would test it, even tho I don't beleive in any of the models offered so far.

haha. It really is easy... and to me, this type of site is very bookmarkable and with a good domain, brandable. They even give you enough control to control some of the on page seo stuff. |potleaf|

This came out today - and seems somehow very relevant to this discussion. But I'm a netsam freek, so of course I would think that... and who doesn't like a good Der Untergang mashup?

YOU AREN'T TALKING ABOUT A LINK LIST!
































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We knew you'd say that.

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lets see, what other directions could you go?

The whole freesite concept is based in a model of minor-protection, a concept that has been pretty much completely dumped by society, except among republican candidates. The anachronistic "warning page". Hell, thats why I settled on freesites, originally, I was concerned that the gummit might crack down and arrest people - it was coincidental that freesites provided a good selling platform.

Lol, I'm such a sucker, I still think minor-protection is a good idea. Thats probably why I'm doomed to die in this fucking stagnant pond.

But I think we have to look at the content - linklists link to freesites - it's a partnership - so what would teh new "not a linklist" link to, if anything? What is the content?

Hmmm - on second thought - you don't really want to link to things, you just want things to link to you - so in one possible future the new not-linklist needs to be a linkbait factory, basically.

But, that pretty much destroys the partnership model of the linklist and all pretube traffic systems. Which is the trend anyway - so again we all here die in this stinking bone-clogged pond.

Well, it's pretty clear what you need, then.

Everything revolves around one thing - the revenue models.

First you tackle the revenue models. Then, the traffic will take care of itself, attracted by revenue.

I wonder how hard it is to convert a fixed width style template to a responsive one? I gather it's a bit more complex than using the fluid designs that have been around for some time.

The only reason I'd even consider using responsive design techniques like CSS3's media queries would be for a site like I was advocating in my earlier posts in this thread. A very simple, mostly text-based site with some very minor graphic elements.

Without going into a full blown "responsive design" you could accomplish quite a bit by changing your css from px to em. I just seen a video that explained how it works in a typography lesson. Right now, I'd confuse all of us trying to explain it but if your interested I can find it again. :)

If someone is looking for a free social bookmarking / linklist 2.0 script/platform http://sourceforge.net/projects/scuttle/ is a good start.

If you run across it, send it my way. I know about 'liquid' and 'elastic' design, but have always used fixed width due to the nature of adult sites which use a lot of images. The full blown 'responsive' design, as I understand it, uses css3 and allows images to scale.

May be a good topic in a different section…

And there's the rub. On large desktop or notebook computers you can use larger images with larger file sizes. Scaling them means those big image files are all still being sent to the netbook, tablet and smartphone users. Really bad idea.

Plus there's the whole navigation issue, with mobile devices offering touch screens and losing all hover and mouseover usage.

Liquid is about all you can do with most adult sites since most pages have images or graphics of some kind.

Sites that are mostly text...or that are designed first for mobile users (netbook, tablet and smartphone)...are the ones that could benefit most from responsive design techniques.

Here's something worth taking the time to read if you're thinking of putting in the work to create a responsive site:

11 Reasons why Responsive Design isn't that cool

I just sent you a pm with all the info. ;)

+ I suppose if you make a links list responsive - you are still linking to unresponsive free sites... so in essence - you are making it easier to annoy people :)

Thanks!

OK OK , I have new script
http://pligg.com/
who is going to create a SALL > socialadultlinklist

I've been looking at that one |bananna||bananna|

I messed around with Pligg a little bit. Seems like it could make itself useful, but I've only used it a little so I guess time would tell.

Lets see - a "new not-linklist" would need features like this.

It would have to remove or seriously reduce the reviewing process. The ideal is that every link submitted would be automatically accepted and posted. Profits are too low to expect either the labor cost on the review side or the rejection cost on the content assembly side to be born - it has to be cheaper for everyone.

Along that same line - it should be as low labor as possible.

It would have to be acceptable to the existing linklists as a legitimate recip. That shouldn't be hard.

It should reward assembler effort and profitability in some way. It might work if it delivers content in a more entertaining way than the tubes, with more text for the spiders. (a huffpo kind of thing, but for porn).

Along that same line, it would work best if it had a revenue sharing and spider-attraction rewards system. Like, say, users get free time in paysites, and content creators earn money or, worse case say, points, symbolic money that can be redeemed - one hopes. And whoever creates text that gets spidered gets points.

Some challenging scripting there - but scripting is not the huge obstacle it was some years back.

How about instead of being a link farm you host ALL of the free sites on your domain.

Set up hosting logins for 10 of your friends or trusted submitters, each with their own section. So when Bill logs in via FTP it's linklistname.com/bill as an example. And you as the link list owner host every single site they submit. You gain hundreds, maybe 1000's of internal content and pages and in essence content so google should like you more.

And if a webmaster goes offline you don't don't have a bunch of sites going 404.

Thats brilliant Ram - obvious in retrospect, I shoulda thought of that one too - I was mostly thinking of text content, but why not have the assembled content all there in that "huffpo of porn" structure too?

In the old days the content licensing might have made that forwned upon, but the model of content licensing these days is very different, in attitude at least.

Increase in-domain surfer stickiness and time spent at the domain, get around the google algo - brilliant.

I actually have an idea for a link list that I think could bring huge money in.. its really out of the box.. .. but its a long term plan to monetize it . I dont have the time to do it .. I started it.... but each category turns into a full time job.

Dude - nice to see ya, man.

Yes, if you want to create a "huffpo of porn" effect, a single domain with a ton of content on it, it would need to be a "'crowd" effort. No single person could do it.

I have been thinking about this a fair amount myself, and it's pretty clear it would be a huge amount of work.

So, if you decide to go in that direction, you have to figure out a way to get teams of people to work together. Some kind of revenue sharing is the most likely way to accomplish that.

The old linklist model was also a kind of revenue sharing.

Hey Bill :)

There is little reason to use a directory for Free Porn anymore. if your gonna do a directory or "link list" you need to stay in areas that people need and use directorys

A lot of reading in this thread... I skimmed through it.

I always thought that having a LL where users could rate and comment about the links would be good. Users can over at my tube but never do so I guess not. Still it would be something that I would try if I had the time and the desire to spend hours getting a new script up and running.

Surfers want quick access to what they are looking for.

I've had rating and commenting at Perv forever. Hardly anyone comments. Those who do, leave weird, sometimes sick comments. Not difficult to police though. The people who use the rating system (1-10 stars) almost always rate free sites really low.

I think the perfect thing to link to, for both surfers and SE's, is a hybrid gallery. You'd have a full text blog post on one side of the page and thumbnails on the other. Or any combination of heavy text and images. The SE's would get their text content and surfers would get their visual content without having to go through page after page to find it. The free site might be the biggest weakness in the link list game. We link to an index page with 3 ads, 12-20 recip links, and little to no page content. There's no balance between links out and content.

Do you guys think merging a tube and a linklist is a good idea? I know it's not a new idea, but if it were done right with say a row of tube videos and a section of links in the same niche below it with a heading like "more blowjob FREE sites"...I've kicked it around, thought about doing a test page.

If done then I would say a tube as a subcategory not a free-sites below. First of all you would loose the submitters because nobody would scroll down to those submitted links. Other thing is I would rather allow for submitters to submit this tube pages.