Thank goodness for people like Natalie, Useless Warrior, and Mr Yum who are willing to call bullshit.

Like Cleo, I draw a line between sites that present chicks as tipsy and uninhibited vs. drunk out of their minds (or passed out) and oblivious. Unfortunately, it seems many (if not most) submitters don't draw that line, so I've more or less banned that content.

Yes, porn is fantasy. But the only way we can even begin to defend our industry is if we choose to ensure that fantasy involves consenting adults. Period.

Fido, I appreciate your post and I think I understand what you're coming from. I just feel that type of fantasy is better served by the written word, where realities and motivations can be addressed. In my opinion, a picture gallery can't be justified as "free speech" if it does nothing more than depict a crime, in a positive framework.

Mishi, I am sorry, but I can not find that line you are talking about between the site what started this thread and BDSM sites listed at your LL, with descriptions like "Kidnapped slave girl is tied and gagged in ropes" or "Pussy punishment of poor beautiful girl in bondage". These does not sound very consensual to me. I am asking, where do you see such a difference to say this one will be banned and the second ones listed? If I would use UW's words I can talk about kidnapped girls who were held long months and even years by sick bastards. I will not do it. There is no doubt that rape and kidnapping are the worst crimes, even worse than murder in some cases. But these free sites are about sexual fantasies that normal healthy people have (proven fact) so I see no reason to ban them.

From my point of view I found much more harmful pregnant niche and I am seriously thinking to remove it from my LL.

I did hear you whisper "It's not gay if you don't push back" so I was awake :D

i dont think i wanna know the story behind that :D

Damn, now I'm going to have this image of Jim's thumb up Greenie's ass as he whispers in his ear. :(

why did you had to tell that........... :D i am blind now

What is even worse is I've always thought that Jim's avatar looks like a thumb with a face.

hahahahah oke i bett ya all are now looking at Jims avatar :D btw i just checked myself........it is |dizzy|

Guess the real question is does Greenguy ask Jim to give him some face when he visits.

no no no dont say that because now i have an totally different image in my head..............stu <---- thinking needs to think of funny things now |cry|

Be sure to add in Jim's whiskey & cigarette breath on the back of my neck :D

I may have to take an ice pick to my brain

Fido,

I get where you're coming from - I really do. This is not a simple topic and we can't find simple answers. I don't know if we can find ANY answers. I just hope we can all keep the topic open for discussion.

I pay close attention to the content and descriptions of the bondage and BDSM sites I receive. BDSM involves totally consensual power transference, and that's a known in the BDSM community. I recognize that people outside of the community may not realize this, and I try to keep that in mind. It is a fine line. I recognize that. And I appreciate hearing your point of view. Ultimately, I have to listen to MY gut reaction.

I have so much more I would like to say on this, but I can't sum it all up in a board post. There's an article churning away in my head now.

I totally agree, Mishi. And this is is why I joined this highly controversial thread. There are no simple answers to start witch-hunt. Btw, I would like to state that this kind of fetish does not mean anything to me personally, it has something to do, like you said, with a free speech online.