Ecchi: If a site asks for a fee for review (see Yahoo directory listings) it is to pay for the process of review, not for the product itself. A partner account fee is an "idiot filter". If you are stupid enough to pay $XXX without first reading the rules, well, you get what you deserve.

At the end of the day, you think you can do better? Start a link list, have open submits, and you can sit there and wade through the tons and tons of bullshit you will get.

Come back in a year and tell me how it feels to spend 6 hours a day manually filtering crap, getting vriuses and spyware installed daily, and handling irate emails and PMs because you didn't list some fool's latest attempt to scam you and your surfers.

Then we will have something to discuss.

Alex

RE: "i dont see any reason why an webmaster wont ask a linksite owner of an smaller LL why he or she didnt got listed" Way back when the majority of my traffic came from LL and TGP, I spent hours a day creating and submitting. I did not have time to email every WM who did not list me. I would guess that the only WMs who have time to do this are those who use auto submit software.

It has just crossed my mind that back then (when I spent a lot of my day submitting) the two biggest TGP sites were The Hun and Richard's Realm. Both of those sent out emails to tell you if you had been accepted or not. None of the minor sites ones did.

RawAlex - I think you totally missed the point of my post on the subject. I was not commenting on the good/bad points of partner accounts. I was using Tommy as an example to point out that people make a decision as to the honesty of a webmaster on what they hear about him. And that at least three people decided from threads on this board that Tommy was a crook (even though neither of the threads actually paint a bad picture of him). And incidentally decided I must be a crook too for saying he was OK.

And re "Come back in a year and tell me how it feels to spend 6 hours a day manually filtering crap" I have spent many years filtering crap on TGP sites thank you. And also ran a link list for a couple of years.

there are still linksites around who send emails, i was an free site submitter myself and handsubmitted my sites, and because i spended so much time with the handsubmitting i surely wanted to know why my site didnt got listed at an linksite, no use to submit to sites where you dont get listed. lol i do remmeber that time that i saw alot of postings from linksite owners on the boards, yelling and nagging and making their rules list longer....that time i thought geeze do they have to do that.....till some linksites owners showed me what they had to deal with all day and since more then 2.5 years where i have to deal with all day.

Really??? I'm WAY out of touch on my Who stuff - haven't even watched the last 6 or so of the last series yet, they're all on tape waiting for me to get a day free!

Rob.

Yes really. And if the 6 you have not yet seen include "Empty Child" then you owe yourself an apology, it was mindblowingly brilliant.

Probably for much the same reason why they won't say when they've blacklisted someone. By the time I've decided that they're actually dumping the submissions rather than hugely backlogged (had another acceptance today for a site that I submitted about 3 months ago) I'll probably have adjusted my submit list to include sites that DO accept.

Sure, for the sites that are really backlogged, I'll put em back on the list for new submissions, but I'm not going to go back and submit old sites to them any more than I'm going to go back and find out why others didn't accept. Even if I did, I doubt they'd know for sure after several months, and it would be unreasonable to expect them to IMHO.

As you say, it takes a lot of time to manually submit to a lot of lists, the return on that investment being traffic and, hopefully, conversions. Submissions to large lists = lots of traffic, submissions to small lists = small (sometimes very small) amounts of traffic. Is it worth investing yet more time in finding out why an old site didn't get listed? Depends on the list, how much time I have etc.

For larger lists, smaller lists that have previously accepted and any list that tells me I've screwed up then yes, it's probably worth it when I have a min. For smaller lists that have never accepted, no, IMHO, it's not. To take up the example Raw Alex gave, it's not unreasonable to say "I don't deliver to that building any more" if they say they want your food but never open the door. On the other hand, if they accept the food then call up and tell me the food was horrible, I'll do my best to make it better next time.

Rob.

Rob, I am soooo sorry, I'll let myself watch them later if I'm good... :D

A quick check of GallifreyOne shows John Leeson will also be returning - now, what role will he be playing? And no cheating by looking it up :D

Rob.

ha yep with that i have to agree, i did got some acception emails from some linksites a month ago , where i submitted almost an year ago, when i first saw the email i thought hey when did i made a free site for them ( or when did i made an free site at all this year), well an year ago, and yep just deleteing all t get rid of the backlog is bad, i never thought of the facked that an linsite owner would do that, well not if they are an seriouse webmaster.

RE: "John Leeson will also be returning - now, what role will he be playing?" If I remember correctly he is a voice artist, did the voices of "slave" and "Zen" in Blakes 7, so I guess he must be the voice of K9. And it makes sense since the Doctor sent one of the K9s to Sarah Jane Smith after she left the Tardis (for a God awful spin of series that only lasted as far as a pilot episode).

OK, I'll go check now, see if I am making an idiot of myself.

Yup, looks like I am correct. I also just leaned that he played Bungle (the bear in Rainbow) as well. Seems he got the "cult voice over" market all sewed up.

Apologies to the majority of people on this board who are American, and unless are very enlightened Americans, will have no idea what the hell I am talking about in my last three posts.

He was indeed K9, apart from one season (season 18?), reprising the role in the 5 doctors and K9 and company, as it seems he will be again. But he wasn't Zen, Slave or Orac - they were all done by Peter Tuddenham, IIRC.

Had no idea he was Bungle though! The things you learn here on GG&J |bananna|

PS sorry for hijacking this thread folks - I'll go back in my hole now :D

Rob.

hey i am an ductchie and i only can think about .......ecchi is very old:D Stu-------------->>> hiding now |couch|

RE: "he wasn't Zen, Slave or Orac - they were all done by Peter Tuddenham" Wow, I got the correct answer from the wrong reasoning. I guess it was either luck or I am a genius. I think I'll go for the second possibility.

RE: "hey i am an ductchie and i only can think about .......ecchi is very old" So will you be one day mate. Youth is the one disease that time can cure.

Being Dutch I guess you miss out on all the great things in life like Dr Who, Blake's Seven, and Rainbow. But then on the plus side you also missed what Gérard Depardieu said about Dutch people on British TV last Friday.

hahahahah grin i know doctor who, when that wa on dutch telly me was an youngster and i was always afraid to go to bed that time when i sa that, the rest i dont know about, Gerard depardieu, his name sound frenche i dont know him but dutchies are good and smart ( well i am then and i am an woman heay mate:D ) oh and i am 21 years old already for almost 16 years |pink

Gérard Depardieu Is probably France's most famous actor. He has also done quite a few Hollywood movies. Also a bit famous for his cookery book.

Good choice! "You can't kill me! I'm.. I'm a GENIUS!" :D

Rob.