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guestcam, I find that most of the time they try to play the "interest of the state" against the total freedom of speech. If the permitted speech isn't unduly restricted, then the state's interest in protecting children or whatever trumps whatever rights you may feel you have. All of the actions taken in the last couple of years has been in the direction of setting pornographers as a whole as abusers of children, either by allowing children to see the porn, or (cue Darth Vader music) to use children in mainstream porn productions.
I ain't shitting you, these dumbasses think that we all spend out time drooling over the 12 year old girl next door, trying to scam her into being in a porn movie that will be sold commercially and shown on HBO or whatever. It is an interesting ploy to first tar and feather the industry as a whole, and then complain about the mess and the smell. By the time we get our shit together and start trying to get the tar off, they have already gotten the general public on their side and we look like shit. "Senator, have you stopped beating your wife yet?" "Mr Pornographer, have you stopped using children in your hardcore movies?" Think about it. Alex |
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Dont get me started on the dumbasses who try to equate an adult website as the same as molesting a child! Its religious zelots who want to put people in jail for violating god's law. That this is illegal in the US isnt enough to save our asses; we need to remind ALOT of judicial personnel about that consituitional fact too. |
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While you're making valid points there, most of them don't belong in the kind of statement we're talking about here. Think press release. Think positive spin. If we don't start name-calling and denouncing those who disagree with us or even hate us, it will be more difficult for them to turn our words against us :) |
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you want to prevent us from prosecution, persecution and civil law suits with press releases and name calling? Am I reading that correctly? |
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I mean that if we're going to draft some sort of statement it needs to be approached as something positive (like a press release, even though it isn't), and that we can't start name calling or being irate if the goal is to try and send a message to the surfers that we're actually responsible business people; not the kind of monsters and sickos that the government makes us out to be :) |
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The message I want to send to my surfers is STOP BEING FUCKING SILENT CUZ AFTER THEY JAIL ALL THE WEBMASTERS THE SURFERS ARE NEXT. They being Here again, read the main problem, the problem that might put you in jail - THEY WANT TO PUT YOU IN JAIL YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE OFFENSIVE TO GOD AND ALL GOOD PEOPLE. Dont be nice to the people who beleive that. Your neighbors cousin's kid step on a mine last week to stop people like that half a world away. Dont be nice to people like that in our own backyard. Call them what they are: fucking monsters. They want to PUT YOU IN JAIL for political gain. I'm sorry but thats a fucking monster. Maybe we dont use the actual words 'fucking monster' while were writing up the wording for the manifesto, but if you dont get it in your head that IS HOW YOU NEED TO TREAT THEM and see them, we will, next year or next decade, find our asses in jail. PUT YOU IN PRISON BECAUSE YOU OFFEND GOD. PRISON. Jail. Rape Camp. Get it? |
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Looking at what I wrote in my listing of talking points - please point out to me which of those is 1. name calling 2. negative because I see niether (in that post). |
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vs. Multiple sites pointing to the same page Perhaps Bill could SEO it, and perhaps set some doorway pages with different keywords, etc. Seems like the religious fundalmentalists in Washington might be getting upset that the new government in Iraq might be run by religious fundalmentalists.|huh |
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Simon Daily Wit: "Ever stop to think, and forget to start again?" |
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And you are totally correct - all of the recent "fervor" over these issues is all (according to the filing papers the DOJ just filed in court) linked back to this original law that was overturned by the Supreme Court. When they overturned it the case was NOT closed - the court gave DOJ recommendations on how to make their case more solid - and that is why the recent request was put out to the search engines for data - so that DOJ could win this time. |
Does anyone ever wonder if the idiots in Washington watch these boards?
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My two cents: While educating the public on freedom of speech issues and civil liberty is a laudable sentiment, it has little impact on the government. This is not a democracy. 98% of the election races have their results predetermined by gerrymandering by the party in power. Very few seats are genuinely up for grabs. The politicians are the ones who need to be educated, and they only listen when they're being paid to listen, or when you can demonstrate that you have a large, cohesive bloc of voters under your thumb. They vote for the hand that feeds them. Unless the adult industry comes up with a way to buy politicians just like the other special interest groups do, this industry will never have any respresentation in government.
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Ann, I agree with you to a point, I still, perhaps naively, believe that the people still hold the trump card. Motivating them enough to actually use it is a different story. A positive on target message can do that if properly done which means it has to remain an on-going effort. To do something today, without maintaining an on-going presence will only delay things while the opposition works to strengthen their own message and develop a means to disprove ours. For them its a war, where I'm afraid we are just preparing for a battle. |
Just a quick query, sorry for the intrusion....
Is the idea to protect adult webmasters from all political anti-porn garbage to protect the industry? Or is it to specifically to protect us from the Bush-led anti-porn garbage? Or is the idea to use adult webmasters as a political influence to get Bush out? Or all of the above? Or none of the above? |
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If We get OUR message out into the main stream media then that gop goldmine of religious right votes aint gonna be worth shit. One religious zelot with a long beard in a long robe standing atop of rooftop to rally the crowd to find and punish those people who offend god and who offend all those good people who have god in their lives. Another religious zelot, hair neatly trimmed, in a brooks brothers suit standing at the podium to rally the crowd to find and punish those people who offend god and who offend all those good people who have god in their lives. Do good people tolerate either? If the GOP is reading this: READ AND LEARN - Actual facts and real truth is on OUR side, not yours. Exposing The real truth on why I do what I do and why YOU DO what you do, will keep me free and you indicted! C |
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Bush isnt the threat. his masters behind the curtain are. IMHO the message, the BRANDING if you will, we need to work on every fucking day, is "Its not a war on porn, its a war on freespeech. It ALWAYS HAS BEEN." No One in Amerrica should be imprissioned for offending someone else. EVER. That should NEVER happen no matter the topic of what is causing the offense. |
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Over here we dont have Bush but we have CAP (Christians against Porn), these are the bunch that go round reporting escort homepages with nudity that are found on non-adult servers (such as the free space on the Girls ISP site) and trying to get sex shops closed. |
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You can use a Starbucks coffee shop to hold those who killed in the name of Satan. There outta be a law - No Christian may say, look at, or show interest in ANYTHING PORN related until two years of working with the homeless has occurred. And in that time period they may not speak of the topic of porn or obscenity ever. I say NOT ONE so called christian (and I am born, baptised and raised Roman Catholic) who current works to 'stop porn' could pass that test. Image a period of two years where the christian HAD to do nothing BUT HELP. No comdemnation allowed at all during that period of time. The graduation rate for that rule would be 1 or 2 percent. fucking christians.........what a bunch of sleazy scum bags.....if there really WAS A GOD.........dont you think the christians and the islamics would be the first to burst into flames? ok, back to my italian sub and football........ |
Hey hey, stay on topic...
Our goal isn't to whine about Christians and the government. If all you want to do is build a blog to whine to surfers about how much Christians and Republicans suck, count me out. You don't win a boxing match by whining about how hard the other guy is pounding you in the face. You win by pounding the other guy to the ground. |
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And Here is the Proof! . |
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This thread seems to be losing its focus and it's unfortunate that it is because something positive can come out of it. What we want is a professional statement written about the facts of what's going on, devoid of rabble rousing, devoid of personal attacks on any political entity or institution, and creating that "positive" message. If we agree that this is our goal / objective, what's the next step?
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