It's amazing and yet so clear...

Ill try one more time to say this LOUD AND CLEAR for everyone that has a hard time reading and understanding shit.

I KNOW THE POST DIDNT BELONG IN THE MAIN FORUM!!! I RESPECT AND UNDERSTAND THAT!! (Keep in mind it WAS NOT Johns "Employee' that made the original post it was ME). And I accept FULL responsability for my actions, and whoever doesnt like it, sorry I accept responsability, but thats life. Move on and get the fuck over it.

Now in regards to my "Employee", if Chris did or did not work for me, or in the same sense you did or did not work for me, I would ALWAYS be behind the fact that if you want to say something YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FUCKING SAY IT, doesnt mean everyone will like it, nor do I give a shit, I would get anyone's back that speaks their mind at anytime for any reason.. Is that clear?? Dont respect me for that?? Good I dont give a shit.

Manila Heat, thank you and it's appreciated. Ill be honest here, all the little name calling and funny shit that went on after this initial "I hate everythign and this business post and everyone in the business post" is funny to me, regardless of the size of the person that said it. I havent called one person 1 name, and simply got the back of someone that did and said what they wanted to, regardless if they worked for me or not. Anyone that doesnt like the fact that I did that, or expects me to say sorry for doing it..... Can honestly move to another thread, Im not sorry for doing it, and let me make this VERY clear.. I NEVER WILL BE. People should be able to say what they want when they want. And thats the end of the story, want to call me names, assume shit and say shit, go ahead. Ill be more than happy to listen to all the funny non affecting bullshit everyone has to say.

I thought everything was cool and we had worked things out off the boards -- till I saw this? http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...threadid=13020

I guess I am in the "fuck those people" category.

I can definitely see some of your points, on some you are some you are just plain wrong or there has been terrible miscommunications.

Quickly, regarding you post:

1. If you allow hostile people to moderate the boards - there will be squabbles like you mentioned. I'm not going to take random attacks from someone just because they are a mod. I’m sure if I were roaming the board randomly attacking people you would check me on it. If it’s bad for the boards, it’s bad for the boards – doesn’t matter who is doing it.

2. Somewhere signals got crossed about the timeline for advertising OCCash. Originally, we had hoped to open September 1, 2004 – as that day approached we realized that was unrealistic, so we pushed things back to October, 1 2004. October 1 came along and we still were not 100% comfortable NATS was stable enough to go out of beta yet, so we’d give it two more weeks. We did not even open to the public to October 15th, meaning November would be the first Ad Cycle. Bottom line: You can’t buy ads for a program that isn’t open. During October, IS Prime accidentally DELETED Penispalooza.com and (like idiots) we didn’t have a backup. We shot this site ourselves, so had to take the raw tapes, send them to an editor, digitalize them again, and put the site back together – THIS WAS VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE and time consuming. We hit November and again found ourselves buried in more startup costs. Do you think it would be good business to not pay are affiliates and buy ad space with the limited amount of money that is left?

If the money is not there, money is not there.

(2 continued - ***) Greenguy, you are one of my favorite people in this industry. – I’m sorry if you think we’ve been trying to milk free advertising off you guys, but I can assure you that this IS NOT the case. If I had it my way, we would have opened September 1, made a million dollars, and prepaid for a year – unfortunately, it did not work out that way. We are a brand new program that is struggling – us being slow to buy ads NOTHING WITH ME TRYING TO SCREW YOU OVER – it is just the way things have been going over here – slower and more expensive than anticipated.

3. I'm not sure why Jim thought we wanted the best package. Me not giving my partner proper notice about Jim call was my bad - I'm sorry. JC and I were both very confused when Jim quoted Ad rates when the rates that were higher that what I had seen on the generic email -- we were really confused by this and I really didn't know what to think. I told you and Jim that if you could find anywhere stating that I wanted the best package that I would gladly pay him double for it. Come to find out – it was crossed signals…

4. Jim and I figured out what the root of the confusion was and I thought everything was fine and we are setting up to go ahead and but ads - then I read this thread: http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...threadid=13020

Why Would I want to spend money with someone who clearly just told me to fuck myself?

*** 5. I have supported this board and have tried to grow it into a cool community. I have done so by advertising GG and Jim FOR FREE on every link request, every acceptance email, and every success page re-direct for THE LAST TWO YEARS.

In fact, do you know what the most active thread on Greenguy and Jim has been EVER?

Review Questions for Jays XXX go here:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...&threadid=4928 (almost 5000 posts)

You know why that is? Because every person that wanted to know why they didn't get listed, instead of just answering them, I told them to post on GGandJim and if they complained that they didn't have an account I told them to go get one or their question would not be answered. Everything mentioned above has brought you A LOT of new users, without which, your advertising would be useless! ***

Lastly, I apologize profusely for not having money in the OCCash budget. It is my first time running my own program, there were a ton of unforeseen expenses, and I quite honestly my inexperience with running a program haven’t helped, but NONE OF THIS, I REPEAT, NONE OF THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH ME TRYING TO SCREW YOU OVER! Like I said, I not going spend money to acquire new affiliates with the money I have set aside to pay the ones we currently have.

Sorry, I hope someday you will forgive me. If you want me to fuck off, just say so.

Ball is in your court.

|rasta| i think we all need to just breathe.

It must be the stress from Finnbear's passing, the election and ________ but "breathe" is always a good place to re-start.

|rasta|

I agree

|potleaf|

OK, reading Jay's post has brought me out of my circus tent and back down to earth. Though others have expressed anger in this thread, I realize that I personally dragged it to its lowest point, obviously pissing off a few folks along the way. For that, I humbly apologize. I should have kept my mouth shut, but I responded emotionally and very insultingly.

ExtremeJohn, please except my apology. I publicly attacked you without personal cause. I've never heard a bad word about you and I accept the insults I've recieved from you and others as fair game and retribution for my actions. I opened the can of worms. Now I have to eat them.

More importantly, I think we all realize that this is not what GG expected or wanted when he posted this thread. I've only known he and Jim to be fair players and know that they would not want me to acting like a rabid runt pitbull biting peoples ankles.

Folks, I'm sorry.

That took balls UW - something you don't see a lot of these days. Bravo!

Not in "the know" on any of these issues, however I know what it's like to be on GG and J's end of things with the whole advertising thing. Unfortunately it's the "friends" that generally hurt you the most - as they are the ones you would least expect to have things turn out that way. In fact the only person that still owes me on an ad deal gone bad is a former friend... I think that's what gets you to the breaking point making you feel like saying screw the whole thing - hell with it all... it's pretty f'd up.

That being said, I hope GG had a good weekend, a great Sunday with the Bills kicking some ass and comes back ready to play the game here again soon!

|shake|

If it makes anyone feel any better we haven't spent advertising money ANYWHERE!

I promised myself that I would not post in this thread again. But, since it is still going, I need everyone to know exactly how I feel. I posted this in it's own thread but it seems, more people will read it here.

I have always said that besides politics, this is the only business where you can call your partners, competitors, friends and enemies pieces of shit in public. And, while it seems to be necessary to be able to do that just to keep everyone honest, I do long for the days when the only form of communication between webmasters was email. With the ease of conversation to many people at one time, by the time you realize you are only saying what you are saying because you have lost your temper, it is too late. I have just finished reading my posts and emails from the past several days and I am surprised at myself. People have always said of me that I have the patience of a saint. I have been communicating with webmasters, both good and bad, for almost 8-1/2 years. And, most times I do try to give the benefit of the doubt to someone I am talking to. This last week, I did not. For the people that have had to deal with my little tirades, I apologize. Most people know, I really am a nice guy.

The original post I made yesterday can be found here.
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...threadid=13071

Last week is over. Today is a new day and a new week. There isn't much more that I hate more than stupid drama. Again, I apologize to everyone involved. I am going to move on to real work and not only promise myself but to everyone else, I will not post in this thread again. I just have to say, this is the most foolish past several days I have had to deal with.

Useles Warriror, all is forgiven and it's a done issue.

Jim, point taken and agreed upon.

I just like most have my strong beliefs (hence the reason I never get into political debates on boards, it just causes issues and has nothing to do with any of us making money together).

Due to my strong beliefs I also get VERY hot headed (however out of respect to this board and the people on it, I really did stay in control fro the most part), where as on other boards I have been known to take it to the last step before taking a flight to beat someone's brains in :)

I will join Jim in saying the last few days are gone, and again Im done with this issue it was stupid to begin with and got way out of hand. I no longer will be posting in this thread either.

I am glad everyone has calmed down a bit. Hopefully things will get back to normal for everyone. I will simply say Thanks to everyone who has ever helped me out along the way. We probably don't say it to the people who help us out enough. I counted about 15 people in this thread alone who have helped me with their information, programs etc. Keep up the good work everyone!!

Andy

I want to address this right here. First John isn't going to try and make employees keep the same views as him. Generally speaking we all share a lot of the same views because they are good for business or common sence. If he were to try and make us keep the same views as him, even if we might disagree, THEN what would you think?
Also, I am a firm believer that people in this business will do what makes them money. It shouldn't matter to anyone if they think John is a sweet guy or not, the bottom line is the bottom line, and people will do what is in their best interest and since a LOT of webmasters are making money promoting Extreme Paychecks 61 sites they won't stop because they dont like what is said on a board. IF they did, I personally would feel that this would amount to business immaturity. You can call me a stupid fat lazy assed know nothing as long as those checks keep ending up in my mailbox every period.


spaz

glad to see a positive turn out!

Spaz your a stupid fat lazy assed know nothing hahaha
Now with that said
"EVERYBODY GET TO WORK MOVE ON THERES NOTHNG MORE TO SEE HERE" :)

Yeah! and your tall |nahnah| tall people suck!! heh heh


spaz

Since I haven't been around for two days I will take the time to address those who have brought me up once again.

First off, why don't you show me where I really went off? Thats right you can't because all I did was ask a question. So stop your whinning and name calling and move along.

Plus I function fine in online communties where people have a clue. Here everyone is so busy kissing ass they don't even take the time to see what is really going on.

So thanks for your opinion but no one asked for it.

How is asking a question wrong?
Ever here of freedom of speech?
Maybe if my question was giving an aproppriate answer instead of the bullshit run around, followed by stupid wiseass comments, followed by a bunch of comments from people not involoved, things wouldn't have gone this far. But everyone and anyone decided to open their mouths, maybe next time they will learn to shut up before they even start.

Have you? |jester|

Chris... it wasn't the inital question where the problem came in. Where you made the comment "Unreal, another thread moved. Try to do something nice for our affiliates and have to do deal with petty BS along the way. Too bad the owners of this board don't care enough about there own surfers." is where it starded heading down hill!
While you may you may not feel so, unfortunatley this situation does involve a lot more people than you think. When things are brought out into a public forum it becomes other peoples business as well, and considering the fact that a lot of the webmasters here who use you as a sponsor, it probably makes some of them think a little bit harder about who they are doing business with. This applies to all sides!
I believe your comment "maybe next time they will learn to shut up before they even start" should apply to most everyone involved! Things probably wouldn't have turned out the way they did!

Now that it appears that most of the major parties involved have reached a concensus, maybe now would be a good time to close this thread!

P.S. - You guys sure got a hell of a lot of exposure out of this... almost 3000 views... that's probably better than the inital post would have gotten! |goodnight

Hey thanks but I've seen that thread before and all I did was ask a question. What else you got?

I know you think your a funny guy but your off base here.

The difference is I asked questions and expected a reasonable answer. Instead I was called names and threatened. Fine you want to call freedom of speech telling someone they want to rip your legs off and beat you with them, well then thats crossing the line. If someone has an opinion then express it, but how about backing up your opinions with thoughs, reasons, and facts, instead of threats.

Things got nasty after you didn't get your "reasonable answer" and you pushed the issue trying to get your "reasonable answer."

When you are at someone else's house or place of business it is their rules and they don't need to explain themselves.

There is no "freedom of speech" when visiting someone's home or place of business.

I understand the rules at GG&J's place. Advertisers get to announce their promos on the main board and everyone else uses the products board, pretty simple rules.

Their board, their rules.

Lets just let it go and get back to business.

It's finished... nothing to see here..

DD