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YaFool 2006-03-30 03:36 PM
Hello

I think obviously not good name for the representative of the available money of metal. Except that it will be obviously asshoel

YaFoool

plateman 2006-03-30 03:37 PM
Hi metal cash guys, I joined your program yesterday and talked with one of you on icq with a couple of questions I had, and I wont be promting your program.. insight of this thread, I'll leave the links I put up but thats about it....

Josh@MetalCash 2006-03-30 03:38 PM
If he were to stop right there, personally I think that's bad repping.

After he said he wasn't interested in galleries he offered him links to paysites which he is pushing right now. How is that wrong?
Quote:
Originally Posted by juggernaut
This is so simple. DUDE you came at GG with an offer. He told you no. Then you hard press. Please, your not making much of a case here in fact you are killing your own program. The shit has not even started and you are just being so stupid. You must have went to some fucked up business school. Heres some advice on which you could have avoided this whole nightmare. You come on the board say, sorry I was over worked blah blah. And forget it. Tomorrow is another day, and you still hold face and get get traffic. Now you are just looking to kill the site before it ever gets off the ground. Sit back have a drink and think about how you are going about business right now and how it's going to be screwed down the road. Heres the post, if it's wrong or edited then put up your side.

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
To : Greenguy
because I do very little with galleries

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
From : Captain Obvious
may I ask why you aren't interested? these sites are selling like crazy

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
To : Greenguy
no thanks (RIGHT HERE TIME TO SAY OK THANKS MAN HAVE A GOOD ONE)

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
From : Captain Obvious
Can I get you a list of galleries so you can import them into your script?

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:36 PM
From : Captain Obvious
I have about 350 hosted galleries with long descriptions for the 123 program
right now in cumshot, hardcore and amateur niches

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:36 PM
From : Captain Obvious
the way it works is your surfers pay $1.23/month and you get $12.30 per join
(or $10 per join with cf)

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:36 PM
From : Captain Obvious
I wanted to tell you about a new program we have called the 123 Program

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:35 PM
From : Captain Obvious
Good I'm your account rep at Metal Cash

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:35 PM
To : Greenguy
yup

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:35 PM
From : Captain Obvious
Hi still around?

Maybe some webmasters make more then the program so what does that have to do with tea in china? They help you!! Don't be a dumbass.

Useless 2006-03-30 03:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash
Wow, you really are a useless warrior.
And again, I shall reply with "wow, never heard that one before".
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash
Good job you are an experienced keyboard warrior, you should get a medal from everyone here.
Oddly enough, I have medals, but not for responding to threads. Do they have such things? By the way, the 'warrior' has nothing to do with the way in which I respond to cocksuckers on the board. I chose that name long before I got burned out reading posts by people like you and your little retarded monkeyboy.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash
When people insult me and my program it's offensive and it's like punching me. When someone punches me I don't sit around and do nothing.
Fuck you and fuck your little program. The correct thing to do would have been to come here and apologize for hiring an ex used car salesman for an affiliate rep.

All you've managed to do is make more work for assholes like me. Now, every time someone on the board asks what sort of experience we've had with Metal Cash, I have to point them to this thread. That that copying and pasting and can tire me out.

Josh@MetalCash 2006-03-30 03:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Useless Warrior
And again, I shall reply with "wow, never heard that one before".
Oddly enough, I have medals, but not for responding to threads. Do they have such things? By the way, the 'warrior' has nothing to do with the way in which I respond to cocksuckers on the board. I chose that name long before I got burned out reading posts by people like you and your little retarded monkeyboy.Fuck you and fuck your little program. The correct thing to do would have been to come here and apologize for hiring an ex used car salesman for an affiliate rep.

All you've managed to do is make more work for assholes like me. Now, every time someone on the board asks what sort of experience we've had with Metal Cash, I have to point them to this thread. That that copying and pasting and can tire me out.
Make sure you bookmark the thread then so you don't have to search all the time.

I will not come here and apologize for something that I don't think was done wrong.

Useless 2006-03-30 03:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash
I will not come here and apologize for something that I don't think was done wrong.
Well, then you're wrong. Your rep is obviously an annoying little fuck and that's what you want. Fine. Good for you. No need for you to stay here arguing with us useless affiliate types. You are dismissed. |waves|

Toby 2006-03-30 03:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash
I will not come here and apologize for something that I don't think was done wrong.
The fact that so many people overwhelmingly disagree with you doesn't make you stop to think that perhaps you should reconsider that position?

Josh@MetalCash 2006-03-30 03:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Useless Warrior
Well, then you're wrong. Your rep is obviously an annoying little fuck and that's what you want. Fine. Good for you. No need for you to stay here arguing with us useless affiliate types. You are dismissed. |waves|
You aren't all that dude. Stop thinking you are. It's you that's coming off as annoying actually.

Not once did we say affiliates are useless please stop spreading such libel.

Thanks! |thumb

Josh@MetalCash 2006-03-30 03:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby
The fact that so many people overwhelmingly disagree with you doesn't make you stop to think that perhaps you should reconsider that position?
No. I don't conform just because many people think one thing. Sorry.

Toby 2006-03-30 03:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash
No. I don't conform just because many people think one thing. Sorry.
Sometimes you conform, because it's good business to do so. But I wouldn't expect you to understand such a far sighted concept.

juggernaut 2006-03-30 04:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash
If he were to stop right there, personally I think that's bad repping.
1st he is not pushing here, you are he has posted maybe 3 or 4 times on this topic. Everyone else is pushing. You, me and the other members.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash
After he said he wasn't interested in galleries he offered him links to paysites which he is pushing right now. How is that wrong?
The thing I see wrong here is he said he was not interested, even if you were trying to remind him that he is promoing something for you already own it don't matter. He said no thanks. Any smart salesman knows when to back off and come back another day. They surly know not to insult a partner. That's just crazy. Sure GG called the guy an asshole at that point the guy should have just backed off and said sorry to bother you. He made it clear he was having a bad day/night leave him alone. Try again the next day. Maybe try a differant route, e-mail during the day, explain you ment no harm and would like to keep up good business and I bet he would talk it over with you. The guy helps people out and has for sometime, people like that are not assholes but everyone has a breaking point. Thing is a smart salesman knows when to back off and yours did not. Now you are here defending him and your program trying to save face but your not helping. Best advice I can give you now is just let it die man.

Jim 2006-03-30 04:03 PM
I guess I will chime in...
I have run affiliate programs from 1996-3 years ago the 1st of this month. And yes, I have used icq to both offer new sites and programs to existing affiliates and to entice new affiliates. But never, have I been rude to anyone that said no to me. Even if they were rude to me, I apologized for bothering them and moved on. Never, would I ever consider calling an existing affiliate an asshole. That is just bad for business. And, I would have never considered contacting the existing affiliate without knowing everything I could about not only their traffic but also them, personally. Nothing works quite as well as asking about the family. Knowing Greenie the way I do, if your sites worked well for him, he would have jumped all over them and promoted them to death.

The other thing I would have done as the owner of that program would have to come here and to apologize for their employee, not stick up for them.

The problem with Marketing people that don't know how to market is the attitude mentioned earlier. The affiliate is not our customer. While technically that is true, they should still be treated that way. Affiliates are your bread and butter.

And if some of the linklist owners here (and there are a lot), decided to make it a rule, "If you promote MetalCash, you will not be listed", how much do you think that would hurt?

This entire problem started with someone trying to market that really has no idea what they are doing.

Chop Smith 2006-03-30 04:03 PM
When do we begin referring to MetalCash as @!not$|?>?

Useless 2006-03-30 04:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash
You aren't all that dude. Stop thinking you are. It's you that's coming off as annoying actually.
Boy, don't I feel humbled. I don't know how I am going live with myself knowing that Josh from Metal Cash doesn't love or respect me. With all of the support Metal Cash has seen here today, it's simply amazing that I don't feel wrong.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash
Not once did we say affiliates are useless please stop spreading such libel.
Oh grow up! What was libelous about my statement? "No need for you to stay here arguing with us useless affiliate types." Where did I state that Metal Cash believes affiliates are useless?

Useless 2006-03-30 04:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chop Smith
When do we begin referring to MetalCash as @!not$|?>?
Careful Chop! Josh is on the phone with his attorney right now seeing what he can do about squelching everyones opinions of MetalCash.

This thread is excellent SE fodder for both 'Metal Cash' and 'MetalCash' searches.

Carl 2006-03-30 04:07 PM
Maybe I was reading it wrong, but you said all he needed to do was say no thanks... Is this not what he said? Maybe Obvious said it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenguy
Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
To : Greenguy
no thanks
He didnt say maybe, he didnt say later, he didnt say next week.

He said "no thanks". He was trying to say no, and be nice...

I have some advice for you guys...

If some one says something bad about you, your program, or the people who work for you. Say you are sorry for what ever problem that may have been caused, and that you will fix it, or try to fix it.

Do not go to a webmaster board with tons of people who could be sending you traffic, and making you money. To start talking shit about one of the guys the board is named after.

Boogie 2006-03-30 04:08 PM
this thread is great :)

Useless 2006-03-30 04:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl
Do not go to a webmaster board with tons of people who could be sending you traffic, and making you money. To start talking shit about one of the guys the board is named after.
Plus, this is THE board for link list owners and free site builders. Out of hundreds of link lists, we all know that there are only about 15-20 lists which control the traffic and, among them, there is only a handful of owners that are well-know and respected. CaptainObvious, not realizing who he was speaking with (as a good rep should), called very possibly the single most respected and influential link list owner an asshole. Just plain bad business.

Greenguy 2006-03-30 04:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Lots of webmasters did two sales with our program, more did one, we have smaller webmasters and bigger webmasters, you're in the middle.

If you think our #1-13 affiliates do 1-2 joins a day each you're straight out wrong....
I never said any of that. What I said was that I'm ranked 14th & I've done 2 sales in this pay period (2 weeks). So obviously, 1 thru 13 have 2 or more sales in the last 2 weeks. My comments was that based off your numbers of contacting 400 webmasters by ICQ instead of sending out a newsletter is this: I don't think you have more than 400 webmasters & that a newsletter would have been just fine. I think your little ICQ fest was a way to make all of your affiliates feel special & warm & cozy because you're letting them in on a "secret" I was also attempting to make a jab that if I'm 14th with 2 sales this pay period, then I....well, I'll let others draw their own conclusions :D

Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
...I don't understand where you guys get the "cold calls" and "telemarketing" bullshit from - I'm not trying to sell you anything, I just wanted to tell you about our new sites.

I don't care if you only have 1 site, I start off with everybody giving them galleries to see where they direct me since MOST webmasters own more than 1 site - you're the ONLY person to turn it into such a big issue...
If you assume that every webmaster has a TGP, then you are a complete ass & you have no business as a marketing rep. You should have done some homework.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Affiliates are everything right? Everybody knows paysites can't thrive without affiliates! ...
Then why even have the program? Close it down if affiliates don't mean that much to you.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash
I have never once, not once been left alone after I've said "No thanks" to an affiliate manager.

If an affiliate manger quits there, they are bad reps....
So because you've been treated with disrespect in the past, you advise your people to treat affiliates with disrespect as well?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash
...We have many tools to offer so if an affiliate doesn't like one, we can offer them more.
So why not start out by saying that instead of assuming that everyone needs galleries?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash
Obviously neither of you run affiliate programs. To think that the first 10affiliates aren't doing 200+ sales a period each is being oblvious and stupid.
Obviously there is a drop, but I doubt it comes right at 10.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh@MetalCash
When people insult me and my program it's offensive and it's like punching me. When someone punches me I don't sit around and do nothing...
Now you know how I felt as soon as CaptainObvious asked me if I wanted some galleries for my script.

MrYum 2006-03-30 04:24 PM
Wow! This thread became a party! And quite an enlightening one at that! Kinda interesting to watch a program burn bridges in a public forum :D

I'm not even going to repeat all the obvious things...it's already been said so many times and OBVIOUSLY isn't getting through |banghead|

Ummm...Josh, if you think this thread hasn't cost you affiliates...you might just be more clueless than your monkey boy |crazy|

Agreed UW, let's make sure this thread pops up on searches for Metal Cash :D

Surfn 2006-03-30 04:34 PM
|popcorn|


BTW MetalCash is now banned from all my traffic pumps. Have a nice day and on with the show :D

Boogie 2006-03-30 06:07 PM
Metalcash,

making complete asses of themselves on the only board that is pure business, so everyone will see it (unlike other boards where it would get burried with "HOT OR NOT LOL (PICS) threads".

i fucking LOVE this thread.

Boogie 2006-03-30 06:22 PM
I have used this thread to create a new business plan inspired by what I have learned today

1) create an affiliate program
2) insult webmasters via ICQ
3) when he defends himself publicly, insult everyone who agrees with him
4) profit

what do you guys think?

emmanuelle 2006-03-30 08:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boogie
I have used this thread to create a new business plan inspired by what I have learned today

1) create an affiliate program
2) insult webmasters via ICQ
3) when he defends himself publicly, insult everyone who agrees with him
4) profit

what do you guys think?
hmmm... I think 1+2+3 does not equal 4

Linkster 2006-03-30 08:26 PM
All Ive got to say after reading this and remembering the last go-around with this "team" I had to laugh out loud

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=11361

Oh yeah - and this is where LL owners outted them for using multiple personalities to submit free sites

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...&threadid=7571

Boogie 2006-03-30 08:46 PM
linkster hits with the double kill A+

Surfn 2006-03-30 08:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Linkster
All Ive got to say after reading this and remembering the last go-around with this "team" I had to laugh out loud

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=11361

Oh yeah - and this is where LL owners outted them for using multiple personalities to submit free sites

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...&threadid=7571
Glad to see I'm not the only one who's memory still works :D

RawAlex 2006-03-30 09:09 PM
Wow, nice to see this thread has taken on a life of it's own. It is also really funny to watch people try to squirm away from the obvious.

Captain Obvious: I think the most obvious thing at play here is that you very likely live in your mom's basement, aren't old enough to get a drink in Vegas, and have the social skills of poorly formed concrete (IE: none). You started uninformed, moved along to rude, stepped through individually insulting and moved right on to insulting pretty much all potential affiliates for the program. I would have to say that Josh is getting good value for money here, provided you are paying him.

Your name calling insulting "asshole" and "asshat" might not raise an eyebrow over at go fark thyself, but here you are pretty much done, reduced to the level of unamusing child banging the back of my seat on an airplane.

Josh, let me give you a business tip: When your "staff" starts calling your affiliates names, the best choice usually is to come in, explain that your new affiliate guy is, well, uncultured, and apologize for his potty mouth. Coming here and standing behind his insults and rude behavior and adding your own on the top tells me that the captain learned his affiliate skills from you. Sadly, you had no skill, so he learned nothing.

I am totally shocked that I can type metalcash without it being turned into ******** at this point.

Metalcash sites go off my acceptable program lists as well.

Alex

MrYum 2006-03-30 09:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Linkster
All Ive got to say after reading this and remembering the last go-around with this "team" I had to laugh out loud

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=11361

Oh yeah - and this is where LL owners outted them for using multiple personalities to submit free sites

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...&threadid=7571
Ah, I hadn't made the connection...thanks for the slam dunk Linster |thumb

Given the history, this thread isn't really so surprising now. This team lives and dies by skirting the edges, then simply shutting down when too many bad decisions mount up. The good news is...with the kind of business savvy displayed here...they very likely won't be around long.

sue-fl 2006-03-31 12:12 AM
WOW!! I just read all the posts!

Called Greenguy an asshole |angry|
Put down affiliates, talking like you don't need us.
Insulted a lot of other people from this board.

You have only screwed yourselves, and you'll realize that soon enough. That fact that you won't apologize to Greenguy is so messed up. I would never want to be an affiliate for your program, but that's ok cause you don't need us anyways.........|pokefun|

nekrom 2006-03-31 01:33 AM
I read 5 pages of hilarity, cired tears of laughter, read it all over again & then noted to myself said program are yoyo's.

-N

Vivaldi 2006-03-31 04:35 AM
this post has it all ... the plot, the drama and the BIG BANG at the end ...
so after 5 pages I'm ready to take'em off but then realized I didn't even signup for them :-)
lucky me

CrazySy 2006-03-31 07:38 AM
Here is another program I would never touch, oh wait......they don't need me anyways :D :D

nibbler 2006-03-31 09:48 AM
This is just fuckin unbelievable. I went to metalcash.com to check them out and noticed that CaptainObvious was hired just 10 days ago. Exactly what are the criteria the HR department use when hiring empoyees:

1) Must be able to cause drama on adult webby boards
2) alienate many current and potential affiliates
3) piss off large LL webmaster affiliates

|badidea|

MrYum 2006-03-31 10:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nibbler
This is just fuckin unbelievable. I went to metalcash.com to check them out and noticed that CaptainObvious was hired just 10 days ago. Exactly what are the criteria the HR department use when hiring empoyees:

1) Must be able to cause drama on adult webby boards
2) alienate many current and potential affiliates
3) piss off large LL webmaster affiliates

|badidea|
Yup, but this thread isn't going to cost them any business...nope, not at all cuz they're soooo smart and don't need affiliates anyway |badidea|

Oh, almost forgot... "Metal Cash" ... "MetalCash" ... "METAL CASH" :D

Boogie 2006-03-31 12:32 PM
I mean I think that this metalcash review serves as a great discussion for metal cash review and it gives metal cash a lot to think about. I mean if you're wondering whether or not metal cash, also known as metalcash at metalcash.com may be cheaters or non payers or something, this thread would be a great way to find out by reading this thread especially if you're coming from google or other engines.

fetish1 2006-03-31 12:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boogie
I mean I think that this metalcash review serves as a great discussion for metal cash review and it gives metal cash a lot to think about. I mean if you're wondering whether or not metal cash, also known as metalcash at metalcash.com may be cheaters or non payers or something, this thread would be a great way to find out by reading this thread especially if you're coming from google or other engines.
|haha I think that deserves repeating!! |thumb


NOTE: Not slamming EVERYONE who is young, but this may explain some of the lack of business sense....
From another board:
Posted January 4th by uvort (aka Josh): "Just turned 20 2 months ago"
|huh

Simon 2006-03-31 02:30 PM
Maybe we need a minimum age requirement. Not just for posting here, but for being an adult webmaster. Or at least for running paysites and affiliate programs.

Then again, maybe we just need a test.

Something like "draw lines to connect the webmaster names on the right-hand column with the websites they own in the left-hand column."

BOSS 2006-03-31 03:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fetish1
|haha I think that deserves repeating!! |thumb


NOTE: Not slamming EVERYONE who is young, but this may explain some of the lack of business sense....
From another board:
Posted January 4th by uvort (aka Josh): "Just turned 20 2 months ago"
|huh
I am 22 still in university....and I think I know how to talk to people...
Please let me know if I am wrong.

I think these guys are just misderecting their frustrations...and this biz is full of them. Like when I started out nobody wanted to trade links with me but I did not call them assholes...I understood and said: thank you and when I get more traffic I hope you change your mind |headbang|

EvilFubAr 2006-03-31 04:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boogie
I have used this thread to create a new business plan inspired by what I have learned today

1) create an affiliate program
2) insult webmasters via ICQ
3) when he defends himself publicly, insult everyone who agrees with him
4) profit

what do you guys think?
Step one: steal underpants...


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