Because I don't ban hosting companies...

Ok. Good for you |thumb

are you a poster? I guess you're not :)
most link list owners do not have such kind of a rule. I mean most link lists accept freesites from banned hosts. if it were a common rule there wouldn't be such kind of discussion.
the part I fully agree with you is that continuing this thread further won't take us anywhere.

now I understand your point of view much better. I have some reasons to think that your information is a bit incorrect in this part though. but it's up to you, and, once again, I understand your concerns although I believe these concerns do not have valid grounds :)
thanks for this explanation. and, btw, in my opinion all our posts are not adderessed to you or Surfn or Natalie. actually, as it was already said by Yahhok our main or even only concern is shared black list. as far as you do not use it, I do not have any questions to you.

Sundiver, about a year ago, a discussion here lead to the revealing of a single host name that was banned. Within hours, certain webmaster chat boards were filled with ways to get around the ban, how to set up other name servers, the host tried to contract out boxes on another host to move people, etc. It wasn't to stop the reasons that they would have been banned for, but instead to help the exact set of cheaters that were banned to work their way around the blocks. They were not going to make their sites better, remove the toolbar downloaders, the geo redirections, or re-install the images that 404ed to console hell, but they were sure going to try to trick us into listing their shit sites again.

I don't think very many link sites used a shared host ban list. I think pretty much each link site owner arrives at the same place by themselves. When we see cheaters, we attempt to find out who they are and what relationship they may have with past cheaters. We INDIVIDUALLY look for the best ways to protect out sites against people wasting out time, resources, and fucking surfers over. In the end, that many link sites have come to the pretty much the same set of conclusions should tell you something.

There is a shared blacklist (that I don't use) for individual emails or domains. It isn't any different from the posts in the "possible cheater" section on this board, except that the effects are a little more regular. Only a very few sites at the top of the chain can actually add bans that affect all sites. Everyone else maintains their own list plus the main list - but they cannot add to that main list. THere is no chance that a link site with 50 hits a day total traffic can randomly ban you and stop you from getting listed at Richard's, Link-o-rama, or other sites using that particular blacklist.

Link lists are not bound to list you. Satisfaction is not suggested, implied, or offered. How they choose to not list you is up to them.

Alex

Don't you have anything useful to do?

Yahook - here's my first free tip on SEO - that will not show you the backlinks - it will show you everyone that has those words on their page - not linking to you!
Normally I would charge for that kind of advice but since youre a regular poster here - its free:) I dont know who misled you to think that query would show backlinks - but it will NOT!

sundiver - I dont know where you are getting your information but I can guarantee you that every link list owner I know of - which is a little over 100 of the top link lists - has a host ban list - and so does just about every large TGP out there - and we do occasionally talk about it with each other. It would be stupid for us to not have a ban list - especially when in the past when we didnt look at hosts - we were spending 5-6 hours a day cleaning up sites that cheaters had submitted - and guess what - they all came from the same hosts :)
As far as the boards that were plotting how to get around the LL rules - I personally read a few of them - after translating of course :) and I can vouch for what Alex posted - and you would be amazed at some things I learned from their posts.
I can tell you that one host went so far as to post here saying they were cleaning up the cheaters - then went and tried to redirect all of the nameservers to different hosting companies - so Alex knows what he is talking about

I know what I'm talking about too, because I'm pretty sure I know what boards you're talking about. I remember those topics on GG&J and on those boards... btw, I guess I have even more clear idea about topics on those boards as far as I don't need a translation to read them =)
as I remeber that posts they were made by (and for) honest webmasters which were concerned about banning their hosting. as for cheaters all of them know all the easy technologies you're talking about. I wonder that you found something new for you there.
moving to another hosting is not such a good idea for many of Russian webmasters as far as not all of us has credit cards to pay for a us/eu hosting. Russian hosting providers offer more convinient payment ways for Russian webmasters. so whatever you think about it, not everybody who wanted to change their nameservers, ips, etc are cheaters. not all of them or even non of them wanted to redirect your traffic, put consoles on their sites, and so on.
I do not protect those hosting providers and probably you had more than valid grounds to ban them, I just wanna explain you the situation as it is seen from other side.

maybe they have such lists, but maybe they also use some more flexible approach to this, because I know a lot of webmasters who use 3fn, hqhost , etc and get listed on most big link lists.

Thanks Linkster, I know how to check backward links "link:domain.com", but if you just use "domain.com" that search will also include backward links and it's not limited.

I think you missed my point - I totally agree that the link:domain.com is limited on purpose by Google - but if you just use the domain name - yes you will get all backlinks but you will also get everyone that has just the name on their page without a backlink
Thats why I suggested using link|domain.com - that will just show all of Googles backlinks without the clutter of the sites that arent actually linking to you :)

link|penisbot.com shows 5 010 000 pages

Checking first one: http://www.dlink.com/ - I don't see link to Penisbot there.
The second one: http://www.theatre-link.com/ - I don't see link to Penisbot there too.

So this search doesn't work for me.

But thanks for giving info for me. I know you wanted to help ;)

Yahook - you are correct - Google has found their bug - so now using the pipe | symbol does almost the exact same thing as just typing in the domain.com - and choosing see all pages that contain domain.com
If you choose "see all sites that link to domain.com" it will only give a small sample of the backlinks (around 10% for a site I just checked)
However if you check using the link: command in Yahoo it seems to give almost all of the backlinks

sundiver, at the end of the day, if you live in a bad neighborhood, then you will have a hard time getting anyone to come to your door. You might be the most honest guy in the world, but you are surrounded by cheaters and scammers. I don't have the time or the will try to pick you out of that crowd.

I am currently looking at some other options that might help some webmasters out.

As for hosting, I don't use a credit card, I pay by check. You might want to consider that option (even if you have to get a company in the US to issue the checks for you) rather than limiting yourself to a very few hosts because of payment issues.

As Linkster siad, google has chosen to obscure or not show all of the results, and to provide variable information that is difficult to track and use for SEO. It makes it much more interesting to watch.

Alex

Yes, but the number of links can't be more than the number of results for "domain.com".

Yahook thats very true - but domain.com results arent all links :)