Putting an air freshener in a shit house doesn't remove the fact that someone just shat there.

Well Said!
I've mentioned similar sentiments and can tell you also that this would be the generally "recommended" approach if you were to ask your average PR person their opinoin.

Jeesh! Ya know I have a handful of feminist friends, personally I like strong women, so I feel comfortable in saying this to you all; one common denominator that many of you seem to share is that you always rise to the slightest bait and are ready to fight. Then once you get started nothing else is important over winning your point, argument, whatever. On a board, this equates to hijacking a topic and in this case, one that’s kinda important. In a few sentences (with respect) let me say what I’ve told my friends when they get they’re nose bent out of shape at a party or whatever… “calm down”. You don’t have to put on battle dress over every little perceived slight or if you do then just start a thread to vent over. Try and focus on what we CAN agree to work towards together.

You girls(women)are a very important part of this dialogue and emerging movement of adult WM’s organizing themselves into some kind of united voice. Also, the more militant of you are important because of the fact that you ARE out there pushing the edges. The further you push the more likely it is that we’ll get a better mainstream compromise. Heck, the fact that TastyTrixie even HAS a manifesto is a credit to her sincerity. It’s more than a lot of WMs have bothered to accomplish so far. BUT, not everybody is going to dig you or your attitude. That comes with the territory. Being tough is not the same thing as being combative. We have certain missions in common. Stay cool, stay focused, stay here.

I totally agree. Since the red sites were brought up again, it bears saying that no matter how intelligent & articulate the women are who run sites in that niche, that is not a place we want to go with this fight. John Q Public is not going to see red porn & say, "How wonderful that these women are celebrating their natural cycles!"

Like Mr. Blue said, I agree that the best course of action is focusing on how freedom of speech is being infringed upon, but I still think having a performer who creates her own content without being "degraded" would help. We're talking about infringing on her right to create the content & the public's right to view the content.

Does anyone watch the show Family Business? I think Adam Glasser does a fantastic job of challenging the stereotype of smarmy porn producer. He's relatable, he's likeable, he seems like a good dad & has a great relationship with his mom. And he treats the performers with respect.

More Adams & less Rob Blacks can only help this fight.

I've long ago given up trying to figure out what you guys are fighting about. All this yelling is making no sense at all to me.

You guys have all gone crazy, as far as I can tell. I can imagine what out FSC guests think of all this.

Next week, when the fire has died down, I plan on starting a new Free Speech Coalition thread in which we can get back to the political business at hand.

You are now returning to your regularly scheduled dark comedy.

Well, if we could return to the business at hand....

Kath from Klixxx has said that if we can get our shit together (my words not hers), she will guarantee this project a highlight feature at Klixxx.com to get the word out to the industry (no guarantee on a print magazine piece since that's JoeD's baby). She has also volunteered her services writing if she's needed, and would love to work with the GG&Jim crew since she hasn't had the time to post over here much lately.

We have the opportunity here to take the first steps in cutting the legs out from under one of the DOJ's biggest arguements against us...if we can get our shit together. We have the opportunity to get the word out to our colleagues with the help of Klixxx.com (yes, it may be terrifying, but no matter how much we bicker we are, in fact, all colleagues:))

That's great! Good work. This is the kind of "good thing" that can happen when one person makes a move to reach out to their own contacts and works to get something done.

To Bill and MadMax, thanks for trying to get the thread back on track. Hopefully when the new thread gets started up we can keep it on track. This stuff is important and we should try and put our best foot forward.

Great news! I think healthy debate between colleagues is part of "getting our shit together", personally.

Great stuff Max...that's definitely a step in the right direction |thumb