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cherri 2005-06-24 03:35 PM

Is the DoJ going to bust the search engines
 
I was curious and was wondering if search engines were complient. Yahoo isn't!
http://images.search.yahoo.com/searc...i=UTF-8&save=0

MadMax 2005-06-24 03:41 PM

That issue has been getting tossed around since last summer, and I doubt the DOJ wants to pick a fight with them...they have too much money to fight back.

Wenchy 2005-06-24 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MadMax
That issue has been getting tossed around since last summer, and I doubt the DOJ wants to pick a fight with them...they have too much money to fight back.

That may be true, Max, but to avoid going after SEs because they have too much $$ is selective enforcement of the law and that in itself is a violation of the law.

The DOJ has really painted themselves into a corner here. There are no simple answers, no easy ways out, and no justifiable means for them to force group A to be compliant without also forcing group B to follow suit. IMHO, it would be in the DOJ's best interest to go after a couple of SEs... talk about headline grabbers!

But that's just my opinion... your mileage may vary |thumb

intillus 2005-06-24 03:47 PM

Thats what I was thinking too. It would be alot easier for the DOJ to go after a few small timers and make a precedent. Then to go after yahoo or google.

intillus 2005-06-24 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wenchy
That may be true, Max, but to avoid going after SEs because they have too much $$ is selective enforcement of the law and that in itself is a violation of the law.

The DOJ has really painted themselves into a corner here. There are no simple answers, no easy ways out, and no justifiable means for them to force group A to be compliant without also forcing group B to follow suit. IMHO, it would be in the DOJ's best interest to go after a couple of SEs... talk about headline grabbers!

But that's just my opinion... your mileage may vary |thumb

Problem is, the DOJ know the amount of $$ yahoo & google have for their legal defense. If they go after a SE and lose that precedent would be huge for webmasters. They wouldnt want to take a chance at going against a big SE when they could take a smaller risk with a better potential for victory.

cherri 2005-06-24 03:53 PM

Using this evidence though could help a webmasters case how easy is it to go to a search engine and find these pics. To find out a webmaster isnt compliant is alot harder.

babymaker 2005-06-24 03:54 PM

yahoo still has the adult groups up i have 3 :D they host 'em :) and they are adult sites, so either they think 2257 is BS or have a special deal like the FSC lol i don't know

Boogie 2005-06-24 04:02 PM

The problem is the engines cannot/willnot be pro-active because attacking the DOJ over this is not something they can afford in a world full of bad press and right wing media.

MadMax 2005-06-24 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wenchy
That may be true, Max, but to avoid going after SEs because they have too much $$ is selective enforcement of the law and that in itself is a violation of the law.

While this is true, selective enforcement is practiced every day at every level of the Criminal "Justic" (sic) System, from prosecutors getting to decide what they will and will not charge someone with to a traffic cop being able to give you a warning instead of a ticket when you both know damned well you ran that red light.

RawAlex 2005-06-24 04:24 PM

Yahoo groups are an interesting situation. Depending on how you look at it, yahoo is but a distributor, not a publisher. As the operator of the group, you are the publisher.

Good luck.

Alex

Cleo 2005-06-24 04:25 PM

Yahoo did pull all their groups

Toby 2005-06-24 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleo
Yahoo did pull all their groups

Adult Yahoo Groups are all still there. What was pulled were individual user created chat rooms.

Cleo 2005-06-24 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby
Adult Yahoo Groups are all still there. What was pulled were individual user created chat rooms.

The groups never worked on a Mac so I've never looked at them. The only reason that I knew something got pulled is because Angel hung out in the tranny ones and she called me when the ones that she hung out disappeared. Angel said that there aren't any tranny ones anymore.

Toby 2005-06-24 04:58 PM

You cant use their group search for adult groups, so it's pretty hard to tell what groups may have been removed unless you happened to be a member of one or more that were, like Angel was.

babymaker 2005-06-24 05:02 PM

yea, they pull different ones all the time, but no major shut-down yet from 2257. wonder who is the publisher alex as i never used my real name or anyother info when opening a yahoo account plus the host them on their servers i think they would be the producer not sure?

Tommy 2005-06-24 06:04 PM

they are exempt

v) A provider of an electronic communication service or remote computing service who does not, and reasonably cannot, manage the sexually explicit content of the computer site or service.

Jim 2005-06-24 06:23 PM

So, hardcore thumbs are fine on yahoo but not for us?
Bring it on Cocksuckers :)

Tommy 2005-06-24 06:26 PM

thats how I read it

ArtWilliams 2005-06-24 07:16 PM

No, the DOJ are going to go after those terrible porn peddlers who run the cable companies and tv stations! Let's make sure every cable, VHS and UHF station manager have their docs ready for the feds!

---art

tickler 2005-06-24 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by artwilliams
No, the DOJ are going to go after those terrible porn peddlers who run the cable companies and tv stations! Let's make sure every cable, VHS and UHF station manager have their docs ready for the feds!

---art

I think Bush should be forced to watch the Showcase channel 24/7. |shocking|

Maybe we could get Ed The Sock to do a little blurb about 2257.

Maj. Stress 2005-06-25 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommy
they are exempt

v) A provider of an electronic communication service or remote computing service who does not, and reasonably cannot, manage the sexually explicit content of the computer site or service.

Search engines have the same option we have when it comes to providing images. Either show them and produce documentaion or not show them. I don't think they should get a free ride on this one.

babymaker 2005-06-25 01:46 AM

so can i open a link dump?? :D let any cocksucker dump a link to anything and have no control and i will be compliant, maybe i wil open like 20 :)

Vink 2005-06-25 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommy
they are exempt

v) A provider of an electronic communication service or remote computing service who does not, and reasonably cannot, manage the sexually explicit content of the computer site or service.

I don't see how google can say they can't manage sexually explicit content. They do it all day long with
"SafeSearch Filtering"
"Google's SafeSearch blocks web pages containing explicit sexual content from appearing in search results."

In google images type in "jizz face" see the results you get with safe searching on then type it in with off. It looks like they're managing sexual explicit content to me.

MadMax 2005-06-25 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommy
they are exempt

v) A provider of an electronic communication service or remote computing service who does not, and reasonably cannot, manage the sexually explicit content of the computer site or service.

I would argue that this doesn't apply, since they do in fact manage the content of their search results which is where the hardcore images appear. If they want to claim that they don't, they can publish their algo :)

SirMoby 2005-06-25 02:13 PM

Google and Yahoo both have enough money to fight it and win so it makes no difference if they are exempt or not. There are smaller search engines and sites that they may go after but if they do and loose then it opens the door for a million new sites to open up and use a similar technology.

When you think about a thumb TGP it's very possible that they could be exempt as well if they're designed properly.


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