Are TGPs turning into CJs?
 

I just spent a few minutes playing surfer and checking out a few tgps that I see in my referral links from time to time. I'm kicking around the idea of starting a TGP, so as much as anything else I was surfing the potential competition.

I've gotta say, if I were genuinely looking for free porn I would have ended up more pissed off than anything else. I kept clicking on galleries and getting redirected to other TGP sites through their traffic trading scripts...and I'm not talking about once or twice either. This was the surfing experience:

go to tgp
click on gallery chosen at random
redirected to another tgp
click on gallery chosen at random
redirected to another tgp
click on gallery chosen at random
redirected to YET ANOTHER tgp
click on gallery chosen at random
FINALLY SAW AN ACTUAL FREAKIN' GALLERY

This process was more or less repeated at multiple TGPs, who shall remain nameless. My question is, what kind of skimming percentage do these people have to be running for me to encounter this repeatedly? I mean, if I was a genuine porn surfer with cc in hand, these guys weren't even letting me get to the sales pitch.

Is this kind of Circle Jerk situation common with TGPs nowadays? If so, I'd be wary of trading any traffic at all, knowing that I was dumping my hard earned surfers into a piss-you-off situation like this.

Thoughts?

It does seem that some sites are running high skims. Most say they are 70% to galleries but I too have clicked and did not get a gallery 7 out of 10 times.

There are many guys running 100K sites barely averaging 1 signup a day themselves and that is the reason.

Oh don't get me started on CJ's LOL MadMax these guys will be here shortly to tell ya that this is the biz model of the future LOL I feel as you do about them

i'm not a tgp guru, jsut a nub

from all the research I've been doing, skim sites are the only way to get a TGP running now

there are ppl that are trying to do hardlink TGPs, but those take forever to grow, but they are a lot more productive when they do grow to a great size.

Skim TGPS is the new way to do things, even though you don't like it, it's here to stay

look at sites like bunnyteens and teenies XXX, they're very huge sites and all of them are skim.

There is no way that a no skim site can grow as big as them. unless you've been around years like the Hun or something

Turning into CJ's? Hell, a majority have been piece of shit CJ's for a long time.

Call me old fashioned, but I like my links to go where the surfer thinks they are going :D

AMEN! CJ's are CJ's are CJ's......

I have zero blind links.. it may take longer to grow but I hate cheating the surfers.

i'd want to do the same, but a skim site can get up to 100k/day stable in a couple month

for a non-blind, it'll take years, unless you're constantly feeding bought traffic like what hte hun does

Give me happy productive surfers over pissed off redirected ones anyday.

I know what you mean I was looking for new tgps to submit too just the other day and noticed a few were using 50% skim and I did a bit of clicking and out of say 20 I got about 1 gallery now that is what most of this skimed tgps hits are a surfer sent who closes the browser or hits back straight away. I know when i used to surf tgps If I went to a trade Id close it straight away.

1 - I'd rather have 10,000 happy surfer as opposed to 100,000 confused & back clicking surfers.

2 - the Hun buys traffic?

don't they?

i remember reading that somewhere

but maybe im just talking out of my ass...anyways...

I doubt very heavily that the Hun buys traffic - he's been around so long, everyone know him or has heard of him from the buddy at the bar.

Him, al4a, Ampland, PK, Richard, Tommy, etc - all have a strong following due to word of mouth & their length of time online.

guess I was wrong :(

wish i started this porn thing years ago!

Everybody wants to be a millionaire overnight!!!

So what value does this 100k/day have?

with FHGs, average $2000 a month

you cna get ppl like DamageX or crack to get it up to 100k/day

for $4000, get money back after 2 more or so, as long asyou don't mess up the trades ie get cheaters on hte list (hit bots)

Is this the fantasy thread?

Where's Ramster? I think he's the one that came up with the 10k legit vs 100k CJ traffic results theory :D

I agree with you, you sure are just talking off your ass...

The 100 k a skim site gets is BS traffic.

Don't believe everything you are reading on the boards. Not this board :)

Whatever thread it is, your avatar cheers me up every time I see it |jester|

NO one EVER measures the damage done to the market though by pissing off 100,000 surfers PER DAY!

DD

I used to run a CJ site for multipule months about 4 years back, I had about 15+ signups a day with 40-60k traffic. I think the logic behind it is, a surfer gets annoyed to a point where he clicks a sponsor banner, and signs up.

I might startup a cj site, after I get my good sites up and running just to see how the traffic quality is.

But as I said, that was almost 4 years ago.

Klove

OOPS, $2000 will get you a 100k site

okay, not gonna fight with anyone.


end of discussion, heh


I read a similar thread on this board a few weeks ago, don't want to start that again.


importantly what makes you money is all that matters as long it's legal:)

can't we all jsut be friends?

anyways, I don't know if I mentioned before,

thsi is just what I've read around the boards and guides, I don't really have any experience...I just do freesites

I'm glad I have some value :D

Every couple of months someone comes on the board and talks about the hun like they know him. Where he gets his traffic, what he thinks, where he posts, etc. There are those who have been associated with him for a long time and do not presume upon that friendship by posting bullshit.

I remember those days but the difference back then was that clicks were either going to a trade or a paysite and for every trade popped there was also an exit popped - either an exit to a paysite of some CPM program. The pissed off surfers were constantly bombarded with some form of ad. With the TGP-CJs of today however there is an emphasis on no ads at all. It's quite a brilliant strategy (NOT!) - the less ads we show them the more they will click on thumbs which means more hits sent out to crappy FHGs and trades. In effect you get a pissed off surfer bouncing around from one site to the next without any sales pitch or ad in sight. The TGPs grow and rise up the traffic ranks but the income they make is basically pennies. It's a constant sacrificing of income to increase traffic levels when it clearly should be the other way around.

And pood you are indeed living in a fantasy world if you think the average 100K thumb TGP brings in 2K/month.

Hi guys,

Do you realy think that´s all bullshit with this kind of TGP´s
and MGP´s?

what do you think about the services of tgpbuilders, mgpbuilders
or any other tgp traffic builder? Is that all a fake, or do they a
good job Has anyone experience?

I cannot understand the desire for people to run these blind linking CJ sites. All you are getting is a more and more frustrated surfer, looking for a gallery, and getting NOTHING.

I know, maybe if he is frustrated enough, he will BUY something.

Maybe if he is frustrated enough, he will log off and go rent a video from the video store.

As dangerdave said, nobody bother to figure out how much damage this type of stuff does.

It's like those god forsaken toolbars and malware people. Don't you know you are fucking up the ENTIRE business for the future in order to be able to make money today?

You are not only killing the golden goose, but you are burning the corpse.

Alex

I am seriously toying with the idea of having my milfs site as free of blind links...

It has great Google traffic from excellent keywords and I am not sure if I need the skim now. For sure the traffic will drop like a stone, but there is still toplist trading,

Great discussion so far. I can certainly agree with the concept behind traffic trading..."If I can't sell something to this surfer let someone else try and send me another surfer back." If I do actually start up a TGP I'll give the surfer galleries on the first 2 or 3 clicks then start the skim percentage from there...but it seems to me that the right model would be to keep the surfer long enough to make a reasonable attempt at selling him before sending him away.

It just seems that the traffic has become an end in itself for many, whereas the truly successful people I've gotten to know take the true measure their traffic and their sites by how much money they make per unique visitor...be it .05 cents or 2 cents.

Im actually going to run some test with my tgp when I get upto 1000 uniques/day, im going to start trading with these CJ sites to see if I get any more productive traffic. I think a combination of sponsor gp, mp site and trading traffic with others might be a good combo.

Doesn't he? He buys AOL traffic. It's not hard to notice that at all

the hun buys traffic |haha

Not only does he buy traffic but he also makes ppl laugh at this on the boards!|roses|

This IS THE FANTASY thread. lol

I think there's a line between totally annoying the surfer & giving away too much for free.

Surfers already have pop ups disabled & ad blocking so banners don't show up. TGPs are updated every day with hundreds of new galleries & to get listed, they need to have at least 15 high quality, big photos that haven't been seen all over the place. MGPs now want a minimum of 4 clips in sequence that are at least 1 MB in size & at least 10 seconds long.

If the surfer is already getting that much for free, what's next? Free blowjobs for bookmarkers???

You're 100% right. Let it be at least $1 per blowjob! |pcsucks|

You Are Right
 

Im Webmaster and Surfer for XX Years,and you are Right.I just changed my own TGP to a non CJ Site.All Thumbs are going to a gallery,Trades are only getting Traffic from the Top 50 and some other Linksites on that Domain.and shit i make 2 times more than before thats fact !.

as i sayed before iam a surfer too and hate those shit like auto dialer install,auto bookmark etc....i have a few trades doing that kind of shit and they will be blacklisted soon.

NO CJ
 

Hi

I hate Cj

Only hard link trade and SE traffic and all real galleries !

Thotmes