Promote AVS sites
 

I was wondering if tgp or mgp sites hate galleries promoting AVS sites??? I am about to start doing movie galleries, did a bit of research and was wondering....how much off a differences in amount of traffic can u get doing a 3vid gallery 1MB each vs a 6vid gallery 500kb each? Is neither one more preferable?? With 3vid u get quality over quatity, with 6vids u get quatity over quality personally which would u prefer?? is 500kb a vid acceptable or 700kb would be better?? I also noticed that there are BIG MGP sites...sites that only list vid galleries with big movie clips. Are those kinda site running with about the same amount of traffic as the normal mgp sites??

I have never heard of a TGP of MGP that refused a gallery simply because it was promoting an AVS site . . . it is done all the time . . . and sites like Shemp, Richards-Realm, PersianKitty, thehun all accept galleries promoting AVS sites

We don't accept AVS sites on our TGP.

Some sites dont like you promoting free AVS' (lolitampegs springs to mind).

Of the two movie formats I think 3 x 1mb may be more beneficial.

But do you accept GALLERIES which advertise AVS sites?

No, we don't accept AVS promotion.

What's the point of that? What do you gain?...

I don't like AVS sites. The people who own sites on an AVS usually have rudimentary skills and probably shouldn't be in the porn business.

That's an interesting point of view. Care to elaborate? Are you referring to owners of AVS systems, or of individual AVS sites? (I've found the two are often used interchangeably.)

lol enjoying that crack tonight are we lol

I'd say most gallery builders have rudimentary skills, from what I've seen. ;p

When I think of AVS, I think of Adultbouncer/Deluxepass. I know there are other AVS systems that support the small pornographer.
I choose my sponsors based on different variables. The largest variable is content. AB/DP content is all major studio content given to a number of webmasters by the owner of the AVS to promote the AVS. This is corporate sytle porn, and I don't like it. I think it's dangerous for the small pornographer who pays to create content. I think it's bad for the adult business overall. It's like setting up MacDonalds on every crossroad of the internet. I won't help promote it.

BlueQuartz, your comment is ambiguous. Did you have a point or are you just trying to flame?

Dag, most of the galleries/free sites I see a pretty decent. Besides it's more complicated than my earlier statement about webdesign.

ambigious? sorry let me clear it up

your comment about most avs builders only having rudimentary skills is, IMHO, complete and utter bullshit


hope any ambiguity has been removed

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Seriously though Blue, my attitude about AVS is more about the corporatization of the business than anything. I stated that in the last post. I have seen many sites that seem decent. It's a drag to see AVS making tons of money just passing out content and offering hosting when there are tons of content producers who make sites and offer a unique product only to have to compete againt the AVS model.

Ok, well that comment irked me a little because
1. I have only rudimentary design and marketing skills;
2. I build AVS sites and
3. I like it here. :)

So I won't go away. But I won't bother submitting any galleries to your TGP. Which one is it?

Dag, it's not my intention to irk you however you asked a question. If you don't like the reply so be it. Some people, myself included spend thousands of dollars producing content, paying hosting fees, writing backends and designing sites, running sponsor programs, promoting sponors, making galleries and free hosted sites etc... I gave you the reasons I don't support AVS systems.
Don't worry about our TGP it's partner only so you it's not likely you would be submitting to it anyhow.

Irked. Past tense.

I'm fine now. :)

Phew ok :)

Huh?! Assuming (I have no choice here as you only provided two examples) you have no knowledge of AVS/AEN sites outside your limited scope of experiences, this is a topic you probably should stay out of.

Your thinking that people that build AVS sites are flatulent in the ability to design/code a decent HTML page is pretty bold, if not completely unfounded.

To pick nits... Your new affiliate proggy/site needs some serious work. It's in beta? Why? It isn't even close to complete. Your BizoPorn site's warning page is almost unreadable. While the "flower power" theme is nifty, there is no sell going on. There is no hard pitch, no closer. Basically, you're burning bandwidth IMO.

Now, AVS == Corporate Porn?
Umm, get a clue. Porn has been corporate for longer than you likely have been on the web. Doubt me? Ask Ron Levy and Serge and even GG. If you are an affiliate of ANY program you are in effect part of a corporate machine.

Let's get back to AVS though... It would seem to me, and you are free to clarify, that you really don't know squat about the AVS market. True, there are outfits that shove their own overused content at their affiliates and their networks suck ass (their 4th Qtr earnings likely will decry the same). However, there are dozens of good AVS/AEN systems out there that are seriously viable.
Perhaps you haven't investigated (sorry, I'm making assumptions because you have only thrown out unfounded derogatory rhetoric) just how lucrative the AVS scene can be if worked properly. AVS traffic is Targetted traffic. AVS surfers have already whipped out their CC once - that's a huge marketing advantage. AVS surfers generally know what they are looking for, another advantage as they are self targetting. Unless the interweb has drastically changed within the past 30 seconds, I believe that qualifies them as the #2 top traffic source on the planet just behind SearchEngine traffic.
As to AVS webmasters lacking HTML/design skills you would be best to do some research before spouting off. Yes, there are shit AVS sites - as there are shit Freesites and Galleries. In the same light, the sites of whatever category that make bank are those that are built to market their wares. If you think AVS sites are all shit I'll be happy to send you all my denied freesite submissions I review.

Bottom Line: If you know AVS you can make bank, serious bank. If you know Freesites you can make equal bank, and if you really know TGP you can make equal bank on galleries. Get off your high-horse.
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I have a tiny penis, and her name is Mary. :)

Galleries promoting avs sites are fine but the problem is the way some promote them as in the free join type avs which would be an issue at some tgps as in misleading the surfer I know that is a big one on Richard Realm TGP :)

excellent response venturi - we see what happenes when people start shooting their mouth off about things they clearly know NOTHING about


peace out

Holy kungpao pussy! I don't think I've ever seen Venturi write angry. Goodness. NOT to gang up on Gunncat, but I've got to agree with the venting Venturi. I don't see any difference in the level of talent between gallery/free site builders and that of AVS site builders. I'd bet you could find a great many AVS sites listed somewhere as a free site since, I'm told, many free site builders make copies of their sites to list them with AVS's. Personally, I'm blame George Bush.

I'll stand onthe fence & say that I have seen some really nice AVS sites & I have seen some that look like a monkey made them by throwing graphics & text at a computer screen :D

Of course, I can say the same about galleries, free sites & pay sites that I've seen in my time :)

Yes, many do. Free sites and (low-level) AVS sites are so similar in design and purpose that they only need the slightest modification to be changed over.

man, I have really stirred up the pot here, so before it goes much futher I MUST atone for my previous comment about the design skills of anyone making an AVS site. I apologize for insulting anyone. It was uncalled for and misdirected really.
Again I will stand by my point that I don't want to promote corporate porn, and though venturi has mentioned that all porn is corporate I don't agree at all. I think there is plently of sites out there promoting a product that is over used and can be seen in any adult video store online or locally. I know plently of models/photographers who aren't part of any corporate structure.
I was talking to someone else about this and they told me that they are part of an AVS system and create their own content which I will support since small business can benefit from this.
I have had limited experience with some large AVS systems and I don't see that this kind of product helps any small content provider/site developer/webmaster out in any way. I choose not to promote these sites and that is my choice.
So to summerize here, I apologize for my misdirected comment about webdesign, it was a foolish thing to say. I also feel as though I have the right to select the sponsors I want to promote and those I don't.
I also have to apologize to Blue for calling him the a-word before. Sorry man, no hard feelings. And to the rest, no hard feelings about what I said. I didn't mean to make this into a debate about what and who to promote or why. I would agree with Unless and blame GW Bush also though :)

It's a mistake to generalize the AVS model when each network operates under such different circumstances. Some quick examples:

1) the Deluxe Pass & Adult Bouncers that are essentially selling passes to a DVD archive.

2) networks like Pro Adult that are comprised primarily of original, exclusive content from amateurs.

3) the free AVSs with shitty 30 pic sites & cross sales to paysites.

All very different.


I run both paysites & AVS sites, some with bought content & some with original, exclusive content. They all make money & they all have different pros & cons.

Now that made me giggle like a schoolgirl.

I too must admit I came out pretty strong on this topic. I'd just spent the entire day sifting, sorting, categorizing, renaming, optimizing, thumbnailing and uploading about 15,000 images - that'll put a kink in just about anyone's panties...

It's all good at the end of the day if we all bring home some money for our efforts. |shake|

Now for the latest on our great hero GW: Bush Finally Wins Debate! |goodnight

gunncatt - no worries mate :D |shake|