I Have A Dilemma
 

I got a phone call from a friend 2 days ago. (not a high school pal but close enough. Go camping with and he is good friends with a good friend of mine).

Keep in mind noone where I live in Ottawa here knows what I do. Only childhood friends back home 800 miles away know.

He went to a seminar on opening an adult paysite. A turnkey program run by a company called Global Premier. For $8000 Cdn ($6400 US) and a recurring amount of $250 and 5% of all sales they build you a pay site and host it and run a mailer for you daily and supply all the leased content. It doesn't sound too bad but obviously it's not great.

He owns the domain and finished paysite design.

Here's my delimma.
He called me back just now and is seriously considering it. He called me based on my success with the internet promoting casinos. LOL
He thinks I promote Casinos as all friends here do. I think I should call him and tell him everything I do. Talk to him about how I may be able to give him some help and guidance on driving traffic to this new site other than the mailers should he decide to do it.

What do you guys think?
Should I tell him not to do it? They say he'll make $1000-1500 a month the first few months and should reach $35K US the first year so a reasonable amount on their part.

I think telling him what I do is ok since he is considering doing it now.

Input please?

The reason I did not jump down his throat and said no is it is not as easy starting out now to make money with free sites as it used to be and getting listed at TGPs is almost gone for newbies.

Should I tell him NO?

I think he would definately have a better chance of success with you showing him better ways to invest his $6000. That's a pretty good start.

Just think how he'll feel when he loses that money and finds out that you knew all along. Or even if he doesn't find out, how you would feel knowing you could have helped him.

It's an easy answer I think |shake|

My first thought is saying Are You Fuckin Crazy?

He could live on that money for a few months until I show him how to make $2K consistently and then he should be able to make $3K or more on his own from there.

Am I wrong in this thinking?

Ramster - tell him that if there was that much money in it for him, the company would just do the paysites themselves & keep all the profits :D

Ramster, try this.

Reverse the situation. Were it your friend with the knowledge, and you about to make an investment, would you hope he'd share his knowledge with you?

And keep in mind that he trusted you with knowing *he* was considering the porn business.

I'd tell him. then tell him you'll show him what to do, etc. for XX/hour. I wouldn't do it for no $$ cuz he's ready to spend 8K or so.. at least make a consultant fee.

So basically everyone is thinking the same thing I'm thinking right?

He could save his $6400 US and get some domains, a host and content all for under $1000 and if he has any skills I could show him how to make $2K a month no problem within a reasonable amount of time right?

If someone new started out and had a little help and made a free site Every day subbing to 50 LL what is reasonable for him to make? $2K within 2 months?

I think so, easy desision.

You could call him a pervert & make him feel horrible about wanting to start up an adult site & then give the company $8k yourself :D

I'm with you on this one Ramster


"You could call him a pervert & make him feel horrible about wanting to start up an adult site & then give the company $8k yourself "

or withthis one if hes not a good friend |jester|

Ram, it's a total ripoff, a con, and a scam, and you should tell your friend that he should run away from it as fast as he can, and do anything he can to get his money back if he's already invested.

I TOTALLY agree with Greenguy here. I run a design firm in South Florida. This is a question I get occassionally... a client will call into the office and say "XYZ Company told me they would build my site, supply me with content and promote it for $xxxx. They tell me I'll make $xxxx in the first two months...bla, bla, bla".

You have to think motivation here folks. If their program is so terrific, they would obviously make more money if they built the sites for themselves, rather than 'helping' newbies by involving them.

Mmmm. I agree. I see so many new people in my line of work who have bought "turn key" sites with all of these promises that never turn out.

I see noobie webmasters spending as little as $200 to $500 for turnkey setup and then paying some $75.00 recurring and netting 50% of sales. LOL, sounds like an affiliate program that costs to join and they charge you every month.

A better idea, if he wants to do this and has $8000.00 to spend, then he's got a pretty good start and a hella lot better chance of success if you and other good people show him the right way.

In my opinion.

Yea, what GG said, and just hire hourly people to run them.

First...Is he a Canadian?

Re: I Have A Dilemma
 

Run away! |couch|

Seriously though, who is this company Global Premier and what are their references? Do they have any case studies or satisfied clients? Or are they just another company that promises the world and delivers cheap plastic globes?

Where's that thread... somebody here just got screwed by a turnkey adult company that didn't deliver... you should show him that one... lemme look.

Well, as my dear old pappy used to say, when you have a dilemna - make dilemmanade. He was senile.

Selena made and outstanding point. Your friend is obviously not anti-porn, so your little secret would not make look upon you poorly.

As Bill stated, those turnkeys are such a nasty rip-off. I've never heard a turnkey success story, but I've heard of plenty of turnkey disasters. Hell, if he really wants to do this, hook him up with a top-notch designer like Urb, help him indentify the niche he is best suited for, and select some content. Then start tutoring him. Otherwise the poor man is going to learn a horrible lesson, I fear.

Re: Re: I Have A Dilemma
 

Teleteria comes to mind. Jay Servido, I believe is the criminal mastermind's name.

this is true...I've talked to various people at different shows/gatherings and haven't heard a good turnkey story yet

Verbal I believe there were some threads abuot a company called teletaria or something like that

Re: Re: Re: I Have A Dilemma
 

Yeah, that's the guy... Ramster check these:

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ight=teleteria
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ight=teleteria

Ramster, if you want, tell him, hey, I got a buddy who's in the porn business and he can probably help you out. Me or anyone from this board with enough time to spare can school your friend, let him know its a scam and send him off in the right direction.

Well, don't let him lose the money no mater what.

1st you need to determine if he is of the sort that *can* do adult full time.

Does he have any design skills?

He'll appreciate you being candid with him...hopefully.

Just give him the real deal. If he has you to feed some traffic then he's way ahead of the game.

Then send him here. |thumb

Ok it's a done deal. I play basketball tonight at 8:30 so I called him and said I'd come by afterwards about 10:30.

Basically told him talking with others it's a bad thing. I outlined that with $500-1000 he could buy some domains, get hosting and get content for a month to create mini sites promoting other companies for 60% of all revenue.

I'll show and tell him eveything I do tonight when I get there.

Why do I feel like I'm coming out of the closet or something? |jester|

Good luck. Let us know what his impressions are. You will lean him towards revshare?

It's probably some kind of intervention. All of your friends and family are suspecting you of being involved in porn and this was just an elaborate setup. Once you tell your friend, he'll start shaking his head and all your friends and family will start coming out of their hiding places to help you.
|scared|

Usually honesty is the best.

Then again I'm a fuck it if they don't like me let the chips fall where they may kind of girl.

People know what I do. When asked if they should get in this business I tell them that it is really too late unless they are willing to work extremely hard.

Oh my... that would be crazy... lol. |jester|

Haha, that would be some funny shit :D

We know your ... "RockDaddy" name and we feel that you're addicted to money and naked women and that's just wrong.

LOL

|jester|

RockDaddy |skull|

That would Not be cool. hehehe

AlphaWolf
No. I'll show him both but the phone call was about numbers. This company was taking 5% and I'm sure there was 15% for processing so it only left 80%. I said he could spend very little and still get 60%.

If he goes ahead with this I'll push him towards a bit of both, more PPS than revshare though!

I'm outta here so I'll see you all later.

Tell him to give you $3,200 and you'll get him started in the biz :) I bet within 3 weeks everyone that you both know will be thinking you're a pervert.

Good luck. If he's into it- you no longer have to live your lie alone. LOL.

I found even when talking to smart people I know, the jargon in the biz is the biggest issue.

I mean, really it's pretty simple. We get commissions on sales we help make.

People still don't get it.

I'm still wondering if your buddy has any web design skills? If not...that's a fairly big curve.

I'm interested how you would specifically start him out?

I think if someone I knew had some good smarts, some web skills, and a good understanding of online communication- I'd give a brief explanation of free sites. Show a link list, show a free site, then show the LL's rules and that would take a bit.

Iggys Tutorial would probably be great as well.

With tommys paid partnership it's a great time to get into it as he can see results or lack thereof pretty quickly.

Let project Cunuck Porn Shadow begin!|roses|

Hey Ramster!!

Listen to Rock Daddy!! He may have a point!

I mean think about it. All of a sudden this guy comes up with this ridiculous notion that he wants to do a "turnkey" porn business venture?

Everyone is probably suspicious of you in the first place, right? So, if I wanted to know what was going on, I would dangle bait to catch the fish I was going for. It just makes sense.

Why don't you tell your friend that you "know" of someone that you are really close to that is involved in the business, thereby implicating the friend and not yourself. This way you can explain to your friend what is right what is wrong, so on and so forth. If you have to create a fake email addy, send yourself an email under the fake addy to yourself and outline exaclty what your friend needs to do.

Sound good? That would be my approach...

:)

I don't see too much of a difference between adult and casino/gambling.

I guess it depends on your social circle, how liberal your family is, etc...

I wouldn't go around proudly stating I'm a porn salesman. But, I wouldn't go around proudly stating I was a casino salesman either.

My Mom and damn near everyone I know knows that I transitioned from regular web design to adult.

Even a conservative female friend just asked me some specifics when I told her what I was doing.

Everyone tends to think there is "easy" money in it so they fiigure ya may as well make some money off this internet thing somehow.

If people really are your friend's and they see you happy and doing ok, then it just shouldn't be a big deal.

The biggest misconception about this business (I think) is that it's nearly 100% men doing the selling.

Ramster I think the first thing you need to determine tonight is does the guy want to work
When I first got into the biz I thought all it would take is a web site a few bucks to throw at it and maybe 20 hours a month (including getting photos) for the money to come pouring in. I would spend most of my time
remodeling my boat getting it ready to go spend the next few years cruising the Sea Of Cortez then settling down if we found a spot we liked, if not fuck it, the boat has two 1,000 gallon fuel tanks that will get us to Hawaii with fuel to spare and the South Pacific is just a left turn from there. "RIGHT"
I'm 50 years old and thought I was beyond falling for any get rich schemes or pie in the sky dreams. I think the reason, I came into it so blindly and without doing any kind of research was because I had been brainwashed by the media followed up by all the web sites and emails I had read and seen making it sound so easy.
I wish I had talked to someone just like you before I had gotten into the biz, it would have saved me money and made me money. I would of learned it's doable but involves work.

I did a little research today (I did it to post in Kloves thread, oh well) I built the two ugliest free sites ever excepted by a reviewer last December for 8th street Latinas, put a few galleries up on a hub and a banner up sometimes, That's is all the promoting I have done for Nasty Dollars. I have made $315 from that effort so far, based on that I think it's safe to say with a little education in filtering traffic and a hub or two a free site will make $100 a year or more.

Well, I guess they got him in porn rehab
|sandm

Man please don't do the same mistake I did .
I try to help a firend MAKE SOME MONEY by presenting him THE PORN BIZ BUT it came out he didn't want to work in the porn biz "it was not ethical for him " and then all my friends give me some lessons on why I was doing that , hard period .

I worked 1 year on stupid underpaid project so people could belive me that the porn biz was only temporally.

What you can do is simple tell you friend that you have a friend in the adult biz and he will be happy to show him the way for half of the money you will be that personae you make fake icq e-mail paypal account and you talk to him teach him how to make money and take example $3K from him you will save him from giving away $3800 and on the other hand you will make easy $3K and you will not show your identity people dont understand belive me I've been thru that. If you are young personae like me don't do the same mistake I did.
That is my story.

Yeah, that's what iw as trying to say and thats what I would do. |waves|

Great minds think alike Sean416!!

(BTW, I live in T-dot too!)|thumb

Don't I know it! I've been doing this since the beginning of the year, learned a hell of a lot, and just started seeing money come in. If I didn't have my sugar daddy, I'd be living in a van - no rather - a cardboard box - down by the river!

I have read this whole thread and it has made me quite curious - I NEED AN UPDATE! WHAT HAPPENED?

So I went over to his place last night and talked for a few minutes. Got a feel for how interested he is in doing this. And things like if you did this you'd probably want to leave that info out for other people on what you do, yada yada yada.

So then I say you know how I make thousands a month promoting casinos? He says yes. I said...it's all bullshit. I make no money on casinos, it's 100% adult.

AlphaWolf, I told him that and showed him that. We are sales reps. We use search engines and create small advertising sites with some sample photos to drive surfers to a paysite for a commission on the sale or a straight fee for every sale. It's pretty simple. :)

So long story short you'll probably see him doing free sites soon once he gets a grasp on things a bit more.

And yes he knows html, not sure what else he knows.