Bush 254 Kerry 252
 

As expected, it's going to be very close. Fingers crossed. Here's a good link .

I have completely lost faith in my fellow idiot Americans. There is no good reason for this to be a tight election. This is proof that this election should have never been left in our hands.

We could always hope that a astroid falls from the sky and lands in the Bush.

I stayed up til appx 4am my time watching it on cnn. It may be my own ignorance (probably, I can hear you say!), but the electoral voting system seems antiquated. I spent 6 years at university but must admit to falling asleep in most seminars/lectures on voting systems. The primary benefit seems that no state will be overlooked by candidates on the run up to elections. However, the drawback is obviously that your vote "may" not count, could even HELP the opposition (if I have it right). So I don't think americans are idiots, just that the voting system needs re-working (not that it will happen, given by what they've said on cnn).

Have to say I am VERY suprised it's this close. What irritates me further is having to wait 11 days before a state, such as Iowa, will even begin a thorough count. Again this, to me, seems like a law worthy of change. In an age of cnn, cbs and internet, the speed with which a decision is reached goes hand-in-hand with our faith that all is honest and every vote HAS been counted.

Anyway, fingers are still crossed for you guys (for all of us really).

That's better than when I last looked. But it's still not good.

It's a horrible sinking feeling, isn't it? And a sense of despair and wonder at the choices of other people.

Oh no, I have to disagree with you. Look at all of the red on that map. It speaks for itself. Most Americans never step out of the bubble to take a look in from the outside. If they did, once they were done vomitting, they'd say, 'holy fuck! What a mess.'
The only thing that gives me hope is the fact that, in many states, Bush has 'won' by a very narrow margin. That means almost half of the people in many of those red states are educated or don't have sex with their siblings. Maybe even both.:D

What is going through people's minds? Bush has killed the economy, racked up the largest deficit in American history and then there's the war issues. I don't get it? |confused|

Florida fucked us again :(

I used to have a boss that would say to people, "I do my job god damn it, why can't you do yours?"

Mexico, here we come

I have a feeling at least some of it falls down to lack of information. We work on the internet everyday. In other words, our jobs are managing information. Many americans may not have enough information to make a decision which reflects decisions they would make if they were in possession of more information. One reason EVs are so close is most states are accustomed to voting republican or democratic. A landslide is almost impossible because many americans will not be stayed from a party, regardless of the man in charge (same happens in the uk). I;'m still hopeful though. :)

I do see your point, but I have to be careful how I agree with you on this point, considering international pornography relations :D

edit : The average englishman is thicker than pigshit. It makes be fucking sick actually how the english gentleman has been systematically reduced to a Sun-reading, uneducated football hooligan. Dont even get me started.

If you guys want I can look out for a few good houses to live in in my neighbourhood :)

I am officially pissed of at 58,176,979 Americans |banghead|

I am serious Fonz. Even my wife, Victoria, has no interest in staying around here. Mexico looks really good. Imagine, living like kings with the money we make. My wife's favorite food, Mexican. No more snow. And best of all...being able to laugh at stupid americans for having such a moron for a president.

That's why I said it first. I wouldn't expect any non-American to come here and tell us how dumb we are, even if statistics show us that at least 51% of us are. And in a land where the majority rules... well, you get my point.

In all honesty I would probably do exactly the same thing. Not necessarily Mexico, but I'd take my family out of the country. I'd suggest you look at England but the USD is worth shit over here because of Bush.

I get you dude. I think its great you can make me laugh even on a fucked up day like today. :)

You know who voted for bush the assholes that dont care anyone has a job and are more worried about morals..

This whole moral thing has me confused. Why was having to Gay people being legally united such a big deal during this election? Who is anyone to tell people how they can live?

My prediction is, that if you don’t get your passports in order now, you’ll have a very hard time of it in the not so far off future!

While I don’t really think there will be a mass exodus now, I truly believe that many Americans will want to get the hell out of America when the shit “really” starts to hit the preverbal fan!
I believe that isn’t too far off.

Do you honestly think the Bush administration wants this or will allow this? Hell NO

The USA is going to make it harder and harder for their citizens to obtain their passports.
And, make it harder and harder for any citizen to leave the country.

You can or may disagree, that’s fine.

But, the simple truth of the matter is, as more and more Americans leave the US for other countries, bringing along their families, their American currency, skills, businesses and tax paying dollars….the Government loses. This wont set well with the “ Police State” we’re heading for.

It isn’t for just another 4 more years. The damage that the Bush administration is going to cause will last for many, many years after.

I tottaly agree with you Jim. You would think after being cheated out of there votes last time the Democrats would have made sure that they all went out and voted so that there would be no possible mistake this time. I am very disappointed in most of America right now. To see all that red on the map is ridiculous.

I just don't get how you can run an economy into the ground, go to War with a person who did not attack us, still leave the one who did out there, lose 3 debates, and still be clamed the winner.

I just don't get it.

I am speechless. |verysad

that's a good one Cleo

LOL |lightsabe

I just don't know what we are thinking half the time.Friggin Ohio of all places should have been a give me.
They think things thier have gotten better the last 8 months BIG smoke screen.
I've never seen so many damn religious stats in my life and that will probly be the big factor when its all said and done.
With this country as fucked up as it is WHY don't people want change even if Kerry is kinda whimpy.
Damn right I voted Kerry here in Maine and so did the people so I gotta atleast give Maine credit they know the economy sucks up here.
And sadly enough its not the porn threat that worries me its everything else thats so fucked up and people still voted his ass back in.
I felt before that we should dump the EC and take what the people say even if its not the out come we want.
Instead we're waiting for the outcome that we know will happen.
I'm seriously thinking of moving.I decided never to go back to Cali and after lastnight
I know I'll stick to that.How can they vote to spend 3.5billion when already 5billion in the red.

Its over Kerry just gave up

CNN just said that Kerry will concede to Bush at 1 |banghead|

Just heard the same thing on the radio.
Whatever happened to 'we'll fight to have every vote counted?'
Nice to know that yet another candidate wasted our fucking time. Didn't even put up a fight. Worthless fucker.

yeap fuckin ohio - I should open my door and scream out to all the bush lovers and say THANKS..

I have to agree, face-saving fucking pussy. Maybe he should have read Dylan Thomas :

"Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light."

I feel for you lot today, I really do. :(

This sucks.

Please tell me this is all a bad dream and the elections aren't until tomorrow, because I can't fucking believe this is happening (again).
I am sickened.

"Four More Wars"

:(

Watching Kerry's concession now.
Well I am saddened.
In no way was I a big supporter of John Kerry, but I was and still am very anti Bush.
We do live in a democracy, and the people have spoken.
And from the only people in this country able to vote that matter (those who did their civic duty) the message is clear.
The country is still as severely divided as 4 years ago, but this time it gave Bush a mandate.
Thank goodness that as long as Bush won, he did so sizably.
This way Kerry was able to concede graciously without dragging the issue out.
If we the US are to enforce our beliefs on the rest of the world, we had better be damn sure to show they work.

It is an unfortunate thing that in a country of over 300 million people, these two candidates are the best we could put forth.

Though I am dissapointed that my candidates (both Kerry by default and Castor by choice) lost, the good citizens of both Florida and the US HAVE spoken.
Yes Cleo our Broward along with Palm beach and miami/dade went pro Kerry, but unfortunately that was damn near all in Florida.
4 more years of Ashcroft*shudder*
That scares me the most .

Just be sure to get lots of body guards, an armored car and weapons for your home, best not to go out at night too. There is a reason that so many come to the USA from the Latin Americas.

Kerry was weak. It was as if Bush himself chose who to run against him.

I expected Bush to win. Now that he doesn't have to worry about getting elected again the real monster will come out.

I'm very worried of what is to come. :(

Fuck! And I think I knew only three born again christians who were actually for Bushie! WHere the hell are all these idiots in this country. I guess we don`t see them because they never get out! I always said we were a nation of idiots! I just hope we don`t have to start paying the price yet!

Good luck to us all!

Come to my part of the country and you can meet all the Bush lovers you'd ever want - heck - they even put it right on the church signs out on the road to vote for him

As far as Florida, the real problem was not in the majorities or the little scandals - the fucking apathetic wimpy complaining people didnt fucking vote - out of the 10.5 million registered voters in Florida, only 7.4 mill voted - and most of the ones that didnt according to their registration preferences, were democrats - and looking at a few more states that should have easily gone to Kerry - the exact same thing happened - they just didnt vote.
As usual we will hear the apathetic Americans complain again for 4 years and still not vote - its simple - you get what you vote for.

And Just think Jim for about $100 a month you can have a maid that cleans your house, washes your cloths, runs your errands and cooks 3 mexican meals 7 days a week for you|jester|

I told a friend 2 weeks ago that I thought Bush was going to win. Why? Because he was using the politics of fear. It's what his whole campaign was about. He never addressed the issues.. even in the debates. Just played on peoples fears... saying that he is the man that can guide you out of these dark times. Not that wimp Kerry.. Never mentioning the fact that HE is the one that turned out the lights.

It's about to get even darker. But we're tough people. We will make it through.

Actually, I'd put that number up at close to 76% of Americans are fucking idiots since only somewhere around 50% of eligible voters even showed up.
|angry|

11 hours on monday and 16 hours on tuesday.. another 10 today.. all at Kerry HQ here in LV.

My only brightside is that my county.. Clark, the largest in NV went solidly Kerry..the rest of the dayam state is suffering from radiation from Yucca Mt. and is brain damaged.

Now that i've had a chance to look at the stats.. and who turned out and voted i can positively say that i'm really disgusted with the women.. WTF... we are mothers and we are ok with sending our children to war??? NOT this mother..

I'm trying to hold on until school is out in june but chances are i'll be in Jamaica before too long.

Especially with Renquist in the hospital?? OMG .. I can't even imagine who would move in there.. our luck he'd send AssCroft..

Oh well i can't even say it was a good fight.. because, for me anyway, it was ABB and my candidated couldn't pick a few hours to truly waffle on .. like.. maybe i'll win.. oh no maybe i won't..OH YES>. maybe i will.

Whatever Karma is scheduled for GWB ..i hope it smites him soon...

after Cheney..
and Lott.

I agree Bush ran a campaign of fear..he has all along. And I also have born again christians sprinkled in the family both my wife and myselves sides. Thier unquestionable allegiance to this man is mind boggling. Escpecially coming from my own brother and mother I use to know so well!

Exactly. This election was won on fear. Those "undecideds"? They gave in to fear. People who opposed Bush on many issues ultimately gave in to fear - fear of the "terrorists", fear of gay marriage, fear of change.

And you are correct, we WILL make it through. The fight didn't end on November 3 - it just started.