How do you organize your ll's?
 

Do you use any program / submission software for it? Like AS, DS, CS - and which one?

Do you add the link lists for each category, for example if you submit anal sites and hairy sites:

linklist.com_anal
linklist.com_hairy

And how do you group them? By the amount of traffic they send you, PR or popularity?

Fpr the most part, autosubmitters are frowned upon by Link Lists.

I'm not sure what the 2nd part of your question means :(

I submit using Roboform. GG, what's FPR?

The answer lies to the west of the "P" ;)

OK, I admit it -- I'm not that bright. What's west of the "p"? :)

Tonights quiz. You will figure it out ;)

|jester|
I got it, I got it!

lol

Ponygirl

West of "P" - I like that :)

And I have fat fingers :D

FOR

Well I don't mean autosubmitters. I mean submission software.

Advanced Submitter does only help to fill in the text, of course you can auto submit with it but I just want to know how you organize it all.

Almost every link list requires a category recips so that means you must build your database for each category again, no?

And I thought it was a wonderful piece of software. :D

:D

IMHO if it's a program or script that does part of the submitting for you, it's an auto submitter - how long does it take to copy & paste the title of the site, URL, recip location & description?

I have seen a couple of partially automated submission systems that I really do like.. they required the webmaster to visit each submit page... but helped them manage recips, copied fields to forms automatically, checked their spelling, managed a history of their freesite submissions and generally made hand submitting much faster and better for both parties.

Anyone who uses these know the names/urls of good ones like I that?

Exactly Opti! I can't imagine that people still use copy and paste in 2004?
My favourite submission tools are Advanced Submitter and Dream Submitter but have heard good things about Chameleon Submitter too.

Greenguy, what's wrong with those programs?
I'm from the mgp world and almost every submitter there uses one of those programs and they do not only auto submit.

It's a real time safer so why do link list owners don't like submissions with those programs? I honestly can't see any real reason for this.

Hmm... Jeka, Do you play real time strategy games?

If you start using autosubmitters for LLs, they will close down the submitarea and have partner accounts only.

Just take a look at the TGP scene where you have to pay for partner accounts and almost all good tgps are closed for public submits!

If people get their hands on autosubmiters, some of them will abuse them and destroy everyone else´s chances of getting listed.

Do you want that to happen to the LLs?

I say NO!


Enjoy the free world of the LLs!
|rasta|

Well that's the problem, if some dumb people / cheaters abuse those great programs, honest submitters like me get punished for that.

So I have 2 questions. How should ll owners recognize if I copy paste that information or use a submission program (NO AUTO SUBMISSION -> EVERYTHING GETS CHECKED BY MYSELF ON EVERY SUBMISSION PAGE!!!!!) ?

And second how do link list submitters then work?

Back to my original question: How do you ll submitters organize your submissions?

|horse|

You are likely very familiar with these, but I use GASS http://www.darksoftcomputers.com/gass/ in conjunction with RoboForm http://www.roboform.com/

I would say that combo is a submission assistant. GASS makes the mirror pages, and I use custom fields in indenties of Robo Form to fill out forms.

I still have to manually click every thing through and check for accuracy, select categories, etc.

And I don't use it for LL's. I have tables built in Dreamweaver of recip groups that I use together.

The reason that most LL owners dont like the AS etc type (although I agree they do just open the submit section) is that they bypass the rules page - as well as any advertising that WM may have for submitting WMs to look at - its purely economic and an issue of why do I bother having a rules page if no one looks at it.
Try to look at it from the LL owners POV - they spend a lot of time thinking of rules that will allow the good submitters to submit quality sites, while trying to weed out the idiots that we spend 80% of our review time on that are a waste

You can add the rules into AS aswell. That's what I do, when a site has special rules that are not common I put that into the database and everytime I visit the submission page those rules show up in the top of AS field.

I also never click on any webmaster advertising link when I submit galleries / sites.

Jeka - exactly my point - the AS stores the copy of the rules from when you copy them - but you never see them get updated, which happens on a regular basis at most big LLs - therefore when you submit a site that say is using sponsor content, and the LL no longer takes sponsor content - then you have just been blacklisted at many large LLs - it happens all the time around here

As far as not joining programs under other WMs - thats up to you - most of us have a little degree of the feeling of community and therefore we kinda scratch each others backs - its kinda our way of saying thanks for some of the helpful hints we give each other and a terrific way of networking and showing that we appreciate each others hard work.

Thanks Selena.. that combo has the kind of functionality I meant.. not the exact application I was shown though.. and Ive no idea of the name now. The guy paid $90 for it if that helps jog anyones memory.

To Linkster:
I didn't say that I never signup under referals but that I would never click a link on a submission page.
I find that very annoying, a submission page is for submissions and not for refering webmasters in my opinion.

If someone helps me on a board or in any other way like on icq then I'm more than willing to join under another webmasters id.

I've found many a good program/sponsor from a submission page that I wouldn't have known about otherwise. I've clicked on the link, and signed up, even if I've never had any contact with the webmaster I'm submitting to, other than submitting my sites.

The way I see it, I'd not have heard of the program if it wasn't there on the submission page, and that webmaster has actually helped me out by alerting me to a program I can make money with. JMHO.

Which again was my point - you're bypassing the rules page in a lot of cases as WMs of some (if not a bunch) LLs have their advertising on the rules page - not the submit form. More importantly - the rules change all of the time and they get posted with a date of change - but the AS never looks at that - it just loads the rules (if it even does that) from when it was originally copied.
And while some do use the AS to just make the hand submitting a little easier - remember that most (99%) that use them cheat us every day - so we react by taking out the cheaters by simply banning AS - which is in most LL's rules - and since someone that uses one is breaking the rules, they will get BL'd from submitting to allow the WMs that do follow the rule to get through.

Not having that many submissions to my record yet, i'm stilling fiddling back and forth with grouping recips. I'm trying a system with just copy and paste the whole recip-group table, it's starting to work pretty ok, after the initial recip-collecting, still need lots of tweaking to get the right ll's on same index.

I used roboform too, but am now trying iNetFormFiller http://www.inetformfiller.com/index.php
i think it's better, but not sure yet. Only drawback is it only works in IE, but i've let them know of the need to make firefox extensions, and they seemed interested. also, can't get the toolbar-thingie to work.

Ummm, I still copy/paste. Yeah, it's time consuming as hell. But when I was first looking for linklist, I was (still am) terrified to break any rules especially just beginning and nobody knowing me from Eve. This was the most stressed upon in big bold underlined text rule I could see in everyone's rules. So, I'm still slow to build at times, but that's cuz I'm learning new tricks as I go, and slow to submit. So one day to build and submit a free site, since another common rule is only one submit per day anyway.

Also, as was already said here...I've noticed just recently changes in the rules that if I hadn't skimmed through during each submit I would have missed. Example, one of the LL no longer accepts a certain sponsor. Good to know before trying to submit a site promoting that sponsor.

As for the 2nd part of your question. The rules actually have to do with how I've been organizing my recips. Several gave examples of who they'd prefer or require being recip'd with, and what that page needed to be named. So, that's where I started.

ok, now I'm not sure if my answer was what you were asking, LOL?

Linkster how do you know if someone is using AS?

I wouldn't say that 99% of the people who use AS are cheaters.
I would say that maybe 10% of them are cheaters but those guys have ways to auto submit to your site even without banned programs like AS.

Better idea to do it still by hand and doesn't copy and paste is soft called 'Keyboard Express'

Look for it in Google, it's very useful :)

Copy and Paste is not all that bad especially with autocomplete enabled in IE. I agree with you Porn Princess, rules are set in place for reasons and if a person takes the time they can avoid much trouble by at least skimming over them before each submit.
This is especially true for those among us who are relatively or completely unknown (not reading the rules and possible changes is a sure fire way to start off with a bad rep or at the very least with "IDIOT" pasted over your head).
I arrange or am arranging my lists in several tiers:
First Niche
and inside the niche category those with higher traffic and those with lesser traffic, so that recips can be grouped for fairer traffic trades.

Linkster touched on most of the things that I have problems with - not sure if he did mention that on some of these sites, where they have the recips made up for you already, well, they're not always up-to-date on the recips. I changed mine around a little bit ago & I know that some of these places still have the old ones.

Cal me crazy, but I take the 15-20 min to go to the Link List's submti page, look for anything new (most will make it painfully obvious when something is new) I then go to the recip page & copy & paste the recip I need.

I then go to the next Link Lists & do the same thing - like I said, this take 15-20 min

The I upload the site, get my textpad open & have 2 things on a blank page:

Site name
Site URL
Site description

I then go back & submit the site - I'd rather do this & make sure I got it right - if I was using one of the other programs/sites & got blacklisted for because I took their word for something, it'd be my fault for not doing my own work.

Exactly what I was trying to say GG :)

Funny - I just got finished doing my daily submits - a free site using notepad and copy/paste took exactly 12 minutes - going to everyones rules page and hitting the submit page - and I do this just about every day

now I know that AS would have taken me at least 10 minutes - and wouldnt you know it - one LL had changed their recips - but I was able to see the rule change and avoid being blacklisted |jester|

Use Opera clipboard manager instead, you can create new notes with your email, site name, url, description… And all you have to do is right click on the form and pick the note.

http://www.opera.com

Can take quite a while for those of us that submit to 90+ link lists... advanced submitter is really no different than using the autofill feature in IE.

I always check the rules every time I submit to see if there's updates, but I guess there is a high potential for abuse using assisted submitting programs. All advanced submitter does is help organize submissions, it's only an autosubmitter if people use it that way (which most don't), and the people that do likely don't stay around in this biz for long IMO.

I think in the 2nd party of his question "And how do you group them? By the amount of traffic they send you, PR or popularity?" he was refering to grouping recips for miror pages.

Big link lists like to be listed with other big link lists so they get traffic back. So you group all of the higher traffic linklists together on the same page, and then all of the lower traffic linklists together with sites in their traffic range.

Advanced submitter has a feature where you can assign a "weight" to a each linklist and when you create your mirror pages it will organize your recips according to the weight you've assigned each one.