Am I Being Too Sensitive?
 

It’s totally possible that my reaction is over the top. I like teen sites and unless they insinuate cp I don’t really care how they’re marketed. A few minutes ago I saw this site posted and it got to me. http://www.dirtybabysitter.com/index.php

I’m a new father and I have a baby girl at home so maybe I’m being way too sensitive but seeing Flick Shagwell reaching into a baby crib and Aurora Snow with a baby stroller really turned my stomach. I love these pornstars and I love them in pigtails and little plaid skirts. It’s just the fact that having babies, baby dolls or just insinuating that babies are present really threw me.

What are your thoughts? Should I just lighten up or is this really as sick as it made me feel?

Maybe my reaction is misplaced. This is done by some respectable people that I think run a good program (I don’t use them but that doesn’t mean any thing). They’re not insinuating that the models are under age but it just bothered me very deeply and that could be because I have my little baby running around here all day.

Don't second guess your thoughts on it. If you think it's over the top then so be it. You're allowed to draw a line and it obviously crossed your line in the sand. It doesn't sit well with me neither. In fact, the graphics alone are a little bit too childish for my liking too.

Yuck!! That site gave me the creeps.

I hope you didn't see the porn site where the children are the one they #@#@....I just saw it this morning....it's horrible...I understand how you feel...I'm sick to my stomach when I watch those little ones|barf|...poor children...though I don't have kids...and I always go to adult's site...I feel so terrible about it...|angry|

I don't know if it's sick, but it's definitely misguided, inappropriate and pretty fucking ignorant. Children of any age belong nowhere near a porn site - even the insinuation is pretty repulsive to me.

I'm not talking about plushie toys and pigtails, by the way. But a freakin' crib in a porn site - yeah, that's just wrong.

Strikes me as a serious misjudgment - no more, no less. But having just watched "House of Sand and Fog", I'm keen to what even minor misjudgments can lead to.

It would be instant rejection here and the domain probably added to my ban list.

Let's face it - the entire "teen" niche is based on young ladies doing sexual things.

I think that the teen sites with girls in school-girl uniforms are actually worse - let's face it, there's not too many girls in college wearing plaid skirts & knee high stockings & pigtails.

If you're gonna be upset with one, then don't list any of them.

An easy call. It's sick. You're right.

Here's why . . .

While the models are legal, they are portrayed in such a way as to suggest they are underage.

Marketing teen girls is fine. Marketing teen girls which remind us of babies or children is wrong.

Many teen pornographers are actually promoting cp, while using legal models.

When was the last time you saw a 19 year old girl in plaid skirt with pigtails, sucking a lollypop, and giggling? If the models act underage, then it promotes cp regardless of the age of the models.

the part that bothers me is the baby bottle next to a dick graphic and the 12 yearish looking girl. Maybe it's because I have a newborn in the house now.

I don't care if the models are 90 years old if they look too young then I'm not listing it. With Photoshop I could make pics of me look underage.

If I was to do the categories at my LL today I would do a young ladies instead of naming it teen.

It's the stroller and crib that bother me about the site and nothing else.

I don't mind the models acting or looking young as it doesn't matter what you do with Aurora Snow, Kitty and some of the others they just look really young. I'm guilty of running a teen site with models in schoolgirl and cheerleader outfits but I post an age for each model and it's always 18 or over.

The teen niche isn't my concern it's pretending that babies are in the same scene as the sex. That's what gave me a nasty gut reaction.

I don't think that site is pushing the baby or underage aspect as much as the "babysitter" thing & the fantasy of banging a baby sitter.

Of course, then the age of the babysitter comes into play.....

I have a step daugher who's baby sat since she was 15.

I have another step daugher that baby sits for us every Bills home game & she's 26.

We have a friend that baby sits the kids when we go out of town & she's 50 or so - LOL

I can't tell much by looking at the tour - was the 1st girl in the crib? Was Snow in the stroller?

EXACTLY!

They could have made a wonderful reality site out this, but they chose the wrong path. Hell, Kelsey Grammar banged his babysitter. You could even have lesbian encounters between moms and coeds or both parents sharing their babysitter. But this particular portrayal was badly done. There is no need for the babysitters to look like they just strolled out the door of their junior high.

It comes down to feeding a sickness rather than feeding a fantasy.

now thats a thing which is playing along to, father feelings , you have a own little baby girl, i dont think the site is that bad, oke babysitter and the bottle and i dont like the daddy words, but i dont think they where planning this like it would be underaged and all, just a bad choise of words and the look. but its just my opinion.|violin| The bad is in these times you see k*ds of the age of 11, 12 with the short skirts and the stockings and the pigtails, at least in my country they are, even i promoot teen sites with those kind of pics (but then ladies who are real 18+), i would never alowe my daughter to wear that, she may wear that at the age of 80, because we all know there are alot of men who like that look.maybe i am babbeling to much but i think the most blame is now at your father feelings...and thats not a bad thing its a good thing, i would say, you dont think its good, dont list it then, go after your feelings|violin|

Funny little fact - today is Aurora Snow's birthday - she's 23 :)

BIO :
Height : 5'5"
Hair : Brown
Measurements : 34B-27-36
Birth Place : California, USA
Date of Birth : November 26, 1981

Happy Birthday to Aurora then. You'd think she made enough money from porn so that she would not have to babysit.

If you take a look at the other sites promoted by this company, you find http://schoolbuschicks.com/. Although riding to university in a yellow school bus seems somewhat unusual, I guess that is the idea they are going for?

I can not wait for "Shy Teacher's Pet" (site coming soon). Sarcasm aside, I would not be interested in promoting this program.

Btw, love the Blockbooster Cash disclaimer:

"This program is not affiliated with Blockbuster Entertainment, Inc".

All the girls on the site are in their 20s I think and are all pornstars, no amateurs.

It really plays on the babysitter fantasy and would be a good site had they not brought stollers and cribs into the picture as if babies are in them.

I also am not a fan of girls dressed to look MUCH younger than they are. Most babysitters are NOT 18 in real life so it's another site pushing the boundries. :(

At no time in viewing that site did I feel that anyone there was under 18 however much they might have looked it (and they did).
What I did feel was they are choosing a very inappropriate and creepy way of promoting a legal niche.
I am a female over the age of 40 and no children so forget the mother hen stuff.
Being straight and into men my age forget the hormones too.
As webmasters we deal in words but also colors and icons to set a tone and a feeling for any site pink for the teenie set is a favorite, nothing bad in that. It sets the mood and gives the target audience a feeling for the site. Fonts are great.
Like a webmistress who's banners are all in an elegant cursive font, they give you a feel of her as female and possibly sophisticated. These are tools of our trade.
What do abc blocks primary nursery room colors and rubber duckies make YOU think of? It is all about setting a mood.
The feeling I got from the colors and choice of decorations for that site was....childish, very juvenile and given what they were promoting creepy.
If I get that sort of vibe from a site what might other more sexuallyinterested persons be thinking/feeling?
Once again I stress I did not think for half a second these models were in any way under age I just felt that the whole *feel* of the site was...inappropriate, and maybe, just maybe not what they intended *i hope*

Re: Am I Being Too Sensitive?
 

Welcome to fatherhood, guess what "those feelings don't go away"
I was watching a video yesterday of my oldest step grandaughter at sea world doing the Dolphin Encounter thing. What got me wasn't her swimming with a Dolphin it was the way a Sea World Employee helped her out of the water.
I'm sure it was all inocent and yea I've given countless kids a boost up by grabbing them under the armpits just like that Sea World Employee did. It's just she's starting to develope and no one should have their hands near her|lightsabe
In the last two months a new Brothel and a new Massage Parlor have opened up in Tijuana both have all their girls wearing school girl uniforms. I don't get it, but both places are getting plenty of business

There are lots of things that "skeeve" us out.. sometimes i just have to hit approve and hope my report checker finds any errors.

the crib and carriage were just props to set the stage for the 'fantasy'.

but you know the rule of thumb should be, it's your site, list what you want and trash the rest.

|rasta|

Except in just about every strip club in America. ;)

As I interpret it, the schoolgirl uniform suggest Catholic schools, which suggests slutty + unobtainable. Same for cheerleader uniforms. Actual pedophiles are NOT attracted to well-developed young women - they're into KIDS. And I would probably be "dissapeared" under some obscure portion of the patriot act were I to say what I think should be done with pedos.

But fantasizing about that snotty and/or shy "bitch" who wouldn't give you the time of day in high school - not even remotely abnormal, and as long as the model is over 18, not even remotely illegal.

It's funny...we adult webmasters are about a thousand times more sensitive to possible CP than I've ever seen in the mainstream...except, possibly, for the extreme religious right...self-preservation, I know, but sometimes I think we're a bit self-defeating.

I honestly dont see a big issue with it, it's a lead in to a type of reality site, and I take it as nothing more than that. They dont show any actual "Babies" or "Children" at least from what I saw there, so I would simply take it as another "Reality" type of concept and leave it at that. I do also have a 3 year old daughter. Now on the other hand would I have come up with that site.... No.

I've always thought of Catholic schools as where they breed lesbians.

I dont like it either

and i really think a lot of this shock stuff is way out of hand

ya know its got to be bad when a bunch of pornogrphers are offended

My highschool experience was bit different. The Catholic School girls were always easy panty drops once you got them alone. The cheerleaders usually moved really well.

My reality was always the girls that dressed slutty were often just a tease but the plaid skirts meant an easy lay.

I'm with you, Sir Moby.

Take out the crib and stroller and any other inference that children are present.

Then it would be all good.

Hell, I've dated more than one guy who thought it would be all that for me to flounce around in a plaid skirt. And for at least one of them I've done it. :D

That isn't the issue for me. It's the suggestion of children being there while sex is taking place. That pushes it past the bounds of anything I would want to deal with.

That plus the graphic. That would have to go too.

As UW said, this could have been a cool concept, but it was ill-conceived, imho.

Well, you're a smooth operator that way. You probably didn't really bother with the slutty chicks, prefering more of a challenge. ;)

Actually, I have no idea. I went to a magnet school that catered to wannabe artists and geeky loners who were willing to (*gasp*) be bussed into a predominantly black neighborhood. Our cheerleaders were kick-ass dancers (we're talking future Solid Gold) who may or may not have been sluts, but you would have called one that to her face in peril of your life. Several of my friends were strippers (fake IDs, we though nothing of it - how times change...) and they were the last ones you'd expect to be getting nekkid for money. Hmm, yes, one was a fairly devout Catholic. Also very shy - she didn't make a lot of money. In fact I don't think she ever even made it onstage...ah, memories.

Oops, I'm dragging this way off topic. Sorry!

Well, somebody's got to do it.

I understand how this might have offended you, recently becoming a father and having a baby at home. My daughter's 14, and what you're experiencing, i'd say is part of fatherhood.

For what it's worth, if any; and everyone prolly knows this, but those scenes are all from ONE video. Babysitter #6 from 2001 (A.S. was 19 1/2). That video and the series, they're up to #19 now, are sold EVERYWHERE. The graphics on the site is, as was said before, attempting to create a setting for the content. In that regard, the cover of the video is much "worse". Not defending the site that's selling viewing rights of the clips, guess I'm just missing the point what that site has anything to do with anything that's relevant to the topic of the thin line between fantasy and reality when it comes to KP.

I knew right away what video you were talking about, and having a model looking like A.S. (back then), it would have been bad business not to put her in plaid skirt, pigtails and a lollipop.

BTW, this thread is #7 for "babysitter+aurora+snow", her official site being #1. - pretty cool

If its legal its legal ... if not then dont list it. Your sites your traffic, so your choice.

Most porn is a fantasy, and choosing which fantasy you will allow and which you wont is your choice as mostly link list owners. I dont like gay porn, I dont like mature porn or even bondage, and I find tranny porn and preggo porn repulsive, but its legal so I have no right to try and force my opinions on others and 'call them out' for having such sites.

I attended Catholic high school for freshman year only (got kicked out - no need to go into details - lol), but in the freshman class - this is 9th grade folks - we had 5 pregnant girls. The graduating class that year (12th grade) had over a dozen girls walk down the aisle to graduate that were way out pregnant. Back at the public school that I returned to the next year, there were three girls in the whole school that were pregnant over the course of the school year. BIG difference.

Anyway - I have to agree with everyone here - you are NOT over-reacting... everyone has to draw a line somewhere. THIS is your line. I think that's what I always liked best about the LL owner mentality - my list, my rules! lol List what you want and delete what you don't.

IMHO there are MUCH better ways that they could have marketed a babysitter-fantasy type niche. This is crossing MANY lines for me as well.

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I agree with LB 100%. GG mentioned that the model is well over the age. I am not sure showing crib is illegal or not. But if it is legal then, there is nothing in wrong in promoting it.
There are few big sponsors who got farm porn sites which implies beast, but actually no such content inside. This falls in the same category I feel.

But then it is your site and your traffic. You have the full freedome to decide which one to list. Like some Lnk Lists won't list gay sites.
Neo

Oh man... an animated baby bottle and a crib don't belong on a porn site.

But on the other hand I don't mind the whole babysitter thing, it's no different than promoting school girl uniform type sites. But you have to make it clear that the models are 18+.

The whole "daddy's got a secret" with rubber ducky's and baby bottles all over the place is a bit over the top IMO.