How Not To get listed
 

After a few admins this morning I gotta wonder what some of the free site makers are thinking :( Lets just say its pretty sad when you only list 24 sites out of 90 submits :( Whats the # 1 reason well there are many but most of them lack any originality at all just how many times can you list free sex pics come on folks. There is no major science to it three pages three adds each a recipt or so and bingo a free site but what I have been seeing dont even come close :( Am I alone here ?

i'd say you are probably in the majority..

i've been doing approvals for tpz for a few weeks now and some of the stuff coming through is horrible.. even the receipts are wrong.. at least 2 per review that have the receipt going to the submit page.. UH hello... |waves| or Goodbye..

and some of the stuff that wants to pass off as 'teen' is either pre-teen or borderline 30yr olds trying to pass..

*gawddess help i'm on a roll*..

how about the tranny submits that have no "surprise" in them.. we are suppose to Know they are 'trannys" cuz it says so on the banner???? show me some Dick baby, i'll take it anyway i can get it.. LMAO..

ok.. that's 3 kvetches.. rolled into 1..

|jester|

Submits have gotten much worse.

Best I can figure out is that there are a bunch of new webmasters getting in the biz who have no idea what they are doing.

I can see by this time next year all submitters needing an account to submit to my lists.

Damn and I though I was just being a prick. I only list a small fraction of what I get submited as well.

What really sucks is that I get the same people sumiting the same kind of stuff even after I have emailed them about why they are not getting listed.|sad|

After a few e-mails I add them to my ban list. :(

Cleo I am thinking is auto submits kind of reminds me how they started out with tgps then went out of control :(

I agree, by the time I shut the doors on SexySurfn TGP I had a BL well over 50k and growing daily. My current traffic pumps are closed to the general public. I was going to open several new ones they are ready to go, but I don't like what I'm seeing out there. I can see why most are partners now. Even the hun is preparing to change his subs.


As Cleo mentioned it's a bunch of new webmasters that don't care about anyone’s rules.

Yes Surfn your so right here the damn spam machines can kill a tgp adim in a day I have seen some do over a 100 close to 200 submits an hour :(

Thats pretty much where I am at.

Most change their damn emails like socks :(

This is one of the reasons you need to have IP level blocking, either single IPs or blocks. After I blocked off certain sections of Poland, Israel, and Russia, my submits came back down to much more normal levels.

Combine that with an itchy blacklist finger, the willingness to click the button to blow off all submits from an email address or IP, and such, and you can keep it somewhat under control.

I am sure that "type this in" systems like Tommy's or DangerDave's keep some of the riff-raff out, because they are too lazy to type anything.

I have one guy who has taken the top 100 search terms and is building sites with those names: "Free porn" "free sex" "teen sex" "cumshot pictures"... well, guess what? His submits appear to be excepted, but they are now just getting bit bucketed on the way by.

Oh yeah, one other good one is to check the reverse DNS for the IP submitting. If it comes back as the domain, or as a server, then you can be almost 100% assured that this was autosubmitted.

Alex

This post inspired me to head on over and see what sorts of sites have been accepted at LOR.

And I saw the description of one of my sites:

"Two Pages Of Some Rather Repetitive Shots Of This Wifey Sittin On A Chair"

:D

Box full of "deletes" down here too MML:(


Cleo I think some of it is longer term webmasters feeling the pinch too.

Lots of multi-submitters...:( false names and emails to get round the 1-2 per day rules.. get's them blacklisted here.


Alex, blocking IP's is the only way I have got things under control.. I had one guy complain after I blocked his IP... It was blocked after 80+ submissions were made.. of which ZERO were listed... and he complained he couldn't submit anymore.... |violin|

WOTD/Type-in variables definitely help.. but it's the 'human' filter that catches most...

I ban by DNS/Host now too... :(

DD

and DD i go look for your WOTD just to see if it's front or backward.. |jester|

I wish you know who in would do a WOTD hint hint :)

DNA samples, all submits must include a DNA sample.

I am also seeing a bunch of poor spelling / poor english sites, "hot lesbians in sex actions" type stuff... plus the boatloads of "mom fucks young boy", those are 100% declines.

I am starting to track some other variables on submits to see if there is a trend or pattern. I think I might have another way to block out some of the more useless ones.

Alex

One day MML :D

I think DNA is the answer Cleo.

docholly - I have fun thinking them up sometimes :)

Banning by nameserver saved me a lot of those crap submits Alex...

DD

As a newer webmaster, I have to say, this thread has given me hope...I submit to the majority of you (I'm new so it hasn't been a ton) but I have found no major problems with acceptance..other that the few stupid newbie mistakes that are easily fixable and one time is enough for me to learn from.

I don't submit to a ton of lists and I always try and dbl and triple check the rules and hand submit all free sites- the added time pays.

I've now started accepting submissions for my new thumb tgp - and I am beginning to understand how stupid mistakes and low quality can annoy the shit out of webmasters....

magpie

ya know paid submits would take care of all these problems

This is for the last 24 hours to the minute, Not just yesterday
481 Accepted submissions in the last 24 hours
972 Rejected submissions in the last 24 hours

That seems to be the way this biz is headed for now.

I think paid submits will open doors to other problems :(

Paid aint gonna fix it completely...

but it may help....

Got another idea that might work.. just too early to tell yet.. :D

DD

Another pain in the ass thing is when you see absolutely no recip link on the entire site when you specifficly asked for one on your signup page. If they are even to lazy or cheap to put up a link to a non sponsor site I almost start crying (I really do :) )

ya know what I find really annoying.....
is when my link is the only one there.

Dont ya just love it they made it just for you :)

I never tried that but I have had countless subs like that |pissed|

has anyone else seen a huge increase in freehosted submits again? I am seeing more and more third level domain stuff that turns out to be freehosting.

Two other things I am seeing alot of:

Mature women / young boy sites

redirectors to rape / snuff / abduction / confinement "fantasty" sites.

The entire 195.x.x.x block is going to be off my submit list soon... this stuff is sick.

Alex

yea they made it just for me.... how special

and i got a very special place to link those sites in return

that really annoys me.
nothing annoys me more then that

Dont ya even love it more when the do tommy.html and then greenguy.html and so on LOL

.and they think they have done all this extra special work for you... :(

DD

My blocked list and me are becoming best friends.

top problems?
 

Okay, as a newbie to feeder sites, I have a few questions...

What are the top problems we should avoid?

I'm surprised most are rejected, I mean how can that many people not follow simple guidelines? I've categorized all my submits by rules and there's 3 groups. Clean, clean with html galleries, and popup-friendly. Make sense?

Maybe what we need here is a major overhaul in how they're accepted. It sounds to me like you have 2 problems.

1 - Idiots that can't follow the rules and/or auto-submit
2 - Long-term webmasters over-submitting the 2/day rule

Instead of approving site by site, why not approve by webmaster, maybe even a global approval thing. Similar to the blacklist, but approved webmasters. Increase the amount of submits allowed so serious webmasters can make serious money. But make it harder for idiots to get approved.

Sandwalker, if people were just 1% off of what I wanted, I might let it go. Most of the link sites around there parts have simple rules, 3 sponsor links per page, return links, a couple of other return links on the same page, reasonable size pics, no blind links or blind thumbs, etc. Not rocket science.

No, the biggest problem is people who mass produce hundreds of sites or doorways, and use various automatic and semi automatic tools to throw that at as many links sites as they can manage. They have sites filled with money bars, redirects, blind links, blind thumbs, banners that look like thumbs, multi enter links on the index page that go to sponsors, and a total dog's breakfast of other things that are specifically listed in the rules of most places as "do not do this".

Combine that with the people who make GREAT sites... and then an hour after listing pull the site and redirect the traffic directly to a sponsor or a console hell.

Get rid of those two things, and my review process just got 99% easier.

Alex

One thing that annoys the piss out of me if when I see an autosubmitted but my link on the same page as a linklist that has been out of business for years. You will be bound for the blacklist.

Really you can put abou every LL worth submitting to all together on the same page and submit if you do it neatly. There's only about 20 of them.

IMHO Sandwalker, the reason so many submits get rejected is because the rules make sure that sites must be more surfer friendly, and harder to make money from.

A lot of webmasters try to stretch the rules, or just outright break them, in order to make more $. But in the long run, linklists listing sites with redirects and blind links will lose traffic and everyone misses out.

I am so glad to see so many here speaking out and hitting the nail on the head :) I often think about buying readtherules.com LOL But that is the bottom line the link list is listing your site for free at least you can follow the rules if that site dont fit your style find another on there are thousands of them :)

I'm a submitter, not a TGP owner (except for my own 'hub' page). I have looked at several of the auto-submitters (they were advertised on TGP sites!!) and didn't think much of them. Some were very complicated to figure out how to use. And for my niche, Gay Ebony and Gay Interacial, well, most of the TGP's the submitters utilize are straight porn sites, many are low traffic and don't even have a gay category. I have tried Cliff's TGP Thingy at shavenferret.com but got poor results out of that, too.

So I just hand submit. It takes all damn day, but I can cherry pick the right TGP's and make sure to have my page right for that TGP.

Still have never gotten on to the Hun.
|afro|

I get a lot where my recip is 'teamed up' with asianxxx (on non asian sites) & azescort (I've not been able to find any evidence that they link to free sites)...

I even added a rule about it - lol - what a waste of time that was!

I see a lot of the mature woman / 'young boy' stuff & a lot of hidden spam which almost always includes some cp term or other... do they think we can't read?

I also get a lot of really crappy ten mile long metatags, titles & descriptions and site names / descriptions which have absolutely sod all to do with the site content!

Last but not least for me - my most often broken rule - hardcore images on the index page... (even 'old hands' slip up in this area from time to time).

The sad thing is - right now - I no longer enjoy dealing with submissions & I do find myself searching for any little excuse to refuse a site - which is not the right attitude really! |sad|