general comments / questions from a newb
 

holy f... and i thought looking for porn on the web was overwhelming!

this is my first serious look into the adult industry, and getting info from adult webmasters is like looking for a snowflake in a lake effect squal coming off erie. (wny'ers will get it ;) )

ive been in the mainstream design and production of interactive and web for about 6 years, and thinking of diving into the industry. me and a few others are planning on hitting this from many angles, creating content, working tgps to help traffic, and another area (ill get more into it as we get closer to lauch)

i joined here because i remember greenguy from one of the first days i browsed the web for porn oh-so-many years ago (actually, i just thought it was kool he was from buffalo)

besides here, what other sources of information should i be checking out? ive already chosen to go with ccbill for our billing, ive got a lawer working on contracts, and i have a gallery system my programmer and i built. i want to drive traffic to my site as well as create a kinda (ive only seen one other like it) uniqe tgp that will drive content around. i need help in avoiding the cheaters and scumbags that are sure to try to take advantage of lil ol me.

i guess if this were a mob flick, i would be 'asking for a sponser'

hope it wasnt too wordy for a first post ;)

Welcome to GG&Jim's.

What exactly is your question? ;)

fantastic.. the only thing with a question mark in there is 'where else to find info' .. yeah, im a tool ;)

well, were going to play and get our feet wet this weekend. im going to throw up a quick tgp and see what happens. whats the deal with trades? and does my ccbill account have to be set up and running before i see any cash? (and im ont really expecting any for a while)

Oh boy... :D

A TGP doesn't need a biller, such as CCBill. A TGP (Thumb Gallery Post) lists gallery pages which are either submitted by other webmasters or provided by your sponsors. Galleries which are provided by sponsors are known as FHGs (Free Hosted Galleries).
Here is GG&Jim's monster list of sponsors that you can sign up with. http://www.greenguysboard.com/resour...ors/index.html

Personally, if I were you, I'd do a lot more research before I'd bother starting any type of site. There's a lot more to it than meets the eye.

good advise - you should listen to him :)

welcome to the board man

thats why im still-a-diggin

i found my tgp answers here - http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=17887
didnt realize that they actually send checks at those levels, not dump them into an account.

we were going to the ccbill setup for a content site were going to create (i have a few non-nude over 18 models)

but im also reading that going with an AVS to start that may be a better idea (insteaed of ccbill)?

(btw, the abuse.. yeah i need it.. theres still a ton to learn)

nub, how long have you been doing research into the adult side of things? It is VERY different from mainstream marketing, at least when you're first starting out. And just when you have everything figured out, it all changes. ;)

One thing that I've learnt from the adult boards is that not many mainstream w/ms hack it in adult, but a lot of adult w/ms do well in mainstream. Adult is a hard world where everyone thinks that the money is easy. When they discover that it's "easy go" rather than "easy come", a lot of them turn to cheating, which makes it even harder for everybody else.

You kinky bastard!

But I don't think that you have been abused...yet. ;)

i guess you can say as long as ive been looking at porn on the net...hehe. actually, ive been reading more and more about it over the past 6 months, ever since we took over our own company. im in a production lull now and for the past 2 weeks ive been very serious about the research. the one thing ive learned about any marketing on the web since day one, it changes every morning ;) im sure that its like that 10-fold in this industry. ive always been asked by friends, etc, 'why dont you do porn sites? i would love to help..' well, now im going to see whos real and whos full of it. the one thing i can easily dedicate to getting this right before i spend ANY money is spend time learning.

i think the perception out there for mainstreamers is, put up a site, hook up some links and wait for the clickthroughs to pour in. sure, that works for my nyc clients who have major sponsers and are selling known products. ive been browsing porn for over 12 years, i think i stopped clicking on banner ads afer 2 months, and ive never paid for a porn site. so i understand the difficulties of making it work. and, im one of those anal-retentive bastards that overplans everything. like i mentioned earlier, to play around a bit, and not spend anything but time to learn, im going to throw up a quick tgp over the weekend, see how the scripting is working for these systems already in place and learn from it. weve decided to do this for the long haul, because one thing thats difficult in the mainstream is going through those lulls in work. it would be nice to have something always going on in the background streaming in "some" kind of revenue, even if it is a trickel for a while.


there is no try, there is only do...

Hey nub - where in Buffalo do you live?

I'm down in Orchard Park, but I grew up in Lackawanna & lived in Blasdell for a few years.

yeah, like i need another stalker ;)

im actually in the city (south), grew up next to the broadway market .. ill be there this morning getting chocolate dipped strawberries from my brothers stand.

As well as a couple of Lamb shaped butters for Sunday? :D

platsik, kruchiki, kielbasa, pirogies... the works ;)

You're gonna be just fine. |thumb

i think i know these things :D

I'm thawing out some kielbasa now. It's about 2.5 inches in diameter. Can't wait to throw it into some sauerkraut. (spelling?)

Thawing? wow.... that almost sounds sacrilege ;) i guess im just lucky enough to live in an area where you can get polish sausage made fresh or smoked daily. now for some more polish fun, today we'll be out at the bars celebratein Dyngus Day. (pretty much the polish st pattys day)


but enough talk of my sausage.

we ran our little tpg site test and everything went fine. no major surprises. next is testing some of our own gallery software.

on the content front, i have a few interviews with some amateur models. i resisted the temptation of going to stripclubs to ask girls, or calling modeling agencies. (thanks to the advise on many posts on the subject) so were going with 'friends of a friend' who have shown previous interest. in case anyones wondering, we're going after the non-nude over 18 niche market.

so, hopefully in a few months, with a couple of content sites in place, some tgp and ll work to steer traffic around and a little piece of unique software we are lauching soon, we should be slowly moving on up.

i forsee many long nites and headaches ahead.. wish me luck ;)

One should never resist the temptation to watch naked women dance.

Just a little business advice. |thumb

i never said i didnt go.. i just resisted the temptation to ask ;)

nub are you Pole? I see you know a bit of us :D

polish through and through.. still call my grandmother babcia, my grandfather dzadza... etc..

Hi nub :)
You may come to find .htaccess useful in the near future, therefore I'd forget using NT hosting. Apache is the way to go. Just thought I'd mention that before you get too far down the line.

I don´t, please explain |waves|

To answer your question. Starting a paysite is not as easy nowadays as it used to be. Some "non nude models" won´t make it, I´m afraid. First thing is that you have to convince them doing porn, not an easy part.

Reading is one thing, doing it another. If I were you, I would try something traffic building before launching a paysite.

A nice thing to learn about paysites is building one with deluxepass or another one like them. there you can try out what will work without high costs.

Sauerkraut = correct |pink

great points frankthetank.

we are going with 2 models to start. they were comfortable going the full nude route, so convincing them that taking a step back and doing non-nude will work for them (i personally wouldnt use them for non-nude if i didnt think they had the talent to pull it off)

my programmer is currently playing with the building traffic model to see if we can stand on our own 2 feet. (not falling over yet)

as far as going with deluxepass or adultcheck... how different is the business model than doing it on your own?
any advice on the subject would be aweseome.

we have no 'real' timeframe as far as when we need to see money coming in. were piggybacking on our already existing hosting costs (we host our own sites), and until the traffic dictates we need to move to a dedicated server, etc.. we wont allow the additional expense. the programming and design work is all on our own time. the only 'cost' i forsee coming up is the setup of our pay accounts, and paying the models to shoot (which we are doing ourselves as well)

we trying to build this thing slowly so we dont burn out our time and pocketbooks.
were going to try and roll this thing out so it pays for itself as it goes, if we make profit on it in the first 6 months to a year? kool.. if not.. fine, as long as we dont lose more than the time spent on it.

great advice, and with all the reading ive been doing on places like fusker and the like stealing content, its becoming more apparent that protecting your content is more difficult than ever.

one thing thats getting to me though.. even if youre allowing certain domains the referrer on your content, what happens to the malicous affiliates who then resend your content out. to quote lil jimmy norton - 'it stinks and i dont like it'

theres a few more security issues that need to be looked into, but were learning as we go. the gallery software will be beta on monday and we'll start our testing then.

Deluxepass offers hosting, billing and content. They offer an affiliate program, too. So you can build a site, let a designer make the site, tours and galleries. You don´t have to worry about the content, though you can put own content on your website as well.

I started with a webcam community in Europe, totally different from the US market. For example: an average of 32 user per day generates about 1200 € per month. This is of course not what the webmaster earns.

So I built a deluxepass site and I´m watching it for a while, learning about US market. First thing I learned was that you need a much higher amount of visitors to generate even one sale.

Models are important, of course. But first you have to decide which content you want to produce. For example it is not the same thing to get a model into b/g scene as into a watersports one.

If you want to build a site around one single model, the girl must have something special. But there you are in danger that the model will quit her job, so you have to have enough content to update your site for some time.

The big boys offer a great variety of niches, so your paysite must be different from the mainstream sites unless you are able to offer diversification, too.

So I think playing around with a little site isn´t the worst idea befoore you are building a big own paysite.

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http://www.deluxepass.com/webmasters/index.php

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