Is this ethical to put your tgp archive behind an avs?
 

Someone suggested it to me and I am not quite sure... tho I have my archives from mid-July 2004 when I launched my site.

Your input is welcome :)

If you are promoting any of your own sponsors within those archives you'd most likely be in violation of their program terms by placing access behind an AVS.

So true... I really appreciate your advice.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. I know a lot of sponsors that provide free content don't want it used on AVS sites, but I don't think that's what you're referring to. Would you kindly explain? And forgive me if I've misunderstood.

I see his point.. so I think I should go through the archives and ask the permission of my sponsors first.. since they own the content. If I am using my content to promote them that may be considered as an upsell?

I always figured this was one of the primary reasons to do avs...to upsell qualified surfers. Can't see how a sponsor wouldn't like this kind of traffic.

Bummer... I am confused now :D

I'd be interested to hear what a few sponsors have to say about the idea. Just a "gut" feeling, but I don't think they're going to appreciate the difference between building an AVS site with their content, and having their content within free site/gallery archives of LL or TGP that is behind an AVS.

*Using our site as an example here*

Just so I fully understand what you are asking, you are asking if it's ok to put our TGP's/content that you used to promote us in the past, behind a password so people will pay you to see it correct?

If this is the case I say no, our content is for us to make money off of, and we are giving you 50% to promote it, if you put it behind a password and then charge money to see it you are making money off of our copyright material which I would not see any cut of.

Is this what you were asking?

Yes Torn... and thanks for clearing it for me.. I asked a few sponsors and it is fine with them while some said no but I won't redo my tgp just for this... it is much easier to build a new avs with my own content.

Torn....I respect your view and it being your tos etc - it's your content - your rules, but I am curious as to why you wouldn't want someone to promote your site using galleries which promote your site to a surfer who has proven he's willing to whip out the plastic when he gets horny enough?

It's been awhile since I've build any avs sites but the content pages in an avs site is normally used to promote/upsell other sponsors or a premium avs membership no? I thought that was the whole concept of the avs system...apart from the odd avs membership sale.

Hmmm, after more thought I’m not so sure I would say no in the right situation.

The “issue” is would our TGP and other TGP’s be the main feature to this AVS, in your scenario it sounds like they would be, so I would say no to that.

But if you had a solo girl site for instance, and she was the main feature and advertised as such, and you wanted to add some “bonus content” inside the member’s area which would be a TGP with links to us etc, I do not have an issue with that, since the site is not built on our content.

Am I making sense?

yep CelticTiger, I have been thinking more of the idea, and at first I only saw it in one way and not the other, I hope I made a better point with my last post.

Toby,

I am using my own content in at least 50% of my galleries promoting sites, be it hardcore, stockings, teen softcore or hardcore and so on.

But it's just me, some people prefer listing only their FHGs, skim, have blind links up while I am doing it oldschool.

Way much work but can I have 7-800 submissions per day, I still am very picky and and always have some of my galleries at hand.

Yes you make sense Torn... :)

yeah - I agree with you....you wouldn't want your content to be a main feature on the site....I was thinking along the lines of a few galleries from a number of different sponsors etc.

MMM AVS as it use to be a way to pre-qualify your traffic it would be a great idea all you would be doing is allowing only surfers who have a cc to see it but that was in the older model nowadays who knows :)

Ages ago, I convinced a Sponsor program to use AVS on their tour. They supported a dozen AVSs or so, and weren't using AVS as a profit center.

The concept was:

Pull surfers out of the tour that have proven that they have used a credit card on the net
Put more extreme stuff out there that you could never put on the tour.

It worked extremely well until they got greedy and used an AVS that noone had heard of then told me that my concept was crap.

It is in some sponsors TOS whether you can, or cannot require a user to provide an email address to access your site (or similar). So I'd say just check the TOS before you join, and once per month.

Thats my thought, avs traffic is pretty good, least use to be, better than many other forms of traffic as they are proven buyers. As mentioned, suprized sponsors would not want that quality of traffic. Course it's their content, their right.

Also, for most avs sites, besides the premium ones, all avs members have access to the site. It would not be like making money off every person that entered the avs site.

ronnie

Nah it is not enough.. if I ever decide to go this way I'll contact the sponsors first and ask their written permission. Better safe than sorry.

I wouldn't want my content being used to make the sale but if you want to put links to my hosted galleries behind an AVS then by all means, YES.

I would much rather have AVS surfers hitting my hosted galleries then TGP surfers.

If I understand correctly then what you will have is links and not a bunch of sponsor content.

Mine is a thumb tgp which converts much better than links for me... but basically yes.

I would have just done it and never asked

any one sponsor is gonna represent such a small % of the gallerys on the tgp
and if we are talking about hosted gallerys.. well then...

Digifan.. avs is the best traffic, whoever tells you different doesnt know what they are talking about

the avs company is gonna be sending sufers to your tgp everyday
credit card carrying surfers and those surfers use those cards to buy porn on the internet

sufers that buy upsells
surfers that recur a long time

if your using somones content then you premote them to the best of your abilty
it is none of their buisness where your traffic comes from

of course this is just my 2 cents

And your two cents is worth much more to me than others' 200 bucks Tommy :)

I agree the best thing in avs is the surfer who has a cc and ready to buy.. |thumb

Yep = I did it on 3xSeries.com back in 1999, and the guy who bought it from me continued doing so for several years...

Though, I used to pep it up a little: not only archived submissions, but also the best of my "Galleries of The Week" (I used to have one series gallery on the top of my TGP, fresh content with clean images and little advertising, old ones went into the AVS archive), and then to get these series images in higher resolution (which I didn't publish for free) you had to upgrade to premium AVS (my own upsell) - that worked well back then, but [quote MrMaryLou] "nowadays who knows"

Back in the day I use to have like 100 avs entrances for Tommys Bookmarks

15 to 20 hits a day of good traffic for each doorway

of course today it isnt like that but...

Use to be able to do alot with AVS's, you cant do or dont work any more. Alot of the traffic sure dried up.

ronnie

I claim: Any sponsor who do not want their free content used behind a password in a avs site don't know how to make money.

And like Tommy said - I would never have asked because I could never imagine that a sponsor didn't want that to happen.

I started with AVS 3 years back when Jeff from Karups adviced me to use content from karupspc in avs sites as its the best traffic. Today the traffic quality from avs is still good compared to all other free places eventhough the avs companies are fewer.
Traffic is low but it converts. I found 3 good avs and thats fine.

Check the terms for this sponsor. AVS are mentioned specifically.

http://www.naughty4cash.com/terms.htm

In fact, I find similar statements within the terms of many of the sponsors I promote, which is what prompted my inital response to this topic.

If you're using purchased content to build the AVS, and only linking banners etc. to the sponsor, that's an entirely different critter. I don't think any sponsors would have issues with that.

Good advice and I see your point:) I am always checking the tos first and contact the program owners and I am not using their free content except when it is exclusive. It gets over saturated too fast.

I promote mostly single girl amateur sites. Using purchased content isn't really an effective option in that case.

I have been thinking about building some galleries and free sites with purchased content and sending the traffic to my "hub site", where I have categorized sponsor galleries.

Toby, I am a bit surpriced I admit. I never thought any sponsor would have an attitude like that. So the sponsor do not care their content is seen over and over again on TGP's but on sites where members have proved to have a CC and have proved to be willing to pay for porn, they do not want traffic? Its a bit strange but so be it.
For niche sites its easier to sell a site when You show some of the stuff for that site. Ex. If You sell Max Hardcore its easier with moviesamples and pics showing some of his extreme stuff.
And if You sell a facial gangbang site like cum on her face its easier to sell it by using cum on her face content and I have no doubt that these big sites and many many others accept their content used on avs sites.

Northeu

It's a different world when it is you, your wife, husband, whoever is the one in the pics.

When you pay a model or buy content you see it as just content. But when it's your life in those pictures you see it as your life and want total control over it, and want to make sure you are not being represented in ways where it’s you who is looking bad.

Now I answered at first without fully thinking it out, and the more I thought of it the more open to the idea I am, but I think I would still be leery of it, (if I did not know the person using it) since I can not see how the content is being used.

What good is that sale to me when the customer could be subjected to false advertisement, installers or whatever else that could happen and wants to charge back? Who is he going to blame, some site with 100’s of other sites or the site he joined expecting one thing and getting another?

I appreciate your comment about your wife, relative etc. promoted properly.

But you cannot meet each and and every webmaster... and if it is an avs you can always ask for a U/P to see how the content is promoted or buy one and check it out yourself anytime without a warning. By some site with 100's of other sites you mean the avs, correct?

Now if a tgp archive is behind the avs, it is listing tgp galleries promoting sponsors and upsells and I have no idea why a tgp gallery sale would end in a chargeback?

You can get exploits, installers anytime without joining an avs... here is just one example, all this problem caused by a hitbotter recently.
http://www.webhelper4u.com/CWS/cwshotoffers41105.html

The tgp archive behind an avs is a good theory but in todays market you would be hard pressed to find an avs (for lack of a better term since avs as is was is dead) that would even let you even use them :(

I dont wanna seem like I am picking on you but....

does that mean if I have an avs or a paysite
I cant even run your banners inside it ??

no text links .. nothin

My case is special then, I was invited by the owner of the avs to do it... actually it was his idea.

I never said that Tommy and I also do not feel like I am being picked on. |peace|

What I was referring to is, using my content, what is going to stop someone from advertising that she takes 2 dicks in her ass and does ATM, (which she doesn’t do), I’ve seen a site advertise her as that and I had it stopped.

Speaking as someone whose wife is the content as well as being in the content myself; I think you are going to be far more protective of how your content is used when it’s your life in those pictures and not just “a job”, and knowing that it is not always about the money.

If it is my hosted galleries I have no issue with it being used, but hosted galleries were never mentioned so I am referring to downloaded content. If some “unknown” wrote me asking me for content so he can put it behind a AVS I am going to have to think about it for a while to see what is in my best interest, which isn’t always the $.

And they have no probs at all... I just referred him a friend who had the content but not enough money to start a pay site and pay the $750 or 700 to Visa and with only a few hard link trades, without any significant traffic the guy made 49 sales in his first period.