F**k the K**s! (rant)
 

F**k the K**s!

You know what? I am so sick and tired of everything being about “protecting the children”…just yesterday I saw three glaring examples of how the government has to get involved because PARENTS SUCK:

1. The 2257 Law: You let the internet into your home, if you have kids under 18 – put a filter on that computer…there are a million solutions out there and a lot of them are FREE – just because you are too lazy to do that does not mean that you need the government to regulate a legitimate industry into oblivion!

2. Steroids and Baseball: The Republicans are heavily involved in enforcing mandatory steroid testing in baseball because it might send “the wrong message to the kids” – why don’t parents just talk to their kids about steroids and explain that they make you insane and shrinks your dick up? Or don’t let them read Jose Conenose’s book?

3. The Star Wars Toy @ Burger King: A number of consumer watchdog groups have come out in arms against Burger King because they put a toy in their happy meals that was from a PG-13 movie! Oh no, not PG-13…when have we turned into such a bunch of wimps?

Yeah, that’s right I said it “F**k the K**s” – every time the government wants to overstep their bounds and try to regulate our private lives they have to bring up “the kids” – well, I think that is a bunch of bullshit! Every time anyone brings “the kids” up – everyone backs down and that is just plain spineless! If you are under 18, you have a parent or guardian -- they are the ones that should be protecting you from the evils of the outside world…if you are under 18 and living on the streets you have much bigger things to worry about than porn, steroids, or Star Wars toys.

I went over this website with a fine-tooth comb:
http://www.moralityinmedia.org/

They seemed to have a million ideas about how to stop porn or bad TV, but never once did they mention WHAT YOU CAN DO AS A PARENT to keep you kids from these kinds of materials.

How the DOJ is getting the idea to link the mainstream porn industry with CP is just beyond me. CP has no place in the legit porn business -- we know it and the Feds know it. We probably do as much (or more) to police the internet for CP than the government…look at ASACP, for example.

The bottom line is parents need to start being parents and not be looking to an increasingly right wing government to legislate away anything that you don’t want you kids exposed to.

And the government needs to stop using “the children” or “the kids” to carry out their extreme right wing agenda. Just come out and say it, “We, the government, would like to rid the internet of all dirty pictures…” – I would have more respect for them if they would just do that -- stop using children as an excuse!

We don’t like being lied to and neither does the kids.

Ok, that is my rant for now.

Hey xxxjay,

Hear hear and a VERY big amen to that!

Regards,
SF

Jay, lucky we are not GFY :) I saw your ordeal over there :)

Good concept, bad choice of words.

(I'm the one that edited it if you want to yell at anyone)

I was just thinking that the title should be Fuck the Parents. Of course, you then run the risk of sounding incestuous. I suppose it's ok as long as they aren't your own parents.

yeah, its true man.... i h8 to see that protect the children shit when it comes to porn. why?

1) we as porn peddlers don't want kids on our sites anyhow (this is a fucking business; a kid can do nothing but raise my costs... they don't own credit cards)
2) its never been proven porn damages kids mentally (if it did, my sneaky ass would b 1 fucked up dude)
3) most of us don't even promote or link to anything even implying "underage" (including teen shit) just cuz we don't wanna be associated with that market

but hey... its america & there's a whole list of bullshit i can write about when it comes to the hypocrisy that has overtaken my country (which is y i live in thailand ;))

good post jay.... change the wording to the fuck the parents & u r on point



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The woman who lives across the street from me, she knows that I sell porn, told me that she is afraid that her teenage son might be looking at online porn. So I explained that she should put blocking software on her son's computer. She said that she didn't want the hassle and expense of buying and installing software.

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Yeah that pretty much sums up my thoughts too.

Makes me wonder why I go through the trouble of putting tags on all my pages labeling it as for over 18 surfers.

Is the software that expensive? Parents need to take responsiblity for themselves and stop blaming.

Expensive? Hell, IE & AOL have it built in - my kids don't have access to a lot of things - the only pain is when, with IE, there's no "rating" o the site & they try to look up movie times & I have to type in the password so they can look at the site.

The software is cheap, $25 to $40, but most teenagers are smart enough to disable it anyway.

I have a client with two teenage sons. Accessing porn online isn't an issue. What is a major problem is all the nasty spyware and virii that they manage install while looking for hacked game programs and free music.

Teenagers are going to find a way to look at porn. In my teenage days it was find Dad's stash of magazines. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Actually, I think IE has PICS rating built in. So, if adult sites policed themselves by putting PICS ratings in the html, http://www.w3.org/PICS/, it would cost nothing.

There are other blockers out there. Newer netgear routers include a filter that is pretty darn easy to set up. There is a minimal subscription cost for it.

There are a number of blocking programs that range in price from $9.95 to $89.95 with the average probably hitting $29.95. Some require subscriptions to access databases that are updated, i.e. the old beverly project which was later replaced by the library project that became the basis for NetNanny.

http://www.icra.org/
http://www.cybersitter.com/ ($39.95 for US Residents)
http://www.cyberpatrol.com/ ($39.95 for US residents)
http://www.safesurf.com/ (You register your adult domains here, libraries and other organizations use this data. Some ISPs subscribe)

These are just a few.

No it isn't expensive at all. Not to mention the lady lives across the street from me, I live in an expensive neighborhood and she drives a brand new BMW, so she isn't hurting for money anymore then anyone who's bills are all paid and their biggest money worry is how they can afford the new toy that they want to buy.

I do my part, I put adult labels on all of my pages, what else am I suppose to do?

People that want to delegate raising of their offspring by forcing their values on society should also go after other harmful things.

Food ads, every time I see an ad on TV I want to snack on something, hello we are fat as a whole and being fat is not healthy.

Alcohol ads, I don't drink myself but I know lots of people who abuse alcohol.

Cigarettes, not a whole lot of ads for them anymore, but still some. Cigarettes have been proving to kill, enough said.

Motorcycles, probably the most dangerous way to travel. I see my mortgage payment endangered every time FoxyAngel goes cruising around town on hers.

Gambling, I remember days when I didn't have to wait in line at the local 7/11 while blue haired ladies do scratch off cards at the register.

Guns, hello they are designed to kill people. I've been a shooting victim myself.

The world is a dangerous place. The only thing we do is show sex. Sex, the thing that without there wouldn't be a human race.

Jay
I agree 100%. Too many people want to blame us. Monitor your kids!!!!!!! My 14 year old is NOT allowed to have his computer in his room. Period. No way in hell will it ever be.

Geez..it's very easy to keep your kids in check if you just put a little effort into it. I have one child left that is not an adult yet only 17.

This may sound weird to you all but I don't mind my kids after the age of 16 seeing some porn. I have offered them magazines, movies that I review and pick out. I've always been very open and they always knew they could ask me anything. By offering them porn that in my mind is considered the "norm" I know that they don't have the need to look at some of the "sick" stuff online. I can't control what they do at someone else's home. But I can install morals and right from wrong in them. That is my job as a parent. Not someone online who has to go threw all this crap now because the goverment is using them as an excuse.

None of my kids are sexual preverts because they have been exposed to porn. They are happy, "normal" people.

I don't understand the parents that bitch about all this stuff. If you have kids take the time to TALK to them. And quit blamming online porn, tv,video and music for messing them up.

Boy that touched a nerve in me! Sorry for the rant...couldn't help myself...... |peace|

Damn it! |angry|
I thought that this was gonna be a thread about NWA songs.

I was WAY off.
|peace|

What Pisses me off is with the new 2257 I have to post my address for the fuckin holy rollin bible thumping radicals to see so they can come to my house and protest Well My kids liv here I work in a locked office in my house so my kids are never around it . But what will i tell em when Jeremiah the bible thumping fuck face comes to my door with his band of followers thinking that will be a free ticket to heaven to give shit to a Porn pusher.

And Cleo about the cigarette and alchohol ads thats good but ya know I know 1 person that have died from lung cancer and 1 from emphysema But I know 20 people that have died from alchohol either cirrhosis or Drunk drivers but ya see the Govt doesnt stop those alchohol ads.

I always thought parents should setup a router with all IPs/hosts blocked excluding 'safe' ones. Give the kids access to sites like National Geographic, whatever. Find a service online that allows you to customize a page with bookarks so the kids can access them from one spot or create an HTML doc with the safe links and drop it on their desktop.

I don't think anyone has ever died from seeing too much porn.

^ I do realize the little bastards can get crafty and bypass the router completely. You would probably need to keep it somewhere where they won't be tampering with it. They'll find their way around anything given enough time. I was one of those crafty little basards who could steal cigarettes from their mother's still-sealed packages of cigarettes without her ever knowing. I could make James Bond scratch his head in amazment when I needed nicotine.

// Gave cigarettes up 6 or 7 years ago.

Sounds like you know a lot of people with drinking problems. :D

I think this is a great thread that proves although some of us disagree on finer points, (see original thread title & revised title) we all seem to agree that parents need to take at least some responsibility with their offspring's online actions, rather than waiting for the US government to step in.

I read this just after it was posted, and was thinking about it whilst in the shower, (Hey, not in that way!!!) and while thinking about it came to the same conclusion as was mentioned earlier - fuck the parents. Or more accurately, fuck the parents that cannot be bothered to help their offspring. That's not to say I didn't agree with Jay's views, - hell - I think you're (Jay) pretty much on the same wavelength as most of us out here, 'cept maybe we can't express it in the way we would like.

I also did think, and please please if you are from the US don't take this the wrong way, that it's kind of the culture that is abundant nowadays, mainly from the 'compensation crowd' that refuses to take blame or consequences as a result of it's own actions. For example, a bag of peanuts needs to have stated that 'this product contains peanuts' etc. because there are too many people unwilling to take responsibility for their own actions or inactions.

I think that's a damn good post by Jay, and although I'd have titled it as UW - Fuck The (lazy assed) Parents I gotta agree 100% with the rationale behind it.

Just my 2cents on it :)

I am a mother of 4 boys 15-3 years of age also a webmistress. Parents need to get off their lazy asses and moniter what their children are doing on the computer. My children use my computer I have no passwords, I just pay attention and know what they are doing on it. People have just become lazy and think that the government needs to raise their children for them.

Sparky, that PICS page is just incomprehensible.

I've been saying for years that if the government or ICANN or somebody would define a simple "kep the kids off this page" meta tag, every decent adult webmaster in the world would be happy to use it.

But I have no idea what that PICS tag is supposed to be. Whatever it is, it sure as fuck does not look simple.

Can you interpret?

Jay, you are my hero!! Your post said exactly what I scream about (to anyone who will listen) when I'm not chained to this damned computer.

My mother has been a licensed childcare provider for over 30 years and we have this conversation on the average of once a week anymore. The bullshit that passes for childrearing these days makes me want to hurl... people spend more time teaching their dog to do tricks than they do teaching their offspring how to be decent human beings with some respect for themselves, others, and the rules. Too many parents nowadays want the tax deduction or the status symbol... anything and everything but the responsibility of being a parent.

I too have a teenaged son, and you can bet your ass I know EXACTLY what he is doing when he's online. I still say I'd rather have him see a little sex or nudity than to have him exposed to a two-hour movie in which there is nothing but mindless, unnecessary, unrealistic ass-kicking and gun fights going on. Porn is hands down the friendlier option IMHO.

That's what I am saying. There are so many alternatives...if some parent really was that concerned about their kids being able to access my site...I would buy it for them and install it.

Ain't that the truth...I did the same thing.

you want to f**k k**s? that's just wrong man!
(edited by greenguy)

This has nothing to do with CP though...this has everything to do with invasion of privacy. The government doesn't care about CP, what they care about is how far they can overreach their boundaries, how far they can bend constitutional rights regarding unlawful search and seizure.

Look at parts of the 2257...it says if an investigator comes to your place to check your records they can also, "These regulations do not restrict the otherwise lawful investigative prerogatives of an investigator while conducting an inspection."

I'm curious how invasive these inspections will be. Will it be some guy in a suit that will just go over your records or will it be a swat team, lol.

I did see a guy one time who died while jerking off to a porn magazine. Rigor motis had set in and the EMTs had to break his fingers to get it off his penis.

But anyways... I don't believe in the software either. Stand over your kids and watch what the fuck they are going too! Parents now a days let too much other stuff worry about their kids! They need to take control over what they do, not some software! Once parents start learning about being parents again, we won't have to worry about this!

And as far as CP... if the government actually cared about it, then they would stiffen the penalties not try to eliminate porn. Personally I think it should be the death penalty if you are caught doing CP. Won't have to worry about those sorry mother fuckers doing it anymore! Of course, as a reponsible parent, if I caught any one doing something like that to my kid, I would probably kill them myself!

Hey Jay,

You've put into words exactly how I've felt. I've tried to say it recently but not as eloquently as you manged.

Truth is its time they stopped hiding behind this shield to achieve their christian right goals. Its persecution at its finiest.

Thanks man! :)

Hey Asshole - why do you think I edited the title & original post?

Even in jest, it's not fucking funny.

Yeah, maybe I could have picked a better title, but then again, I wanted something contreversial so people would read it too.

I agree with GG on this one though.

Hey Bill,

If you would like to use the PICS meta tag on your site you need to go to...

http://www.icra.org

and/or

http://www.safesurf.com

and rate your web site or domain.

Regards,
SF

i have a whole disclaimer on my site that discusses having frank and open dialogue with your children.

disclaimer

I even offered to the parents to let ME do the discussing. We've come a long way only to be stuck back in the closet.

What i find most amusing is that the majority of voters are children of the 60's and 70's who came of age during the free love years, now they are screaming because they are afraid of what their teenager MIGHT see? Oh PULEASE!!

Right on Jay.. I've always said, parents should have to take a test before being allowed to be parents. Kind of like drivers ed.

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Which is why "protecting the kids" is such bull manure. Yes, a filter to keep little 8-year-old Sally from seeing reality porn when she's looking up information on fairy tales is a great thing and should be used and encouraged. But any good Republican businessman is gonna tell you that you can't "protect" someone from a commodity that they are deliberately seeking (like 16-year-olds looking for nekkid pictures). That's a whole different thing, and the fact that the government and the fundamentalist moralists treat them as exactly the same "problem" is either stupidity or being deliberately deceptive.
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Let me add some input...
 

I'm happy to say that I have a very happy sexual life, but still I'm jerking off since kindergarten and I really don't get why are kids not allowed to watch porn?!?

When I watched porn for the first time I was probably about 11-12 years old when I catched by incident the dirty movies after midnight on TV1000. At first I was very afraid and disgusted from what I saw, no matter that I was jerking off on a regular basis for about 4-5 years already (my big fetish were tits, but pussy - what is that?!?).

After a few months, the interested started to rise... I started watching the late TV1000 XXX show more occasionally and I really liked it, it helped my imagination grew stronger and stronger. That was my best AND only sexual education. The fact is that when I was 16 and had Internet access I spent a lot more time in reading info and doing things, instead of watching porn - I wasn't so interested, because it was old news for me.

Well, I guess I'm a crazy prick that has to be knocked by a truck, ressurected and burned alive, but still, that's the way I see things.

In my country people RECOMMEND, they don't FORBID. We address not only the parents but also the minors themselves. How can you actually expect somebody to NOT DO something when you tell him NOT TO DO IT, especially with that somebody is a kid? Isn't creating a taboo the best way to inspire somebody's interest? I'm telling you this from the point of view of somebody that was raised in times of socialism or as others may refer to it - communism, and believe me - we had a shitload of taboos...

I guess the hunger for freedom in Bulgaria is stronger or maybe the people in the US are borred of beeing free or many people's brains were washed out too much already... or they're plain stupid and do and believe what they're told to - if so :D You (and your money) are always welcome here! |devil|

-- Andrew

P.S.
If somebody somehow felt insulted from this post, let me know about it :D

Ohhh, so it's just the icra tag.

Well, that doesn't help very much.

ICRA is sweet and all, but I've got hundreds of domains and thousands of sites and tens of thousands of pages.

There is no fucking way I have the time to get an icra tag for every piece of internet real estate I own.

So to me, the icra tag is as useless as tits on a boar hog.

All I want, all I have ever wanted, is a simple, straightforward meta tag I can easily put on all my pages that tells every browser this is not a page for kids.

I already put a content="Mature" tag on almost every page, and I could add more content= tags, but there's no standard for that type of tag.

Dumb fucking politicians can't ever be simple and practical.