is 2257 means death for thumb tgp's ?
 

hi all not quite sure if i understand the new 2257 compliance is that means the end of thumb rotating or posting tgp's ?
or they just need to add a link to 2257 ?
whats will the thumb rotating sites that's rotate FHG will have to do ?

Anyone in the US that owns a thumb site that wants to be in compliance will either need to display Softcore style content or they will need to have the Proper "Secondary Producer" docs needed because they display a hardcore image.

If the court doesn't throw out the secondary producer provisions of the current revisions, as the 10th Circuit did in 1998 with the original regs (Sundance Associates v. Reno), then yes thumb TGPs and similar sites by US based webmasters will become history.

I think the court will toss out more than just that part of the new regs, and if I understood what I read in an article about how the FSC plans to attack this issue the court may decide to toss the whole statute out and tell congress to start over.

Like a number of others around here, the only 2257 related changes I made to my sites to date is removal of a few galleries at the request of sponsors. Fortunately that has been minimal to this point.

I agree I think a large part of this has to fall apart.

I just removed the thumbnails and changed over to all text links.
the TGP traffic went down a bit, but productivity "clicks" when up!....
it seems to even out...

seems like a mess

At least something good might come out of this

The replacing of thumbs with text links is my approach for right now as well - but Im keeping the thumb template ready to go :)

so basicly use of erotic thumbnails is already a good cover and as i am not US citizen its hardly apply to me :) good to know !
correct me if i didnt get this right
even hardcore images if they come from sponsor gals FHG with the good 2257 rules is still will be allowed ?

I think everyone is forgetting that the definition of "sexually explicit" as far as the content goes hasn't really be defined.

I guess ANSI porn will be making a comeback

well 2 sponsors told me by email:
Explicit content includes actual
sexual conduct including all varieties of sexual intercourse,
vaginal, oral, anal, gay, straight, bestiality, masturbation
and sadistic or masochistic abuse. Also, any depictions
of the genitals would fall within this definition.
thats what ars4real told me.
and this is :
SEXUALLY EXPLICIT means, the showing of Pink or pubic area, and actual Sexual Acts.
what squirting carly told in her email to me. ackk those emails drive me nuts

ohhh myyy god ddddd*boink* Stu<--- felt of her chair, did you have to show that its almost 1 midnight herei wanted to have a good nightsleep , but now i have trauma...i need to talk to someone, telling an woman called Cleo did bad things very bad things |cry|

I think there's a little "pink" on that one Cleo :D

I'm sure that one would be exempt due to scientific fascination. Shouldn't even be considered genitalia at that point.

I guess the concept of constipation is unknown to this man

That is only some sponsors opinion or how they define it in terms of their relations with their affiliates.

Depiction of the genitals or pubic area is not necessarily sexually explicit for 2257.

i wonder how he shit.......... hey these things make me think...........its would be sit on the toilet the hole opens and all drop down with a huge splonse i bett ya he doesnt have to whipe his ass:) yeah i am still up

yep but these sponsors are the one to tell me to remove their hardcore content and banners and i dont give a shit about the 2257, its not the 2257 for me its the sponsors now they forche me |cry|

I'm right there with you stu. If it weren't for sponsors forcing me to pull their content, I wouldn't be pulling anything. The 2257 cops aren't going to find me hiding in Greenguy's backyard.

There is no definition of sexually explicit anymore then there is a definition of exactly what is porn.

I don't find this sexual explicate at all.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y98/b0g_lUv/goatse.jpg
Really fucking gross, but nothing sexual about it at all.

Looks like "Cheesecake" will need a 2257 since it is porn. One slice of your cheesecake please and does it come with its own 2257 docs?

oh your in GG backyard too?? i didnt see you :D no for real tht whole concept of the 2257 is one big bullshit, although i can understand the US webmaster...i think, on this moment its realy the sponsors, they say hey, remove the hardcore banners ad the free content, yeah easy how the fuck do i replace content and banner shit from more then 250 free sites in 9 days , hey i am not superwoman, oke sometimes i am :D but if they woldnt forche me ye then i didnt have anything t remove, and i still can kick myself i never started to use only my bought content |banghead| |banghead| |banghead|

Im not going to do anything till they come for me... there I said it.

I have seen that ars post but the regulations exempt letter E of 2256 which defines sexually explicit conduct. E says lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person. So I don't know why they are saying that depictions
of the genitals would fall within the definition of sexually explicit.

I'm just amused by ARS's highly scientific and legalistic use of "the showing of Pink or pubic area". How about lavender? And what about fuschia? Am I also to assume that particurlary hairy women are exempt? It's ok to show a muff with enough hair to house a family of squirrels, but if she's shaved clean, she's got to go...

For the purposes of 2257, it appears that they exempted "E".

As for thumbtgps, remember that a thumbnail is made from an original work. You must maintain on file for 2257 purposes a copy of the original image if it is sexually explicit. Therefore, you must be 100% certain that the original image is NOT sexual before you can use the thumb.

Good luck with it. I think the text link route will be what really covers everyone's ass.

Alex

I dunno, I think it will take at least 8 or 10 text links to cover that ass that Cleo posted. |shocking|

Actually I just had an email from a sponsor that is very unique in that not only have they solved the problem with thumbs they have also made the idea of sponsors having free hosting even more of a reality

Lets say you decide to use all free hosted galleries on your thumb tgp - yeah theres plenty of them out there that do it - and the sponsor hosts the preview thumbs as well on their servers - all you are doing is hot linking them - or one step further - the submitters that want to use this sponsors content can set up their galleries on the sponsors servers with the preview thumbs still hosted there as well
That covers all responsibilities of the TGP as he's not actually publishing anything from his own server - hes just hotlinking everything - basically the sponsor becomes a fusker :)

Out of reach - nope - I just had one sponsor email that they are setting that up right now

hmm thats intresting but it will defenetly will fuck up sponsors bandwidth :)
for webmasters somehow it can be a good move less bandwidth but i am not sure how Google or Yahoo treating hotlinkers specially when most of the images are hot linked
but i do think sponsors will start getting serious Image search traffic from G & Y :)
any thoughts on it ?

**!!FAINT!!**

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