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The shitstorm scenario of 2257
A lot of folks who are complying with 2257 I think dont understand the true "doomsday" scenario. For those folks I'd like to take time to spell it out.
Christine, 18 years old, shoots photos for this new fangled internet thing in 1998. She doesnt own a computer she knows few people who do. She figures few people will ever see them. Fast forward to 2005 and she's a christian mother of 3. She regrets her adult past. she is married to a good christian man. A gentlemen from her church in a moment of weakness recognizes her on an adult site and wants proof that its her. He applies for a webmaster position or purchases the content from its provider (all of this information is available on 2257 statements on the website she appears on). He then acquires her model release and her ID and confronts her. That's one of my least favorite scenarios. Another scenario is if this man isnt a member of a church but a crazy man who watches her walk to work every day. He masturbates to photos he's taken of her with his cell phone. He thinks he loves her. He finds those pictures online and proceeds to attempt to get the information. He's unable to do so. So after writing the program she's shot content for and the content providers and both have done a fairly good job of weeding him out as a crazy and not a legitimate secondary producer he becomes desperate. He goes to the address of the primary producer, which he finds easily on a website, and then proceeds to break and enter to steal the records. He then has her home information her work information her number, her ID, her social security number. And the number of hundreds of other providers. But yet, if he's smart, he's not breaking into the office of a giant adult program. he's breaking into a home. a small webmaster like myself who works out of his home. In the process he shoots that webmaster. All it takes is one crazy. All it takes is one Holy Roller. All it takes is one loose cannon. Think this cant happen? Ask Larry Flynt who lost his ability to walk to one such crazy person. Think this cant happen? Ask Arika Ames who was recently harassed at a webmaster trade show. Think this cant happen? Talk to the veterans of the industry and they will tell you story after story of crazy emails and phone calls. Stories of folks who knock on their hotel rooms at trade shows and follow the girls around like hungry dogs looking for a chance to bite. It HAS happened. It WILL happen. And 2257 puts legitimate webmasters and performers in danger. This is tantimount to forcing every actor in a "legitimate" film shown in movie cineplexes all over the world to have their ID's and contact information distrubited to every theatre in the country. This is a shitstorm folks. You comply, sure, but you need to fight it. Those of you who are giving out ID's already from your performers, think you're doing the right thing and that's great. But are you really checking who you're sending it to? are you really checking who you're sharing this information with? ARe you trying to seperate the crazies from the legitimate webmasters? Franklin said it best and I'm paraphrasing here; He who would sacrafice liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security. It is your patriotic duty to fight this. It is your duty as an american. It is your duty to your webmasters and your models. Those of you who are simply folding and bowing out instead of donating some of your millions to this cause, its a shame. you should BEG to be the one that they make an example out of. You should BEG to go down in history as the man who fought for free speech. You should be first in line to be the martyr who is thrown to the lambs to protect your performers. Jim of this board has offered this sacrafice and so do I. :) Lets roll with it. Like Jim says, I'd love to meet the president of the ACLU. Bring it on Gonzales. |
and yeah I know some of you folks are gonna lay into me for this one. Say its a lot of grandstanding and bs.
/shrug Wouldnt be the first time I put a foot in my mouth ;) |
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anybody who has ever gotten a surfer e-mail begging for info on a specific model knows what you are saying... some people get ruthless just thru e-mail... but i've said it before and i'll say it again... porn actors/actresses are the equivalent of dirt to the religious right wing that is pushing all of the anti-obscene bullshit, they are sinners and should all roast in hell
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Don't you understand the point of the new 2257 rules?
They are designed to have the porn business drive itself out of business. It is done by using a few different provisions to make it hard to take legal content, hard for individuals to be in business, make much of the existing content illegal, and making it difficult to get new performers. Hard to take legal content: If the primary producer is in the US, they require US IDs for everyone. No visitors or others without a green card can work. It also means that a US primary producer can no longer take talent and shoot overseas, as they would still require US ids for all performers. Hard for individuals to be in business: Forcing individual free site / paysite webmasters to reveal their home addresses or forcing them to spend additional money for an office creates a hardship that will drive them from the business. Additionally, this requirement will have the effect of driving individual amateur sites almost completely off the net. Make much of the current content illegal: Be changing the ID requirements and adding in model ID disclosure that would put foreign producers in violation of privacy laws in their countries, the new rules have the effect of killing off huge amounts of existing content. My personal estimate is than 90% of the "low buck content" (such as pixmasters, rock bottom, and others) will be effectively useless, with a lack of model releases and / or legal IDs. It doesn't help that many of these producers seem to see the new 2257 regs as a profit center, charging more than the original costs of the content for model IDs. Harder to get new performers: Unless the content is specifically licensed to a single site with major resale restrictions, many models will be uninterested in being part of the adult industry. If content is sold to 100 webmasters, that model's info is out there to 100 people. If it is used by a sponsor as "free sponsor content" then it might be out there to thousands of people. Models will be way more hesitant to get involved, which will make content harder to come by. That will drive up the costs, making it harder to make a profit. At the end of the day, the intentions of the new 2257 laws are to put a chill on the adult industry, to literally drive the mom & pop type operations off the web, and to cut way down on the amount of "porn moms" out there running individual amateur sites. The rest of us will be faced with increased content costs and increased business documentation costs. No one single less CP will make it onto the net as a result, but the rights and the freedoms to run an honest adult business will be removed as a result. That's what it is all about. Alex |
Never thought a lot of you Boogie, until now.
RESPECT. |thumb |
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Boogie...give em hell! Seriously man, very well said...props |thumb
RawAlex...sad to fuckin say it...really is...that this shit could actually happen in 2005...but you're right on all counts :( That's exactly what this is about...cleansing the net of the filthy pornographers. When the hell did sex become a bad thing? When did sexual pleasure become obscene? The religious right has got to be put in check. What IS obscene is that this is even an issue. The seperation of church and state needs some reminding... I still don't see this standing...but does look like thar's gonna be a rumble :D |
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Sounds to me like the US industry will slowly move out of the US. The small, medium and big webmasters in Canada and Europe will benefit. Demand for online porn will never diminish but fewer Americans will be supplying it. US webmasters with the resources and willingness to do so, will likely move to Canada where they can continue to run their buisness as if nothing happened.
Sorry guys but I think the USA is in an overall sad state with the Bush administration and the power he lends to the christian right. Not to mention its forien policy and protectionist trade policies. How will america react to the fact that it will soon no longer be the worlds economic superpower. Lookout here comes China. but i digress from 2257 discussions |
Looks like perhaps things are heading in the right direction...
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=20955 Saw a post on another board...thought this was the perfect place to mention it on this board... IF someone DOES get dragged in...putting together a defense fund should help. I'd definitely contribute! Frankly, that's my biggest concern about this crap. I have no doubt it will be tossed out of court if anyone is busted. BUT, financially something like this could break an individual pretty fuckin quick. IF we as a community contributed til it hurt...if need be...we'd make a much more formidable foe in court. Especially if the ACLU gets involved...this 'should' be a slam dunk! Hell, if that wasn't a concern...I'd be right there beside ya Boogie. For that matter...if more folks agree to a defense fund...I am! LOL! I'd even leave all several hundred of my free sites live and intact. Be happy to provide links to any owners who don't already have em...get more exposure to the sites don't yanno :D |
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Arghhh...can't sleep...
What suprises me more than anything about this is how many major programs made massive changes instead of fighting. One would think that these companies should have the financial resources to fight this out. So what happens when the injunctions are granted? Or, a prosecution is thrown out of court? Back to biz as usual? Or, are the programs going to leave their new systems in place? IF the DOJ really wants to look up a model ID, I implemented something on my new sites that launched this morning. http://www.real-girls.biz/2257/061305/1/ Paul, you'll be glad to notice it's your content :) I've provided the specific set ID information AND the original custodian of records. If an investigating agency needs to see the model info...grab a warrant and trot your ass on over to the original producer. The individual who saw the model...saw the ID's and produced the images. Ok...back to bed... |
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|thumb You da man Boogster!
I have, as of yet, not pulled a single pic because I'm hoping that the sponsors who have demanded the removal of certain content come to their senses before it's too late. If it wasn't for them, I wouldn't be pulling a damned thing. Everyone has different threshholds for risk. Mine is very high, but then again, I have nothing to lose. And don't anyone come here telling me that I could go to jail. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. |
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I have not pulled anything due to 2257.
I did pull some very old directories because they were full of dead links and with amnesty being giving to people pulling links it seemed like a good time to clear out the old dead wood but nothing to do with 2257. |
I dont see how these surfer/stalkers gonna get the model info
can we please put this to bed The webmaster has the ids the surfer doesnt know where the content was bought the surfer can only get the webmasters address .... not the models so how does the surfer stalk the model |
i have between 75 and 80 girls that we promote.. out of that i've received 66 of their docs.. a pretty good return.. but they are traffic whores.. all of them.. |lovers| and only a court order with multiple ID's will get me to open that file cabinet. No posting on the net.. and if they come here to find them, they'll be greeted by a 77 yr old grouch... |pink
the only one i've pulled so far is some totally wacked out camgirl who is really a cyber stalker and totally devoid of any conscience. and goddess knows i can do time.. just keep the commisary coming by.. lmao.. did you see where they caught a guy in the bay area they think has molest 36,000 boys?? was he caught by the DOJ?? fuck no.. he was caught by a mother who found some evidence in her son's (a victim) room and tracked it down.. Molester link i bet he doesn't have 2257 docs.. |angry| |
Tommy, the surfer becomes a "webmaster" and buys the content from the producer. Gets the model release, model IDs, the whole 9 yards. From there the path is pretty short.
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Tommy - thats the path thats been taken in the past with "stalkers" - since they dont have access to it as a surfer they fraudently join a program to become a "webmaster"
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Oh and one other little tidbit of info - since cyberstalking is a very large concern - there are still 5 states in the US that do not have any laws against cyberstalking and of the others most only protect the under 18 agegroup - there are also only two other countries in the world that have anti-cyberstalking laws - AU is one of them and I cant remember the other - its a shame that we cant even do anything about the stalkers that use hi-tech methods to harrass someone and eventually in at least 2 cases I know of either kill or injure the person being stalked
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I can tell you from 1st hand experience that this will happen. As most of you know my wife is a cam host. And yes UW a dam hot one lol. Anyway she had a serious and I mean serious nut case following her around from site to site over the past 3 years. Once he finds her he "using a new screen name" gets to talking to her for a few days then blasts her with his old screen name "kruger" and constantly makes her life a living hell. He will sit in her chat, scare away all her customers and then tries to go into a show with her. When she refuses or bans him he reports her to the site. Starts telling her he will find and kill her after he rapes her. He will kill her dog. Oh and he will kill me. I will say if there are any big cam sites here, you really need to look harder at your chats and whats taking place with nut cases like these. Most of the sites side with the customer as they dont want bad PR or just the money. But all it does it make the host leave their site. In my wifes case if they would have looked into the problem just alittle deeper they would still have a host who brings them in $3k a week - the average 50%. I know that this shit head is still looking for her. I can only hope that he finds where we live. Not to hard if you look around. If he shows up at my house you can bet there will be front page news when I shoot him and ever other fucker in my neighborhood when I snap.
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Now whether it will actually work or not is still an open question (and we all hope the FSC and allies can expose the scheme for what it is and get it nullified), but no one should be in denial about the actual intent of the perpetrators. If talent gets stalked or raped, "they deserved it." IF webmasters get picketed or harrassed, ditto. It's our just punishment for not repenting and accepting the Lord Jeezus into our lives according to the gospel of Jerry Falwell, etc. |
Hi everyone,
::official delurk:: I've been reading the threads on 2257 for quite some time, and finally decided it's time to offer a different perspective. I started out back in about 97 or 98 doing BDSM sites, for fun, because I'm into it in real life. It was more or less a blog, before blogs existed, with info about BDSM, etc. Then I threw up a gallery of pics (I thought "public domain" but now I realize they were just plain stolen and swapped around) and somehow one of the links lists found them, and my traffic went nuts. (I was using Tripod, LOL) So I threw up some Amazon books and made a few bucks. Then added a couple of sponsors and made more. It was just pocket money, but I saw the potential. In my other life, I am self employed and make a fair living, though occasionally there are dry spots. This adult sideline began to fill in the gaps, plus give me a little seed money. I bought some domains, and even started a bondage pay site. It did pretty well, but since it was just a sideline thing, it never grew into my main source of income. It was just me and my computer, and I was buying content legally. Then the new Visa rules hit, things had slowed down some, and I didn't want to shell out 3 grand to the processors. At that time, I accidentally stumbled into the phone sex world. It's been a cash cow for me, though it's still not my main source of income. In reality, I could probably give up my other work, do phone sex full time and at least triple my income. But I like my other work, so it's still part time. Now I'm using my domains to promote my phone sex. Since I keep my regular life and phone sex life separate, I use bought content for my characters. It's my voice, but model pics. It's all been pretty smooth sailing, plus it's fun to do! Along the way, I've met (virtually) a number of other phone sex workers who are fantastic people. So that's my background...now onto my perspective on 2257: My content is legal, and I've got all the paperwork and even the IDs (the content I've bought has always come with it). The record keeping that the feds seem to want is a huge pain in the ass, with cross referencing and all of that. The problem is this: putting my real name and home address on my 2257 statements. It's total bullshit and there is no possible way I'll be doing that. Here's why: Some of these phone sex guys think it's a dating service and they want to hook up in real life. Some of them think they're in love. A tiny minority of them are stalker types. I've had two guys so far fall into a spooky area. They've checked the whois info on my domains (where I used a PO box of a male friend - his box was an old one he rarely used, and was located about 1500 miles from me) and said things like "Where in Maine do you live?" I've since switched to private registrations. Another guy tried to surprise me by flying to the fake town in which I supposedly lived and wanted to buy me an expensive gift. I've gotten other gifts, but most are paid cash through the system. The few real items, I've taken steps to hide my location. This guy started out claiming he was going to have the gift shipped to my "home," but it became apparent he wanted to purchase the gift at a department store and I should go pick it up. It was obvious that he thought I would be stupid enough to go to that store, and then he'd surprise me. Uh huh. (I got the gift, but only because I badgered him into sending me the CASH through the system) I'm already tied to my websites through my phone sex characters, because I sell galleries of "me" to the guys, and they go to the sites to view the pics. Even if I stop that and use another system to sell the galleries, a lot of guys know my sites. Imagine the one or two nutballs if I put my friggin home address (not to mention real name) on the site. Good god. Most of the guys are decent and know it's all fantasy, but there are always a couple of them that think it's real life, and that because they've spent some money, you belong to them. It's that handful of guys that makes it impossible to put my personal info on my sites. Period. (Sorry this is turning into such a long post...I'm making up for all the reading and not posting I've done.) Now, my hope is that there will be an injunction issued, but the reality is that this administration is hellbent on stamping out porn. La-di-da. Even if a TRO is issued, changes are here, and the feds will adapt. My first instinct was to yank everything down. (I didn't, but I thought about it) What I'm doing is going softcore. The one problem I have is that I like doing free galleries to drive some traffic, and because I know BDSM, that's what I do. (My phone sex characters are into BDSM as well and that's how I market them.) I don't do any other niches, just BDSM. Obviously this kind of stuff is problematic, so I haven't come up with a solution yet, other than softcore stuff in a lot of leather and latex. Then I can do a 2257 statement on why I'm exempt. The other problem with real name/address....the last thing I need is for someone to google my real name and come up with my adult sites. Jesus. My two lives are totally separate. But what a great way for the feds to try and drive a number of people out of business by forcing them to go public with what they do on the side (or those who do it full time, but the church and family don't know)! There are a lot of phone sex workers just like me who keep it secret. I know it's been said a million times already, but the new regs totally blow. And not in the good way. PhoneSexChick |
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I was thinking this is a good time, since I have unblocked out ids on a good portion of this content. But instead I think I'll wait until the court reaffirms the bullshit of the secondary producer designation. Yeah I can sell the content ids and all, but I don't want to be morally responsible for some nut job who buys the stuff from me and then does something terrible. |
Correct, and when the 'liberal courts' deem this unconstitutional the current administration can stand up and say.. "See.. the liberals want your children to be able to access porn". Every possible scenerio will play into the far right wing's game plan.
On the shitstorm issues....I mentioned this earlier but let's not forget about the possibility of selling Maps of the Pornstars on places like EBay. It takes one fragged out webmaster with an ax to grind to release information. We're all assuming surfers are going to be the perps, but there was a pornstar missing a year or so ago and they charged her photographer for the murder. How many times has anyone in this biz been scammed by another webmaster or 'company'? There are unsavory people in all aspects of business and the law of averages says that if a content provider has to turn over model's personal info over to the countless web masters who''ve ever purchased.. not everyone will be trustworthy. And really, what kind of screening could a person do online to verify if a webmaster is not going to misuse the ids' now or ever. If screening was a perfect solution, none of us would have a "I was ripped off" story to tell. I'll bet you adult webmasters aren't the only ones who have bought adult content.. what about all those pornstar pics that end up in the backs of magazines or on flyers for 900 services. Maybe some of them bought content too. There's too big of a margin for anyone to feel that this will go well. "Dude, guess what? I got Jenna's home address...wanna see it!!" Could we predict that no webmasters would ever say that? Let's just add to the shit storm of loss of privacy of just being able to live your life normally. Worried that the work you do will have you looking over your shoulder every day of your life. Think about webgirls who've already had their lives ruined, their families humilated, job's lost just because someone recoginzed them. Wouldn't the media love to do a story about the 'PORNOGRAPHERS ON YOUR BLOCK'. I don't know any webgirl who hasn't had at least one incident. BTW.. one of the id's I got was a model's social security card. There's a whole nother problem brewing there-identity theft maybe??? Not every photographer made the right decision when accepting id's. One drivers license, and one credit card. I've got them in my possesion along with a Sam's club card and a library card as Id. One photographer told me, he let the id's go because he wanted to fuck the model and he always fucks the models after the shoot. We've got all kinds of issues... |
Phonesexchick: You are exactly who the government has targeted. In order to remain in business, you will need to get an office and move your business into that office. That will require you to pay rent, business license, business taxes, possible health and safety issues, payroll taxes, and any other number of things. Your office will have to be staffed at least 20 hours a week or it isn't your principle place of business.
Your choice is (a) reveal and likely get hassled / attacked / possibly killed or (b) spend a bunch of money and fundamentally change the bottom line of your business. It's the governments REAL intention on this, and the combination of rules, requirements, and declarations makes these intentions very clear. The type of stalking that Boogie is talking about is real, it's a problem, and it won't go away. Exposing models to this risk is a lawsuit in the making - for the federal government. It's going to get ugly. Alex |
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Okay, I've been re-reading one of my all time favorite books...Atlas Shrugged, by Ayn Rand.
I was struck by a certain passage the other night. It doesn't refer to 2257 of course, but it certainly sounds familiar. ""Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against--then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crimes that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kinds of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted--and you create a nation of law-breakers--and then you cash in on the guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."" |
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Three different routes here tommy each a little more difficult than the last. 1) Surfer becomes a webmaster. Creates a few websites. Gets the model info by buying the content or using the free content from the webmaster program he found. 2) Surfer becomes desperate. Finds the 2257 information at the bottom of a website. Shows up at that address. It turns out to be some random affiliate who is making chicken scratch each mother. He makes a deal with this affiliate. 3) Surfer becomes despearte. HE finds that affiliate's ID. Finds out its some shithole appartment with no security. Waits out front for him to go shopping. Breaks in, finds his documents, leaves. Takes a basic understanding of the law to know he's got the documents in his home/place of business. I would love to put this to bed as you suggest, Tommy. But right now its a very real concern I think. I hope my explination above can help you see that while it may not be very likely it is very possible. I work from home. You can bet your sweet ass I wont do it without a baseball bat once my address is everywhere. :) |
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4) Some jackass webmaster affiliate realizes selling aria giovani's personal information is worth a lot more than selling pictures of aria giovani, if he finds the right buyer. |
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Concerned Christians for Censorship starts crusing the posted addresses of affiliate webmasters. Webmaster wakes up to find 2 dozen pickets outside his house, noisily protesting "pornographers operating in the middle of our neighborhoods." Local zoning authorities show up to fine or remove webmaster from residence for "illegally operating a business in a residentially-zoned area." |
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I wanted to point out that for quite some time now it has been illegal to post non-true domain information. If you register a domain you have to put your real name and address on it. This has been a longtime understanding for american webmasters. It is not the security risk to myself I mind. I knew that when I signed up for this job. it is the security risk to those who become my wards due to 2257 law. |
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Registrant: Free Speech Coalition PO Box 10480 Canoga Park, CA 91309 US 818-348-9373 Domain Name: FREESPEECHCOALITION.COM Administrative Contact: Director, Executive support@freespeechcoalition.com PO Box 10480 Canoga Park, CA 91309 US 818-348-9373 |
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You can enlist private whois so nosy people are not able to access your domain info. People who want to reach you through your domain are instructed to email you through the registrar. So much safer than posting your HOME ADDRESS your websites. Plus, you are not required to list your contact information where you work 20 hours a week on your domain. A lawyer, or office addy will suffice.. with these rules.. you can't. That's different. |dizzy| |
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With all due respect, the mere fact that you are not an attorney, nor own a US based business, nor do you even live in the US does not make you the right person to be spouting off on 2257 regs. I am hard pressed to point out that you are doing a disservice to others here on this board. You think you are being helpful and in some regards you may very well be, but mostly on the 2257 issue you are the perfect spokesperson represented on all the adult forums that spreads misinformation and fear. Quote:
Most of the existing content that was produced prior to June 23rd, 2005 is legit provided a gov't issue photo ID is included and a disclaimer on websites new 2257 page, similar to the disclaimer that any content produced prior to July 3rd, 1995 is exempt. The exception is the way the information is documented. Content produced on or after 06/23/05 will have a stricter quideline to follow with reference to record keeping. The new 2257 distinguishes the guidelines for content pre June 23rd vs. post June 23rd. Quote:
By the way, it is not up to the photographer/producer to have a model prove that she is entitled to work legally in the US. That is not part of the 2257 regs. A model release is not the same as a Work For Hire contract. Even though some would have you believe. A US based business can go overseas and shoot to their hearts content and sell that content in the US provided they have the proper legal documentation and in this case it would be a foreign passport or foreign drivers license, military ID etc... It would be like saying I cannot photograph the Eiffel Tower and sell any of photos in the US of the Eiffel Tower which is bullshit. Quote:
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First off before I continue, until there has been any cases brought forth by the DoJ on obscenity and the new 2257 we can all speculate until the cows come home. What pisses me off is guys like you Alex who are not content providers nor a lawyer but rather a webmaster that owns a site on linking sites and content to be the "expert" on what is the new laws in a country you do not live in nor own a business in. The only fact is you do business with Americans. You are Canadian, a citizen residing in La Belle Provence, not reciding in the US, not a lawyer, not a business lawyer, not an American business lawyer. So please refrain from spewing your personal opinion of misinformation, paranoia and fear amongst the rest of us. Your opinion is just that an opinion. By the way, I was born and raised in Montreal and I have worked and lived in the States for over 10 years. I know enough about this industry to spend the money to hire a US attorney who specializes in this field to help me better understand, comply and interpret American laws especially when it comes to the laws that directly affect my businesses in the adult industry. BTW, contrary to what you have previously posted in another thread with regard to your lawyer-wanna-be misinformation. It is not the responsibility nor requirement of the primary producer to provide any IDs what-so-ever. It is the responsibility of the purchaser to acquire the proper documentation. In layman's terms. If someone bought content from a producer 2 years ago it is soley up to purchaser to acquire all the ID docs then when they purchased the content. Failure to do so is the irresponsibility of the purchaser. Even with the new 2257 and secondary producers who have obtained the proper info. It is not required for them to give the proper IDs with the content. The responsibility lies with the purchaser. Of course being what it is today if you were to not give the IDs then it would be business suicide. Please Note: ALL content that is on the new website RockBottomContent.com has ALL legal docs (government issue ID, full legal name, DOB and any known alias') to back up and supply our customers. So please refrain from slandering RockBottomContent with your misinformation. We are not looking to "profit" from customers of the former owners of RBC to provide them with the docs that they should have initially acquired when they purchased the content. Further support and info is available to all customers of Rock Bottom Content be it before or after we acquired the name. |
New regs, section 75.1 (b)
Picture identification card means a document issued by the United States, a State government or a political subdivision thereof, or a United States territory, that bears the photograph and the name of the individual identified, and provides sufficient specific information that it can be accessed from the issuing authority, such as a passport, Permanent Resident Card (commonly known as a ``Green Card''), or other employment authorization document issued by the United States, a driver's license issued by a State or the District of Columbia, or another form of identification issued by a State or the District of Columbia; or, a foreign government-issued equivalent of any of the documents listed above when both the person who is the subject of the picture identification card and the producer maintaining the required records are located outside the United States. As I read the above it seems to me that US based content providers shooting content outside the US or shooting in the US using foreign models are pretty much SOL selling that content to US webmasters unless the models have US Green Cards or work Visas. [edit]and that includes all content shot after July 3, 1995[/edit] |
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