OK, I need to know...
 

Everyone knows my opinion on 2257. Nothing but hype...nothing will happen. We are getting scammed by fear mongers and doom and gloomers.

Who agrees with me?

Jim as much as I want to agree with you, I just think it's a start. I am not saying they will be coming after everyone, but I do think they will be going after some.

And I can not tell you how I hope I am wrong.

I really think nothing will become of this.

At first I thought that this would really cause some problems for us, but now I doesn't really think that it's a reality anymore. But, I believe that the ones that are going to get problems are those that have only used sponsor content for their sites/galleries.

People are already having problems. People are taking down sites, sponsors are shutting down etc. etc. Whether or not these (mostly fear based?) actions are rooted in a real danger remains to be seen, but the law is there, and it would be foolish to pretend it doesn't mean anything.

Personally I started out out with a "fuck this, come and get me" attitude. Since then I've bounced between the extremes depending on time of day and what posts I've read (Jim vs RawAlex) and ended up caving in and giving the FSC my 50 bucks. As much as I disagree with the way they have handled things, they seem to be my best bet at the moment for any kind of protection, however temporary and feeble it might be.

Apart from that I haven't done a thing, not removed a picture or a banner. If in the end the DoJ wins and starts a witch hunt I can wipe my server with the click of a mouse button. I've already started to research living costs in Chile. :D

I don't think any thing can happen. I just don't see how if what we are doing is legal how they can do anything to us. If We aren't breaking the law, what can we be charged with?

I have been pondering this for days. Plus I have been discussing the situation from every avenue with my legal advisors: my father , my wife and of course, a higher power. They all agree that this is just a stinky bucket of shit. Nothing will happen as a direct result of 2257. Shit is happening due to fear, but that's about it.

To be more clear...when I say having problems I mean real problems. Not problems caused by paranoia.

Look at the voting so far...12 to 12
Half of our webmasters so far have been convinced by the fear mongers.

Man this whole thing is gettin old sounds like the mafia is involved or is it the nazi's damn I can't figure it out maybe the FSC can answer it for me.OH SHIT I didn't sign up for a membership.Jim can I come stay with you I don't eat much you can just feed me chili haha |pink

I only have one thing to say about 2257
Bring it on Cocksuckers :)

See, it gets really personal when I see my friends going out of business because of this hype. Why is it that the only stories from the mainstream is how we are panicked?

If this were a serious problem, I guarantee you that the ACLU would be involved.

And, go to the aclu web site and search 2257
Nothing...Nada...

Here is a good story
http://freeinternetpress.com/modules...ticle&sid=3868

Sorry if it has been posted already. I am trying to not read the 2257 threads.

I think it is now time for bed :)

What's 2257? |couch|

It does my heart good to see these results. I had thought that most would believe the propaganda. But it seems that cooler heads prevail.

Is this 2257 thingy something I need to know about? |noclue|

Can we have an option inbetween those two?

I don't think 2257 will be a widespread enforcement, but I believe a small group will get nailed with it.

That is a very good article Jim. Thanks for posting it |thumb

Seriously though, it seems to me the DOJ would try to nail someone with 2257 after going through the trouble of revising it. Unless they just wanted to try and scare off a few adult businesses, which is what they want anyway.

I truly believe that the DOJ, if they go after anyone will be child pornographers. And rightly so... They claim that is what this law is for.

True, unless you have a pic of a model that is just not right, or some chick complained about having her pic on the net without it being licensed at all, then why should they bother you. All the sponsors and content providers has the release. So any ligitimate model knows her pics are there and tough. Just suppose the sponsors or content providers don't have the proper license to distribute the girls pics. Maybe that is why some sponsors and content people are folding, they know their shit isn't sqaure to begin with. Maybe now would be a good time to follow up on "Acacia". Whatever happened with that?

Yes, for the most part I think this is a lot of hype. I do think they will haul in a few small timers here and there but they will just get a slap on the wrist. Nobody is going to jail for 5 years for running a legit porn site. It's just a lot of scare tactics. Fuck 2257!

who is DOJ ? :)

I was discussing this with the wife, since she is just slightly more sensible than me, and you know what came up? Al Capone. Yes, Al Capone. If the government was forced to jail a notorious gangster, bootlegger, and murderer for income tax evasion/fraud, then how unlikely is it that they would go after an otherwise untouchable child pornographer by nabbing him/her on improper record keeping? You'd think they must have someone in mind and I seriously doubt that it's a lowly webmaster.

I fear 2257 prosecution the way I fear NY's law against driving while on a cell phone. No one gets pulled over for that and it's pretty blatantly ignored. Of course, I don't own a cell phone. ;)

Exactly useless...
They will not come after us. They will go after those that deserve it if they go after anyone at all. The last thing they want is for their test case to be thrown out.

And, I still like that more people believe it is hype and nothing more than think it is a real threat.

I almost think it may be time for a special radio show with Greenie and myself to discuss both sides. If he wants to do it, I will do a special radio show.

People need to know the history of the government going after us. People need to know that it was a democratic congress and democratic president that came after us. People need to know that the old guys on the Supreme Court are still there. The ones that said, the last place for freedom of speech is the internet, the government will not harm it. Damn, it...I am going to find that case. It was Reno Vs, ACLU. But there are just so many cases with the same name, it's hard to find. Somebody look for it and post a link if you find it.

I found it
http://www.epic.org/free_speech/CDA/
This was going to shut us all down. Read the Supreme Court Decision.

Thanks for that link, Jim. Very interesting, esp. in how it could apply to the whole forced .xxx domain issue. Good stuff!

The secondary producer thing will never stick.

hmmm
 

I really enjoyed reading that. Took me a while to find it, but here it is:

Cutting through the acronyms and argot that littered the hearing
testimony, the Internet may fairly be regarded as a never-ending
worldwide conversation. The Government may not, through the CDA,
interrupt that conversation. As the most participatory form of mass
speech yet developed, the Internet deserves the highest protection from
governmental intrusion.

True it is that many find some of the speech on the Internet to
be offensive, and amid the din of cyberspace many hear discordant voices
that they regard as indecent. The absence of governmental regulation of
Internet content has unquestionably produced a kind of chaos, but as one
of plaintiffs' experts put it with such resonance at the hearing: What
achieved success was the very chaos that the Internet is. The strength
of the Internet is that chaos.

Just as the strength of the Internet is chaos, so the strength of our
liberty depends upon the chaos and cacophony of the unfettered speech the
First Amendment protects.

For these reasons, I without hesitation hold that the CDA is
unconstitutional on its face.

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I would love to hear something along those lines again in regards to 2257! ;)