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emmanuelle 2005-11-22 08:56 PM

Bizarre site of the day
 
From Infected to Medicated

Cleo 2005-11-22 09:04 PM

Damn woman you do have some seriously out there links. :D

furrygirl 2005-11-22 09:39 PM

That site must have bought the second parts of these sets: http://www.littlethumbs.com/samples/...?coupon=623883
http://6BuckAnal.com/6BuckAnal/galle...D=123581042175

:D

I think that site is done by whomever does all the ultra-crappy "menstruation" AVS sites/doorways, such as http://www.menstruation-fetish.com/mfeating/ And people wonder why I shake my head when I look at what *does* exist in the period niche. |huh

GonZo 2005-11-22 09:58 PM

I gotta ask... why is everyone freaked out by a little blood?
It washes off...

Toby 2005-11-22 10:06 PM

Blood doesn't bother me, as long as it isn't mine. |shocking|

Cleo 2005-11-22 10:46 PM

I think a yeast covered crotch is much more gross then a little blood.

MeatPounder 2005-11-22 10:48 PM

Blood I can deal with, have in fact been a lil surprised in the light of day.

Yeast...well thats a time out for a bit.

Cleo 2005-11-22 10:54 PM

Click Here for fresh new ringworm porn each day. :D

sue-fl 2005-11-22 11:05 PM

OMFG.....Cleo! You are such a trip.. :D

Yeast infection that is just plain nasty. Each to his own I guess |shocking|

Fonz 2005-11-23 09:45 AM

I had to google the word "yeast" since I'm not that trilangual as I thought I was :)
"Yeast are unicellular fungi.", mushrooms, nice...

Cleo 2005-11-23 10:10 AM

Yeah yeast infection, jock itch, athletes foot, ringworm, from what I understand it's all pretty much the same fungi infecting the body. I can't even begin to fathom why anything like that would arouse someone.

I do enjoy eating mushrooms which is a fungi but I've yet to get horny looking at them or eating them.

I guess I live a very sheltered life…

emmanuelle 2005-11-23 10:32 AM

I have some foot guys who are very interested in toe jam

stuveltje 2005-11-23 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fonz
I had to google the word "yeast" since I'm not that trilangual as I thought I was :)
"Yeast are unicellular fungi.", mushrooms, nice...

she has mushrooms on her pussy? :D

Seska 2005-11-23 11:21 AM

Do you think it is the "mystery" of the yeast treatment products that holds the allure or the condition itself?

Kenny B! 2005-11-23 11:26 AM

Yeast infections are not kosher for passover. really i have nothing else to contribute to this thread but I wanted to post in it anyways!

furrygirl 2005-11-23 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seska
Do you think it is the "mystery" of the yeast treatment products that holds the allure or the condition itself?

Yup, very much same thing as the guys who get rock hard thinking about used pads. It's a "secret" thing, a taboo thing that mommy had under the sink, or wrapped seductively in tissue in the waste basket, just begging to be discovered and wanked over.

Trixie and I have seen some yeast infection fetishists on a menstruation fetish board we frequent. It's not real honest female sexuality they're after, it's these little things that are removed from it, which are held up *as* female sexuality. Many of the period guys are sweethearts and subbies, but a number of them are vicious misogynists who actually truly *hate* women for say, not sharing their used pads with them, or popping their fetish bubble and saying that most chicks don't get sopping wet walking down the "feminine needs" section in the grocery store.

Cleo 2005-11-23 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stuveltje
she has mushrooms on her pussy? :D

Guess after unprotected sex with a man she would have cream of mushroom soup.

Bon Appetit
|crazy|

furrygirl 2005-11-23 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GonZo
I gotta ask... why is everyone freaked out by a little blood?
It washes off...

Try asking all the billers that, surely you're friends with one of them. I can't get anyone to even return my emails, I'm so terrifying.

GonZo 2005-11-23 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by furrygirl
Try asking all the billers that, surely you're friends with one of them. I can't get anyone to even return my emails, I'm so terrifying.

Corvett at CCBill is one that I know.

emmanuelle 2005-11-23 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenny B!
Yeast infections are not kosher for passover. really i have nothing else to contribute to this thread but I wanted to post in it anyways!



Are they kosher at other times of the year?

Surfn 2005-11-23 07:57 PM

|jester| |boobies| |jackinthe Close but no cigar |pokefun|
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fonz
I had to google the word "yeast" since I'm not that trilangual as I thought I was :)
"Yeast are unicellular fungi.", mushrooms, nice...


furrygirl 2005-11-23 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GonZo
Corvett at CCBill is one that I know.

CCBill is actually the most stupid about their arbitrary rule enforcement, such as not allowing Trixie's boyfriend to link to comedian Margaret Cho because she used the pedo-word in her blog, or in 2004 when I couldn't get processing for Veg Porn at first because I linked to someone who linked to Scarleteen, because its stated mission is to provide "sex information" to teens. They've had battles with other sites as well, like one who linked to the notorious "anti-rape condom" story in Africa (for using the r-word in any context), or freaking out if a girl posts a non-sexualized photo of her with her cat.

Oh, and they don't accept red content, not by a long shot.

I'd love to switch all my sites to a nice stable merchant account with one of the big billers, but no one will talk to me.

RawAlex 2005-11-23 08:59 PM

Furrygirl, have you considered that, maybe, just maybe, your choices are self defeating?

Trixie's boyfriend giving up billing rather than removing a link seems to be a very "high moral stand / low business sense" move. Perhaps he feels he was "making a point", but that point and $3 will get you a good coffee at Starbucks.

CCBill (and other adult sex sites processors and merchant account providers) are held to very tight standards by Visa and Mastercard. There are rules, and the rules are enforced. The rules enforced by CCBill and other are arbitrary because the rules forced on them are arbitrary as well.

In each and every one of the cases you listed here, a single link could have been removed and things would have been better. In each case, a bad business decision appears to have been made in order to "protect a cause", but in reality income was lost, and that loss of income could cut down the amount of money available to keep websites online to promote awareness of those causes or situations.

Adult porn sites should not link to sex information for minors, it shouldn't link to anything to do with pedophilia, and it shouldn't link to anything to do with rape. Visa and Mastercard have made it clear to CCBill and others that all of those are unacceptable as part of the rules for retaining their processing. It isn't CCBill randomly picking on certain causes or whatever. They are applying arbitrary rules imposed on them.

You are free to speak about whatever you want. You are free to run an adult website. There are rules regarding running an adult website and being able to accept credit cards. Unless you end up in a position in your life to change those rules (say like taking a lead position in Visa's policy department), you have to work with them, or work without income.

furrygirl 2005-11-23 10:24 PM

Alex, what are you now, my thread stalker?

You have your objectives in life, I have mine. I have principals that mean something to me, which you find stupid. Fine.

Please, since running mass-market porn sites without meaning is so important to you, go *do* that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex
Adult porn sites should not link to sex information for minors...

They absolutely should and all of my sites do. I proudly link to http://www.scarleteen.com/ from the warning pages of all my sites and send my "under 18? exit" traffic there. You can go inspect my sites, but here's what it says: "If you're under the age of 18 and looking for information about sex, please visit ScarleTeen".

And you know what, Alex? Quit telling me what I am and am not in a possition to change. Tasty Trixie argued her Margret Cho link and won. I argued my Scarleteen link and won. The only people not in a position to change stupid things in this industry are the ones who are too lazy or inept to even try.

RawAlex 2005-11-23 10:27 PM

Thank you for calling me lazy and inept. I truly appreciate it.

I don't care about your objectives, unless the affect MINE. Rocking the boat and maybe making Visa and Mastercard put MORE restictions on credit card processing directly affects my business. Don't you get it?

If you want to have a cause and soap box, find one that doesn't fuck it up for anyone else.

Alex

RawAlex 2005-11-23 10:35 PM

Oh, I want to add this: I am not your personal stalker, when you post on a public board, people read your posts and will comment on them. Get use to it, I am sure with all your experience on the web you understand how a public chat board works.

Alex

furrygirl 2005-11-23 10:48 PM

You say that challenging stupid (government and Visa) restrictions on consensual adult sexuality ruins the adult industry, I say that without doing so, there would be no adult industry.

We're just going to have to let history decide on this one. So far, history is on my side.

furrygirl 2005-11-23 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex
Oh, I want to add this: I am not your personal stalker, when you post on a public board, people read your posts and will comment on them. Get use to it, I am sure with all your experience on the web you understand how a public chat board works.

If you and I are arguing about something on one thread, I consider it thread-stalking to come into another thread I'm participating in and trying to stir shit with me for no reason other than that we're arguing elsewhere. I don't follow you around this board and try to argue with unrelated posts you make in other threads, so please don't start doing that to me.

Are you just worried that I'll forget about you or something? Gee, and here I thought I was a clueless loser who wasn't worthy of your attention.

Trixie 2005-11-23 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex
Furrygirl, have you considered that, maybe, just maybe, your choices are self defeating?

Trixie's boyfriend giving up billing rather than removing a link seems to be a very "high moral stand / low business sense" move. Perhaps he feels he was "making a point", but that point and $3 will get you a good coffee at Starbucks.

CCBill (and other adult sex sites processors and merchant account providers) are held to very tight standards by Visa and Mastercard. There are rules, and the rules are enforced. The rules enforced by CCBill and other are arbitrary because the rules forced on them are arbitrary as well.

In each and every one of the cases you listed here, a single link could have been removed and things would have been better. In each case, a bad business decision appears to have been made in order to "protect a cause", but in reality income was lost, and that loss of income could cut down the amount of money available to keep websites online to promote awareness of those causes or situations.

Adult porn sites should not link to sex information for minors, it shouldn't link to anything to do with pedophilia, and it shouldn't link to anything to do with rape. Visa and Mastercard have made it clear to CCBill and others that all of those are unacceptable as part of the rules for retaining their processing. It isn't CCBill randomly picking on certain causes or whatever. They are applying arbitrary rules imposed on them.

You are free to speak about whatever you want. You are free to run an adult website. There are rules regarding running an adult website and being able to accept credit cards. Unless you end up in a position in your life to change those rules (say like taking a lead position in Visa's policy department), you have to work with them, or work without income.

As FG pointed out, we didn't give up our billing when CCBill told us we had to take down the link to Margaret Cho's blog. We finally asked to speak to someone who could actually look at the site and see that it was a mistake.

From what I understand, CCbill blacklists sites by doing keyword searches for the "bad" words, and in so doing blacklists non-porn sites with political commentary where the bad words are used in a context that's not PROMOTING activities like CP, bestiality, etc. but is merely discussing them. I know -- it's CRAZY! Why would we link to a free site with absolutely no possibility of making a sale? We are SUCH bad business-people!

Some of us have actual content on our site. You know, content that we wrote ourselves, shot ourselves, etc. Content that we're invested in politically and personally as well as financially. Content that is not ALL porn. Content that makes people bookmark our sites. Content that engenders loyalty and establishes trust with surfers. Content that sets us apart from other sites. Content that gets published in books and magazines. SO STUPID OF US!!

I know it's just MIND BOGGLING to some people in this industry to actually offer more to surfers than some bought content of strangers (or promo content laden with so many ads you can't find the photos) with the occasional misogynistic remarks and maybe some really fantastic organizational methods with everything broken down into handy (but ultimately deceptive and random) categories like MILF porn and Amateur Porn. And you think people with who offer surfers more than ads and FREE PORN! FREE PORN! are the ones bringing down the industry by "rocking the boat"!!

I totally agree that running sites like yours would be easier and more efficient business-wise than anything I have ever done. Running personality-driven sites requires . . . you know . . . PERSONALITY. No wonder so few people in the industry take this route!!

What you're suggesting (simply removing offensive words and links without pointing out the context) is a bad business idea for some of us who actually WRITE about rape, bestiality, and the issues and laws affecting the porn industry, etc. from a political, newsworthy standpoint. If CCBill bans sites based on the use of blacklisted words without looking at context at all, that means none of us can write on our sites about the laws that affect our industry . . . that's a pretty fucked up situation, no?

Essentially what you're pushing for is for porn sites to be devoid of EVERYTHING except porn. I think that's a bad business move . . . unless of course you have no imagination, no life, no social conscience, and no personal involvement with your business at all.

More power to you if you like seeing the internet littered with shallow, repetitive, cookie-cutter porn sites, but don't act like the rest of us are simply bad businesspeople for wanting to do something different with a little more depth and like to link to sites that are more substantive than a long-ass list of tgp after tgp after linkdump after linklist.

It may seem self-defeating to you that some of us would like people to realize that it's healthy for people to have sex or masturbate when a woman is menstruating, but forget about the fact that calling menstruating women obscene is discriminatory and rooted in some very fucked-up ignorance. Forget about all of that and look at it from a business standpoint . . . why should I only be able to shoot content and do shows when I'm NOT menstruating? That's very inefficient, business-wise. You call it "rocking the boat" but you're not the one being told your totally natural pussy fluids are obscene. Even old Dr. Ruth was on tv in the eighties talking about how natural and nice and totally healthy it is to have intercourse when a woman is having her period. I don't expect you to give a shit, but don't expect us to appreciate your fantastic business advice or to respect billing company's "high standards" which are nonsensical, discriminatory, and allow for guys to piss and cum all over people's faces, to double penetrate people's assholes, to rape people when they're sleeping . . . but NOT to show a women menstruating. Those aren't "high standards". It's just plain bullshit.

RawAlex 2005-11-23 11:34 PM

What you see as a stupid restriction is what others would consider an acceptible tradeoff for peace with the government and with the credit card companies. The implication is that if you push on them, they will push back HARDER, and in the end, your little stand to wave your used tampons in the air could end up costing other people a livelihood when the credit card companies decide that they don't want to touch porn at all, or if they cut off all "extreme" porn of any sort from the business profiles.

History isn't on your side, I think you have not read enough of it. The government side is like the tide, coming up and going down, and yes, in the end, we usually end up with more liberty rather than less.

However, the CC side is entirely different. It has gone exactly one directly, LESS AND LESS SITES ALLOWED TO PROCESS. Visa and Mastercard are not obliged to process adult, and they are fairly restrictive now (compared to before you were legally allowed to view this stuff). 8 or 9 years ago, you could get processing for a signup page without even having a website. Now they want assurances, the sites have to be reviewed, and fees paid. All the pushing in the world has just encouraged these companies to stop processing for huge parts of the adult business.

You tweak their noses, and they will tweak the whole industry back. I don't think you have a clear understanding of all the forces in play here.

You have the right to free speech, but please, don't fuck up other people's business just to make a point.

Alex

PS: I happen to look at all new posts. You made a post here that was a natural extension of other discussions, so I answered in place. Again, chat board 101.

Trixie 2005-11-23 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex
What you see as a stupid restriction is what others would consider an acceptible tradeoff for peace with the government and with the credit card companies. The implication is that if you push on them, they will push back HARDER, and in the end, your little stand to wave your used tampons in the air could end up costing other people a livelihood when the credit card companies decide that they don't want to touch porn at all, or if they cut off all "extreme" porn of any sort from the business profiles.

Would those other people who think it's an acceptable tradeoff be mostly men? Huh . . . funny coincidence!

MENSTRUATION IS NOT EXTREME. This is a very simple concept. If you cannot grasp it or respect it, forgive me if I don't give a flying fuck about protecting your livelihood. I certainly wouldn't go out of my way to "destroy" anyone in this industry no matter how boring or offensive I found their sites, but I'm not going to try to MIMIC those sites because you think it would be safer for you and your cronies.

I understand the concept of choosing your battles which is why I've put my menstruation fetish site on the back burner, but that doesn't mean I support totally submitting to the censors and politicians who use our industry to gain political leverage. You sound like one of those jews in Nazi Germany who watched his neighbors being carted off and thought that if he kept quiet the whole thing would blow over and his happy little life wouldn't be disrupted. Just go along with them! Don't fight it, that will only make them more mad!! We're going to camp but it will all be over soon!!

Toni KatVixen 2005-11-24 12:01 AM

I admire women like Furry-Girl & Trixie. They are the kind of women that showed me that you could be a feminist and be in porn AND have ethics.

I'm not into the menstrating sites cuz I don't like blood, my choice. But we are in porn, we help to push the ideas of sexuality, like it or not.

Porn needs more women like them to shake the boat. I'm sick and tired of porn being dicated by just the male side.....the sick part of them....vomiting, raping....all the crap that demeans us. Trixie & Furry-girl are pushing the limits for HEATHLY NEEDED conversation about women's bodies.

If we didn't have women to "shake the boat", then we wouldn't have the right to vote, the right to conception or the right to do with our bodies as we please. If you had your way on not "shaking" the boat, then the I still wouldn't be able to own property. If people didn't have the guts to shake the boat then we would still have slavery.

Trixie 2005-11-24 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KatVixen
I admire women like Furry-Girl & Trixie. They are the kind of women that showed me that you could be a feminist and be in porn AND have ethics.

I'm not into the menstrating sites cuz I don't like blood, my choice. But we are in porn, we help to push the ideas of sexuality, like it or not.

Porn needs more women like them to shake the boat. I'm sick and tired of porn being dicated by just the male side.....the sick part of them....vomiting, raping....all the crap that demeans us. Trixie & Furry-girl are pushing the limits for HEATHLY NEEDED conversation about women's bodies.

If we didn't have women to "shake the boat", then we wouldn't have the right to vote, the right to conception or the right to do with our bodies as we please. If you had your way on not "shaking" the boat, then the I still wouldn't be able to own property. If people didn't have the guts to shake the boat then we would still have slavery.

Awww -- thank you! Good points too, and I stand in mutual admiration of your feminism which I noted years back in your posts on other boards.

After being so argumentative, I should let people know that I haven't griped to CCBill about the no-menstruation policy, and I don't "blame" them for trying to keep the CC companies happy -- on the contrary, I appreciate it and the job they do for us. I realize that with issues like menstruation there are bigger forces at play. I also realize that the majority of sites they deal with have business models that are different from our own so their standard operating procedure on stuff like banned words appearing on sites doesn't often have to allow for context since on most sites PORN (and making fast sales! and pushing more porn!) is the only context.

I don't expect CCBill to piss off Visa so a little entity like myself who makes them very little money can wave her red flag. But I do expect to be able to call bullshit on the whole thing in a public way that brings a little necessary contemplation and discussion to the issues at hand. I realize RawAlex isn't the only one who thinks what he's written here, so I hope he understands that my ire is generally directed to a bunch of people's attitudes and not his alone.

And now I must do some important business: sit on the couch and watch old Star Trek Next Gen episodes.

RawAlex 2005-11-24 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trixie
Would those other people who think it's an acceptable tradeoff be mostly men? Huh . . . funny coincidence!

I understand where you are coming from now. When the chip falls off your shoulder, call me back.

Alex

Toni KatVixen 2005-11-24 12:20 AM

I'm disappointed, you usual have much better comments, next thing you'll be saying is "oh, she is just bitchy cuz ragging"?

RawAlex 2005-11-24 12:26 AM

Kat, there is absolutely nothing left to add.

furrygirl 2005-11-24 01:49 AM

Thanks for your input, KatVixen! On the topic of feminist porn, there was a good quote in the latest BUST Magazine:

"I'll always prefer to play [in bands] with women and hang out with women, and I'll always be a feminist. But let me tell you something: Gloria Steinem never helped me out; Larry Flynt did." -- Courtney Love in Spin.

I don't like to be such a reductionist, (although lordy knows no one comprehends my long-ass posts anyhow), but it is *impossible* to not note that every time the period discussion comes around, it breaks down into men versus women. One side is disgusted, one side is incensed that they're being told they're disgusting. It's not a matter of forcing anyone to jerk off thinking about tampons, it's a matter of respect for women and their bodies. You know, *women and their bodies*, those "things" that almost everyone here derives their income from.

It's nice to hear from the perspective of a woman who doesn't make period porn, since I suppose Trixie and I are "bias" when it comes to supporting such dangerous extremist revolutions as menstruating. ;)

juggernaut 2005-11-24 01:55 AM

Maybe CCBill is working off that old guy saying
"If something bleeds for 5 days and don't die, don't trust it"

Come on people this was supposed to be a funny post. In the words of RK. "Can't we all just get along?"

RawAlex 2005-11-24 02:01 AM

See? now there is something to add

Furrygirl, you really truly don't get it, do you? It isn't about MY opinion (and my opinion is menstruation is natural, but like peeing and shitting, it isn't porn, just a body function that isn't really sexy... ) it is about how that type of site would hold up to Visa rules and community standards. Not the community you live in, but perhaps the one you host in or the one your credit cards are processed in, or who knows where else, depending on how the DoJ would look at it.

Me taking a dump would be Man and his body. Big deal. It ain't sexy (and I ain't sexy either!)

It is only men versus women because someone decided to make it that, and guess what, it wasn't me. Scan the thread... go see who made it a man versus woman thing, then direct your sarcasm back at them (if you care to be sarcastic to your good friend and mentor Trixie).

I'm done with this thread.

Alex

Chop Smith 2005-11-24 02:27 AM

Alex, you are not going to try to make a living from selling pictures of you taking a dump?

Trixie is a cute little thing. It is ashame that we only hear from her when blood is mentioned. I also understand that she is smart. However, the sheer mention of a jew in Nazi Germany trying to save their ass has very little to do with yeast infection and it is stupid of her to bring it up.


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