Greenguy Stats Run - What Would You Like To See, Skippy?
 

My plan is to do a stats run next week, covering Dec 1st thru Feb 28. But I don't know how I should do it.

The obvious choice is to just go with the flow of totaling up the PPS 1st page sponsors & sort them by niche like I did in this run:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/greeng...-05/index.html

OR

I could do another of what I call "Half Assed Stats" where I just total up the bigger sponsors & break them down by 1st/2nd as well as PPS, Trial & no trial:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/greeng...ecial2005.html

OR

I could try & combine those 2 things, which would mean that my stats would end up being published the week before I had to run them again :D

Maybe this time I can do a big "Half Assed" run, getting all my ducks in a row as far as PPS, revshare, trials, no trial, 1st page, 2nd page, etc. The next month I could go back & do a run for 1st page revshare trials, the next month 2nd page PPS, the next month 1st page no trials, etc.

But I'm interested in what you, Skippy, would like to see in my stats...aside from the number of actual sales & dollar amounts :D

I like choice #2 "Half Assed" because I believe it gives possible affiliates a larger more comprehensive list of sponsors to choose from.

Cheers,
BV

Imo Option 1 mate.
It would show more program diversification than option 2.

Also showing first page unique ratios, and/or stating if x program only displays 2nd page (and if so a rough 1st page guestimation click count) as well as the $ amount per unique click.

Other then that I can't think of any other relevant data to display.

2cents
-N

I don't see how #1 would be more diverse, seeings how in option #1 there would be 0=none revshare sites.


That eliminates a lot of good sites, mine included |huh

I like the first option Greenguy! I more or less just use a few niches, so like checking your stats out that way.

But since you do it by hand and it seems like a lot of work any way is fine. |thumb

I think option 2 gives a bigger overall picture |thumb

How tough would it be to add rev/click to that run?

I try to ignore ratios these days...$/click seems to be more relevant.

A little tougher for the revshare model but I've seen it done, just divide your monthly revenue from sponsor by monthly uniques clicks = rev/click. With a good revshare program this rev/click number should climb each month without increasing traffic due to your rebills accumulating.

A larger problem I think might be programs that don't count first page uniques. These will not show correct in comparison to programs that do show 1st page, so you'd need to count your own clicks or something there.

I also would like to mention that when I use and refer to these lists that you and other linklist owners post I'm not totally focusing just on the numbers. Because in all reality different people have different quality traffic.

Hypothetically speaking it would be safe to say that Greenguy's clicks are worth more than TheHun's clicks. So for Mr.Hun the per click data or conv ratio data is irrelevant.

However Mr Hun can still look at your list and choose from tried, true and tested sponsors that you use and he would feel pretty safe that they are good choices.

In short if they make your list or say hoes.com list then it's a no brainer for a newbie to start with one of those sponsors instead of gambling with an unknown untested sponsor.

BUT include your top revshare and PPS so the list is large and diverse enough. Eliminating revshare would cut out too many good sites that convert and make more money per click than some PPS.

Ya I left out the "from a pps program perspective". Option 2 would show less programs then option 1, but on the other hand 1 would show no revshare programs.

Idealy option 3 would be best but would be a crunt to compile.

-N

First option is cool for me :)

I'm just starting to make some good use of your stats reporting for a new group of projects. Sure, I'd love to have the wealth of information that choice #3 would give me, but realistically, I won't be able to make use of it all right away, so I'd rather have less info sooner. On that basis, I'd be happy with #1 or #2, whichever one takes you less time to compile and release.

BTW... thanks for doing this. :)

Simon

#1 for me

And why are you all answerring, he asked me! :D

But that only gives you the totals for the program & not individual sites, which is sorta like saying WalMart is the cheapest when in reality, Target has cheaper lawn furniture.

Right now, the way Option 1 works, it's only 1st page PPS programs.

To do it properly, it's impossible - See post #9 by me in this thread:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=19196
(and please remember that I posted that way back in May & I have been working on a solution since then)

Option 2 would take into account 1st/2nd page sponsor totals as well as a separate list for programs using CCBill's totals (and that's only because of your program - LOL)

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Keep your suggestions & comments coming. I won't decide for sure until next Tuesday, so we have time to work this out so that most people are happy |shake|

We were all just waiting for you to get here, Fonz, and figured we'd try to cover for you so GG didn't get pissed about having to wait. Okay, now that you're here we can all go back to playing in traffic. ::grin::

Why not make a combination of #1 and #2?

to much to ask??? :D

Ummmmmmm......

You have stats? |huh

Ok i deserve a spanking for that... lol...

or beer... or maybe a whikey :D

Personally I would love to see everyone you use, and the ratio you get with them over a period of time.

I am not interested in $. per click. I am interested in the ratio and the % that sign up.

That includes the revshare sponsors. Problem is most of the pps sponsors count 2nd or join page clicks which really messes with the ratio, so maybe seperate the pps and revshare sponsors ???

I only promote 2 pps sponsors now amongst the 40+ I send traffic to .... and I honestly make more $ with the revshare sponsors in the niches I have traffic in. would be interested to see what you are doing in a head to head.

Just for clarification, Option 3 would involve me 1st going thru most (if not all) of my sponsors & sorting them into 8 different categories:
PPS/1st Page
PPS/2nd Page
Revshare/Trial/1st Page
Revshare/Trial/2nd Page
Revshare/No Trial/1st Page
Revshare/No Trial/2nd Page
CCBill/Trial/1st Page
CCBill/No Trial/1st Page

I'd 1st publish the totals for all those programs without putting in the individual sites. This would allow me to do the leg work of sorting everyone out as well as have something to publish next week.

Then I would go down the line & publish stats for the individual sites in each of those categories once a month (so on March 31st I'd compile the last 3 months of PPS/1st Page, on April 30th I'd compile the last 3 months of PPS/2nd Page, etc)

Sounds good :)
Can't wait to see them....

Ouch...I don't envy you this task Greenie |loony|

It sounds like option 3 would probably be of most use from a statistical standpoint. But, if I were in your shoes...I'd probably say screw it and do option one :D

waiting for your first stats of all your top sponsors

1st stats we published 4 years ago :D
http://www.greenguystats.com/jan02/index.html

yep. it will help me select some good sponsors.

thank you,Guy

You sort of lost me.
We are just a revshare program that uses ccbill and epoch for payouts.
You get to choose the primary.
You can also turn off trials with one click without changing any link codes. (if that helps)

As you mentioned after the last stats run, I will be using the stats in your admin instead of the stats in the CCBill admin, which puts you in the old Revshare/Trial/1st Page category instead of the new CCBill/Trial/1st Page category :)

Ah ok, Gotchya |goodidea

I'd like option 1. I always like to see which sites are doing well more than which sponsors.

My vote goes to number 1.. as a noob I'd prefer to know which sites convert rather then which sponsors. It's more benificial IMO.. obviously ratios are gonna be different for everyone but youre working with a large enough amount of traffic that I would trust your ratios for the sites a hell of a lot more then my own judgement ( my track record sucks so far :( ).

What about #1 and then a miniature revshare only run with either an overall ratio or overall $/click per revshare sponsor, and just a couple 'noteworthy' sites for each one? Even that would probably be a pain in the ass.. Fuck, I don't know. Whatever you end up doing.. thanks, that's pretty tedious shit I would imagine - even if your 'Revenue' column isn't all goose eggs like mine :D.

I vote you use my link codes and I'll report which ones are doing well to you...weekly :D

I'd love to see Option 3 as well but even Option 1 will do the job for me ... as MrYum said it already 'I don't envy you this task ' but I sure appreciate Your effort so BIG THANKS GG!!!

I like the big half asses version.




But, then again, everyone knows I like BIG ASSES so maybe those words in the same sentence got me excited.

#1 works for me, but #3 would be awesome! :)

it is nice to see the true raw, unique, and join pages broken out..

when most realized that it is really just the $$$ amount that matters many still like to see the conversions... but with so many playing with what is a unique and what is a raw.. it is hard to get a true apples to apples comparison...

i've seen people post stats with raws only being less than 5% different than uniques.. (so that it appears better to the newbies).. but anyone knows that if you have a good amount of traffic... tons of blind and tgp traffic will make those numbers much farther appart.. we see an average of 30-50% difference.. even on two page tours.. where you only have a raw main page.. to a join page..

so yeah it will be a tough job.. but it should really make for a useful tool..to try and get everyone on a more equal playing field... :)

I would like to see similar stats on my end :D

We will never forget when we made #1 for amateur... and won't be satisfied until we get there again...

The task of comparing these seems impossible... this is probably an unpopular suggestion but i say do it all by type of program then charge for access to the info, kind of the way "Consumer Reports" does not take advertisers but does charge for access to their mag or website data. Then at least you know you are not wasting your time providing the service for free - which is absolutely cool of you to do no doubt - but if it is that time consuming you might as well make it worth your while.

Oddly enough, I'll have an update on this in about an hour :)

Look for a new thread that sets off all kinds of alarms on Board Tracker |thumb

I just want to add this: I would really like to see an important couple of stats for rev share programs:

1 - conversion from trial, if any
2 - rebill percentages (or precentage of revenue from rebills).

I don't mind if a site doesn't sell so well if it retains great. I am really interested in what part of the per click revenue is because of recurring billing and which part is new sales (which would make it easier to determine best converting programs on NEW sales, rather than ongoing, which might be good for deciding new programs to try.

Alex

Alex - that thought has crossed my mind & I have not looked into it that deeply, but I will post the rebill %'s if they are easy to total up while I'm in the admins grabbing what I need :)