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Doctor Sticky 2006-03-26 03:06 AM

Arylia Gallery Builder v2.0
 
With Arylia Gallery Builder you can create galleries for your TGP or babe blog in under 1 minute.

Acquire Images Using Various Methods
Such as sponsor FHG (free hosted gallery), zip file (either locally from your computer or remotely from your sponsor's website), image sets on your server, and even fusker-style URLS for those hard-to-get sets.

Completely Control Size and Position of Thumbnails
You are not limited to stale square layouts with one size columns and thumbs. With Arylia you can place the thumbnails at any size anywhere on your gallery. The possibilities are literally endless. Here are a few examples:

(Each of these galleries were made in under 1 minute)
http://www.twistyswomen.com/gallerie...lesbian_mania/
http://www.twistyswomen.com/gallerie...es_having_fun/
http://www.freegalleryhome.com/galle...lack_lingerie/

Store Your Sponsor Settings For Repeated Use
Simply setup each site one time - including banner and link code settings - then select the site when building a gallery and all of the settings will be applied to your gallery automatically.

Easy Integration Into Your Site Layout
Arylia uses short identifiers for placing gallery elements such as title, description, and for defining where the thumbnails will be placed.

Quick and Easy Thumbnail Cropper
Before building a gallery you can set image cropping preferences, but that doesn't always mean they will come out perfect. To combat the odd thumbnail, or to simply improve upon the already great thumbs created, use Arylia's quick and easy thumbnail cropper tool. You simply drag a box around the hottest portion of the thumbnail and click "Grab it". Arylia will remake the thumbnail to your new specifications automatically and place it back into the gallery. Nothing could be easier!

Search Engine Optimization
Using all of the latest SEO techniques Arylia builds galleries with search engine optimization in mind.

Low Server Loads and No Query Usage
Arylia generates static galleries which means extremely fast page loads and no SQL queries.

Great Support
We are available every day and night via ICQ and AIM for support. You can also post on our message board and get help from other Arylia users.

Click Here To See The Demo

(Current customers can now download version 2 from the download area)

PR_Tom 2006-03-26 01:04 PM

"Acquire Images Using Various Methods
Such as sponsor FHG (free hosted gallery), zip file (either locally from your computer or remotely from your sponsor's website), image sets on your server, and even fusker-style URLS for those hard-to-get sets."


I guess that I think it looks decent, but there is absolutely no (good) reason to include functions that aquire images from anywhere but the local hard drive, or password protected server on the machine where the script resides.

Doctor Sticky 2006-03-26 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Tom
"Acquire Images Using Various Methods
Such as sponsor FHG (free hosted gallery), zip file (either locally from your computer or remotely from your sponsor's website), image sets on your server, and even fusker-style URLS for those hard-to-get sets."


I guess that I think it looks decent, but there is absolutely no (good) reason to include functions that aquire images from anywhere but the local hard drive, or password protected server on the machine where the script resides.

Hi PR_Tom,

We certainly don't condone ripping galleries of fellow webmasters, however, acquiring images from a sponsor FHG is no different than downloading their content ZIP file because they both contain the same images. Arylia also allows for building galleries directly from zip files, so wether you grab the images from the sponsor FHG, or from the downloaded zip file, the results will still be the same.

The good reason for allowing this is quick and easy building of galleries from FHGs your sponsors provide to your for promotion.

We also discourage promoting sponsors other than the owner of the content you are displaying in your gallery - as stated in our EULA

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arylia EULA
You agree to use the software in all manners fitting the terms and rules of your individual sponsors. Specifically meaning that you will only rip (acquire) images from a sponsor's FHG (free hosted gallery) with intent to promote that sponsor with the acquired images. MoltenSoft vehemently discourages cross-promotion of sponsors with unmatched content.


PR_Tom 2006-03-26 11:39 PM

OK well see, you're wrong. At PimpRoll and Adult Elite, our FHG's are hosted on our servers because we own the license to display them from our servers. Only our servers. They are not free content! There is NO affiliate license to use them on your own server, and we terminate accounts that violate that obviously. We have no choice.

You should modify your wording, because it's a huge error. It's "Free HOSTED Gallery" for a reason :) We host it, you do not :) For a really good reason. It's legal for us to, and illegal for anyone else who does not hold the same content license.

Our Free Content is an entirely other issue. It's free content for affiliates because the content licensing allows for it to be.

We're not the only sponsor like that.

Doctor Sticky 2006-03-26 11:57 PM

Tom, if you re-read the first sentence of the EULA section I quoted it states: "You agree to use the software in all manners fitting the terms and rules of your individual sponsors."

Just to make sure we are extra clear in expressing that fact to our users, we have added the following statement in bold to that section of the EULA. Here it is again:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arylia EULA
You agree to use the software in all manners fitting the terms and rules of your individual sponsors. Specifically meaning that you will only rip (acquire) images from a sponsor's FHG (free hosted gallery) if that sponsor has granted permission for you to do so and only with intent to promote that sponsor with the acquired images. MoltenSoft vehemently discourages cross-promotion of sponsors with unmatched content.

There are a lot of sponsors who do allow images in their FHGs to be used for promotion on their affiliate's websites. It is up to the individual webmaster using the script to know which images they have the rights to host.

Toby 2006-03-27 12:13 AM

And just what percentage of your customers do you think actually read the EULA? I'd guess it's less than 10%.

I have to agree with Tom, if the software has the feature available then it will be used and abused. There's no valid reason for that function to be there other than to facilitate unethical if not illegal conduct on the part of affiliates.

Doctor Sticky 2006-03-27 12:38 AM

Guys,

Thanks for the concern. We created the script the way we did because we are adult webmasters ourselves and we want to be able to acquire and post content rapidly on our own sites. We agree that very few webmasters who purchase the script will read the EULA, however placing the message where we did, in the terms we did, is as much warning as we can reasonably offer. There are dozens of sponsors which provide to their affiliates usernames and passwords for the actual members section of the paysite and the only way to acquire that content without a script like this is your right mouse button and a great deal of patience. So rest assured that there is a legitimate purpose for this feature being in place.

To address the problem more directly, consider a webmaster who does not have a script like this. He can either act in accordance with his sponsors' rules and grab a zip file, unpack it, upload it, and make a gallery in HTML, or he can illegitimately take some content from an FHG or a members' area, upload it, and make a gallery in HTML. The amount of time required to do these two tasks is comparable and the webmaster may very well choose either one, but he knows ahead of time that one is legitimate, while the other might very well cause his account to be terminated.

Now consider a webmaster who does have this script or one like it. Like before, he can either acquire images from a zip file or he can break the rules and snag them from somewhere else. Neither one is particularly difficult, but one of them is allowed and the other isn't. Nothing really changes here -- it still takes the same amount of effort to create the gallery either way and the only difference is ethics.

So I guess I really fail to see how the script can encourage its users to break the rules when it simplifies legitimate gallery creation just as much as it facilitates unethical conduct, and the features which do make "breaking the rules" easier also in many cases simplify acceptable behavior.

Again, there are pleny of sponsors who allow affiliates to use images from FHGs in galleries on their websites. There is nothing unethical or illegal about that. It is up to the individual webmaster to know which images they have the rights to post.

Surfn 2006-03-27 01:28 AM

I have to agree with Tom. The only right way to use a tool is from data in the program or on your computer. Any kind of harvesting is subject to abuse and there is a greater negative potential then positive.

If we lived in a perfect world everyone would read and abide by rules. Unfortunately this just isn't true at this time.

Greenguy 2006-03-27 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Sticky
...acquiring images from a sponsor FHG is no different than downloading their content ZIP file because they both contain the same images. Arylia also allows for building galleries directly from zip files, so wether you grab the images from the sponsor FHG, or from the downloaded zip file, the results will still be the same...

If your thought process is that the images on the galleries are the same as the images in the zips, then your argument falls short, because there's no need for the program to grab the pics from the galleries, since they are in the zips.

I almost equate this to selling bongs with stickers on them that read "For Tobacco Use Only"

Doctor Sticky 2006-03-27 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surfn
The only right way to use a tool is from data in the program or on your computer. Any kind of harvesting is subject to abuse and there is a greater negative potential then positive

There are plenty of sponsors - especially in the babe blog market that our script was created for - that do not offer free content for affiliates to download and use. They only offer FHGs, and they give their affiliates the right to use the images on their own website in order to promote the content.

Our software and the relationship with the warnings supplied in the EULA are no different than any other company. Most software could be used to perform illegal activities when the terms of the EULA the customer agreed upon are broken.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenguy
If your thought process is that the images on the galleries are the same as the images in the zips, then your argument falls short, because there's no need for the program to grab the pics from the galleries, since they are in the zips.

If every sponsor provided zips for their galleries you would be correct, but in reality they don't. There are a lot of sponsors who only offer FHGs - and who give their affiliates the rights to use the images on their website. If we did not include this function in the script the users would not be able to build a gallery based on these sponsors' content.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenguy
I almost equate this to selling bongs with stickers on them that read "For Tobacco Use Only"

Yet, that's still perfectly legal.

Doctor Sticky 2006-03-27 10:45 AM

Alright guys, I'm done discussing the legality of our script. Our EULA clearly states our opposition to acquiring images from sponsors who do not allow it. At this point it's up to the individual webmasters to decide if they want to break the rules of their sponsor.

If anyone has any other questions about the script please let me know

kryptx 2006-03-27 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenguy
If your thought process is that the images on the galleries are the same as the images in the zips, then your argument falls short, because there's no need for the program to grab the pics from the galleries, since they are in the zips.

I almost equate this to selling bongs with stickers on them that read "For Tobacco Use Only"

No disrespect to you, greenguy. You run a tight ship here and it looks like you've been very successful. But if you're not sure what Doctor Sticky's thought process is, you must not have read the thread very closely. That's fine -- you probably just skimmed it, but he's made his thought process(es) abundantly clear.

Yes, in his first post he said "they both contain the same images". And for many sponsors (danni and twistys come to mind) this is the case. So why would I rip from the FHG instead of using the zip? Maybe the FHG contains fewer images and those are the ones I want (twistys zips are massive). Maybe they are ordered differently and I want to use the FHG order. Maybe I want to check out the content before I make my own gallery, and after I've done that, I don't want to have to go find the zip with those exact images (that's a pain in the ass sometimes on dannicash). The point is that an honest webmaster might want to do this, and it'd be perfectly ethical.

Second:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Sticky
There are a lot of sponsors who do allow images in their FHGs to be used for promotion on their affiliate's websites.

The fact that PimpRoll and AdultElite (and some other sponsors) do not allow this is not a very good reason to exclude useful functionality from a gallery script.

Third:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Sticky
There are dozens of sponsors which provide to their affiliates usernames and passwords for the actual members section of the paysite and the only way to acquire that content without a script like this is your right mouse button and a great deal of patience.

And last (emphasis mine):
Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Sticky
To address the problem more directly, consider a webmaster who does not have a script like this. He can either act in accordance with his sponsors' rules and grab a zip file, unpack it, upload it, and make a gallery in HTML, or he can illegitimately take some content from an FHG or a members' area, upload it, and make a gallery in HTML. The amount of time required to do these two tasks is comparable and the webmaster may very well choose either one, but he knows ahead of time that one is legitimate, while the other might very well cause his account to be terminated.

Now consider a webmaster who does have this script or one like it. Like before, he can either acquire images from a zip file or he can break the rules and snag them from somewhere else. Neither one is particularly difficult, but one of them is allowed and the other isn't. Nothing really changes here -- it still takes the same amount of effort to create the gallery either way and the only difference is ethics.

So I guess I really fail to see how the script can encourage its users to break the rules when it simplifies legitimate gallery creation just as much as it facilitates unethical conduct, and the features which do make "breaking the rules" easier also in many cases simplify acceptable behavior.

Finally, this hasn't been brought up, but often a webmaster has more than one site. I personally have used arylia to copy the content from one site to another, and put it into my new gallery template. If they're on the same server it could be done by retrieving from a local folder, but if they're not, why should I have to copy all of the files myself or repeat the work I've already done? Arylia does it just as easily as it'll do anything else. That saves me time, allowing me to spend more time promoting my sponsors and less time manipulating image and HTML files.

Greenguy 2006-03-27 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Sticky
...Yet, that's still perfectly legal.

Tell that to Tommy Chong :D

I could really give 2 shits what this script does, because I'm a big fan of not being lazy & making my sites by hand. Cookie cutter template sites suck ass IMHO.

But the being lazy part is a good example - let's say the sponsor says you can use the images that are on their galleries & they do not have them in a zip file - how lazy are you that you can't go & save 15-20 pics by hand?

Doctor Sticky 2006-03-27 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenguy
But the being lazy part is a good example - let's say the sponsor says you can use the images that are on their galleries & they do not have them in a zip file - how lazy are you that you can't go & save 15-20 pics by hand?

So you prefer walking to the store instead of driving? Do you calculate things on scratch paper instead of using a calculator? I bet you don't even own a microwave. ;)

You are definitely an exception if that is your arguement.

Point being, why would you want to do something manually when you have a tool that can do the exact same thing and save you tons of time... time to use on other things that do have to be done manually like networking with partners and promoting your site.

Surfn 2006-03-27 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenguy
Tell that to Tommy Chong :D

I could really give 2 shits what this script does, because I'm a big fan of not being lazy & making my sites by hand. Cookie cutter template sites suck ass IMHO.

But the being lazy part is a good example - let's say the sponsor says you can use the images that are on their galleries & they do not have them in a zip file - how lazy are you that you can't go & save 15-20 pics by hand?

My thoughts exactly.

If there were any useful shortcuts everyone would already be using them. Depending a script to do what you should be easily doing without it is ludicrous to say the least.

I could care less who uses it for their hubs or their sites. But you better believe I can spot a gallery made with a gallery maker every time. They will not get accepted at any of my traffic pumps.

kryptx 2006-03-27 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by surfn
But you better believe I can spot a gallery made with a gallery maker every time. They will not get accepted at any of my traffic pumps.

That makes me wonder what sort of galleries you approve, because I can't recall ever having seen a gallery that this script couldn't have made.

Arylia doesn't make your template for you. Yes, sample templates are included with the script, but I don't think anybody uses them. And you can make a different template for each gallery if that's how you want to spend your time. What it does is acquire all of the images (which we've discussed now at length), prune them if there are too many or duplicate if there are too few, rename them all for SEO, generate all of the appropriate thumbnails, link them to the images, build html pages for each (if you choose that option), and place the title, description, linked text and banners, and any other text strings you want on your gallery according to where you put them on the template.

Surfn 2006-03-27 11:55 AM

I approve sites and galleries built by webmasters that actually put an effort into their work and take the time to submit by hand. I doubt that you can understand that.

I'm done here since you two seem to want to argue and could care less about anyone's point of view than you own. Good luck and have a nice day :)

Greenguy 2006-03-27 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Sticky
So you prefer walking to the store instead of driving? Do you calculate things on scratch paper instead of using a calculator? I bet you don't even own a microwave. ;)

You are definitely an exception if that is your arguement.

Point being, why would you want to do something manually when you have a tool that can do the exact same thing and save you tons of time... time to use on other things that do have to be done manually like networking with partners and promoting your site.

If it took me a minute to walk to the store, then yes, I'd walk.

You're talking about taking a plane to a store that's 2 blocks away.

My point - and the point of others in this thread - is that regardless of what good you think it can be used for, the evil that it will be used for outweighs it.

Doctor Sticky 2006-03-27 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surfn
I could care less who uses it for their hubs or their sites. But you better believe I can spot a gallery made with a gallery maker every time. They will not get accepted at any of my traffic pumps.

Here are three galleries I made in under a minute using Arylia. Two of them have been plugged on worldsex, and one on the hun:

http://www.twistyswomen.com/gallerie...lesbian_mania/
http://www.twistyswomen.com/gallerie...es_having_fun/
http://www.freegalleryhome.com/galle...lack_lingerie/

Arylia is definitely not your run-of-the-mill cookie cutter template gallery building program. It's much more powerful. You can setup ANY template to work.

Toby 2006-03-27 12:13 PM

All three scroll horizontally at 800 pixel screen resolution. I wouldn't list any of them on my TGPs

Doctor Sticky 2006-03-27 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby
All three scroll horizontally at 800 pixel screen resolution. I wouldn't list any of them on my TGPs

Wow, that's a very trivial reason to deny a gallery. Have you seen the latest percentage of users' screen resolutions? Obviously not if your rules are still based on 1999 standards.

Toby 2006-03-27 12:34 PM

My own stats show that 25% to 30% of the visitors to my sites still use 800x600. I don't consider 25% to 30% to be trivial.

Doctor Sticky 2006-03-27 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby
My own stats show that 25% to 30% of the visitors to my sites still use 800x600. I don't consider 25% to 30% to be trivial.

LOL, that's because you only link to galleries under 800 width resolution. All the old timers who still have their 15 inch NEC monitors love your site. Good for you, you found a niche.

Toby 2006-03-27 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Sticky
LOL, that's because you only link to galleries under 800 width resolution. All the old timers who still have their 15 inch NEC monitors love your site. Good for you, you found a niche.

Why do you think most sponsor hosted galleries are under 800 pixels wide? Why do you think that most link lists reject sites that scroll at 800 pixels wide? Keep talking, show us how much more you don't know.

Doctor Sticky 2006-03-27 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby
Why do you think most sponsor hosted galleries are under 800 pixels wide? Why do you think that most link lists reject sites that scroll at 800 pixels wide? Keep talking, show us how much more you don't know.

Man, you're really reaching aren't you?


If anyone has any questions relevant to the Arylia Gallery Builder please let me know.

Useless 2006-03-27 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Sticky
Man, you're really reaching aren't you?

You're the one reaching, you dumb fuck. MOST TGPs don't list galleries that run wide at 800x600. You don't even know the very basic rules of the game, yet you're building software to simply our lives? Fuck you.

Doctor Sticky 2006-03-27 04:59 PM

Thanks for the positive feedback Useless Warrior, way to live up to your name.

The funny part is I never disagreed that most TGPs don't list galleries that run wide at 800x600. I simply stated that is a very trivial reason for denying a gallery, and that you are catering to a dwindling portion of the market (11% according to the latest industry reports).

And to clarify - not that it matters because you guys obviously don't listen - what I meant by "reaching" is looking for some small reason that doesn't pertain to the original arguement just to avoid having to agree with anything I say or show you.

Alright, I am done posting here unless anyone has any questions about the actual function of the script.

Flame away friends!!

Greenguy 2006-03-27 06:00 PM

Doctor Sticky - here's the problem: you're posting on a board that is populated by webmasters that think programs that automatically create galleries are shit, that programs that strip content for webmasters are just an excuse to steal, that the problem with the current state of TGP's & galleries are scripts like yours, that auto submitting software sucks ass, that 800 wide can be viewed by 100% and that's how we make sites & galleries, that free hosts suck, that counters are scumbags, etc.

So when you come in here to our house & spam your wares, you should not be surprised that you're being based, because not too many people here will condone your program.

I'm sure that it's being well received on boards that are populated with TGP people & gallery makers, but here, it stinks on ice.

Doctor Sticky 2006-03-27 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenguy
Doctor Sticky - here's the problem: you're posting on a board that is populated by webmasters that think programs that automatically create galleries are shit, that programs that strip content for webmasters are just an excuse to steal, that the problem with the current state of TGP's & galleries are scripts like yours, that auto submitting software sucks ass, that 800 wide can be viewed by 100% and that's how we make sites & galleries, that free hosts suck, that counters are scumbags, etc.

That is good to know, Greenguy. You should put that exact message (warning) up on your register page in big bold print. Seriously. I wouldn't have posted about my heathen script if I had read that.

Useless 2006-03-27 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Sticky
Alright, I am done posting here unless anyone has any questions about the actual function of the script.

|waves|

Greenguy 2006-03-27 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Sticky
That is good to know, Greenguy. You should put that exact message (warning) up on your register page in big bold print. Seriously. I wouldn't have posted about my heathen script if I had read that.

Maybe you should do some research before you post on board...like you advise your suers to do before they grab content from galleries :D

fetish1 2006-03-28 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Sticky
Alright, I am done posting here unless anyone has any questions about the actual function of the script.

Is that a promise??? |waves|

KCat 2006-03-28 10:59 PM

Legitimate question - can the script be integrated into WordPress for blog entries?

I like to build TGP galleries by hand, but with blog entries, it's the same template over & over. Saving a few minutes on each would add up over time.

Mr. Blue 2006-03-28 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenguy
I'm sure that it's being well received on boards that are populated with TGP people & gallery makers, but here, it stinks on ice.

Actually, no tgp owner worth his salt would endorse a program like this. Currently TGPs are getting hammered with multi-submitters, auto-submit, auto partner account requests, cookie cutter crap templates, ripped FHG, over-used sponsor content, and just about everything else that screams crappy submits.

If it keeps up most tgps will either go partner only, paid submits, or the tgp owner will just build their own galleries. I shut down my main tgp to open submits because I was getting 1000 galleries a day and only around 80 were usable.

kryptx 2006-03-30 09:27 PM

Just a few thoughts...
 
It's obvious that few if any people here are interested in the script, but this is an interesting discussion. Try to consider the following not as a sales pitch but as a plea for sanity.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenguy
here's the problem: you're posting on a board that is populated by webmasters that think programs that automatically create galleries are shit, that programs that strip content for webmasters are just an excuse to steal, that the problem with the current state of TGP's & galleries are scripts like yours, that auto submitting software sucks ass, that 800 wide can be viewed by 100% and that's how we make sites & galleries, that free hosts suck, that counters are scumbags, etc.

So when you come in here to our house & spam your wares, you should not be surprised that you're being based, because not too many people here will condone your program.

I'm sure that it's being well received on boards that are populated with TGP people & gallery makers, but here, it stinks on ice.

First, let's look at a few of the opinions you presented, because I think they are somewhat revealing:
  • that the problem with the current state of TGP's & galleries are scripts like yours
  • that auto submitting software sucks ass
  • that free hosts suck

The rest of the complaints are objective, easy to understand, and fair opinions, but these three in particular are a bit ambiguous and even reflect a fair bit of ignorance (I realize that you weren't saying that you hold them necessarily, but bear with me because those that do are listening). Obviously Arylia in particular is neither auto submitting software nor a free host, but the fact that you feel these are attitudes that many of your members exhibit is interesting to me because it indicates a disregard for the content of the product itself and a judgment based instead on its purpose, which quite explains the reactions that Doctor Sticky is experiencing (as I'm sure you know). I can dig the free host criticism because it's essentially based on common sense, but if the members here do think categorically that "auto submitting software sucks ass" then I wonder -- is it that they actually tried the software and it doesn't work (and therefore sucks ass), or is it because they don't like the volume and types of submissions they personally receive on their own websites? The former should preclude people from reasonably criticizing a new unknown auto-submitter, and the latter seems more of an effect of some sort of cognitive bias (google "fundamental attribution error" for more on that). So if we were to really pick apart these objections it looks like we'd find that they are quite vacuous.

As for the first criticism on the list above -- what effect have "scripts like yours" (Arylia) had on TGPs that is undesirable? I understand that TGPs receive more submissions now than they used to, and I assume this is the "current state" that you are referring to (since we can demonstrate to you, and I will explain below, that Arylia in particular does not encourage sloppy templates). I also understand that it is inconvenient for you to implement an account system and that you'd rather not. But if your goal is for your site to be popular and profitable, you will want a lot of visitors. And having a lot of visitors would result in a lot of submissions, regardless of the existence or non-existence of any gallery builder or auto-submitter. So if your complaint is that scripts like ours forces you to implement the features that you need for your site to be popular, I'd suggest you just shut your site down now because dealing with that is just the first of many steps to being successful.

All of these objections notwithstanding, I think everything would be okay if everyone had come in to this post, saying "Gallery scripts are stupid, they're ruining the industry". I can appreciate that viewpoint, like I appreciate yours (even though we disagree) and I think your responses, greenguy, have been rather insightful in general and even somewhat entertaining. What's a little difficult is that people are criticizing the script for something it isn't:
  • This script does not design your galleries.
  • This script does not impose any minimum or maximum pixel width on galleries it produces.
  • This script does not submit your galleries to other sites automatically.
  • This script does not produced "canned" galleries that look like thousands of other galleries on the internet, unless the user builds their template that way (which they can do either with or without this script).
The purpose is simply to automate some of the boring and redundant tasks that all of us have had to do at one point or another. If we only had to "save 15-20 images" to run an adult site, this script would never have been written. That task must be carried out repeatedly and there's no good reason not to automate it.

Producing galleries that will be approved on TGPs will still take some time because you have to put effort into designing a sharp template and place each image. What you won't have to do is resize all of the thumbs by hand in Photoshop.

The bottom line here is that at some point you have to use some kind of software tool to simplify your work. You're not working with sheets of binary code when you manipulate images. But you can choose whether you use a text editor or a tool that's made for building web pages, and you can choose whether to use MS Paint, or a tool that's made for manipulating photographs, or a tool that's made for making picture galleries.

Arylia was designed simply to understand that you are building a gallery, to make thumbnails, to place them, to keep track of and properly display banners and linkcodes where you specify, and to make even manual thumbnail generation faster and easier. It's not your personal gallery designer, it's just an assistant. You still design the gallery -- it just builds it for you.

So we can disagree about a lot of things. You are welcome to think that the script will cause a great deal of evil and engender an environment of thievery and dishonesty between webmasters and their sponsors. And if you do think that, then I agree that it is reason enough for you to stay clear of it yourself, and not to recommend it to anyone. You are also welcome to think that it would not save you any time, or that it is too expensive, or that TGP owners will never buy it for this reason or that. But criticizing this script, or any script, for something that it isn't is simply ignorant.

Surfn 2006-03-30 09:51 PM

Ignorance on this board has pretty much been rampant the last week or so. Today is no exception.

MrYum 2006-03-30 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Surfn
Ignorance on this board has pretty much been rampant the last week or so. Today is no exception.

Must be the eclipse |crazy|

kryptx 2006-03-30 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Surfn
Ignorance on this board has pretty much been rampant the last week or so. Today is no exception.

Thought you were done, chief!

Surfn 2006-03-31 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by kryptx
Thought you were done, chief!

I'm done trying to explain to hard headed asses but not done commenting.

Greenguy 2006-03-31 08:09 AM

That's one hell of a post :) Oddly enough, I think we agree on most of the topics & while I know that this script does not do any of the things that I ranted about, my goal was to give you guys an idea of what this board is about & what a majority of us don't like.

Your script is just one of a handful of steps that lazy & glory seeking "webmasters" can use to pump out & submit volumes of galleries in a very short time frame.

I'm sure the script is wonderful & helpful in the right hands, but then again, so are auto submitters, free hosts, counters, consoles, etc :)

SIDENOTE: I do very little with TGP's these days. I do still have a few, but they are private or "under the radar" for the most part. I haven't made/submitted a gallery in years...so maybe I'm not the best person to comment on any of this :)


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