Metal Cash (you have to read it from bottom to top)
 

This is why I wish affiliate programs would do a little research before they put on their "Marketing To Webmasters" hat:

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Greenguy messages history (you have to read it from bottom to top)

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:54 PM
From : Captain Obvious
stay away from my scooter and we won't have any problems

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:54 PM
From : Captain Obvious
you know how to piss of a fat man? take his scooter away

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:53 PM
To : Greenguy
honestly, I was with you until you mentioned the galleries

you want to know
how you piss off a Link List owner? You tell them that you have galleries for
their script

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:49 PM
From : Captain Obvious
take it easy man, enjoy your night if you can

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:49 PM
From : Captain Obvious
if you're busy then tell me you aren't interested, thats all you needed to do

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:48 PM
From : Captain Obvious
So yes, you're the asshole - don't link the sites, sorry for trying to offer
you something new that has potential to make you a bunch of cash

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:47 PM
From : Captain Obvious
when you said you don't do galleries I gave you the links that nobody else has

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:47 PM
From : Captain Obvious
you list something, you're sending us traffic already - I figured you posted a
few of the hosted galleries

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:46 PM
To : Greenguy
I'm the asshole?

do some research before you do this kind of stuff - I run a
Link List that lists Free Sites - I am not a TGP that lists galleries, so when
you tell me that you have all kinds of galleries, you come off as an uninformed
ass

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:45 PM
From : Captain Obvious
if your time is so valuable then don't respond to ICQ or don't put it in the
CONTACT INFORMATION in your account

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:44 PM
From : Captain Obvious
I'm trying to help you get tools to promote something hot before everybody else

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:44 PM
From : Captain Obvious
its unnecessary

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:44 PM
To : Greenguy
like an annoying telemarketer

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:44 PM
From : Captain Obvious
don't be an asshole

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:44 PM
To : Greenguy
yeah - seems really fucking stupid to go from webmaster to webmaster when you
can just send out a newsletter & be done with it

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:43 PM
From : Captain Obvious
does that surprise you?

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:42 PM
From : Captain Obvious
none, I'm an account rep, its what I do

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:42 PM
To : Greenguy
how many webmasters have yelled at you for bugging them on ICQ when you could
have just sent out a newsletter like every other program does?

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:42 PM
From : Captain Obvious
I assumed you'd want the cf links, if I was wrong just take the "cf" off
123joincf and you'll get the full $12.30 payout per join

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:41 PM
From : Captain Obvious
just take a look at the sites and you'll see why they sell so well

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:41 PM
From : Captain Obvious
www.metalcash.com/co/greenguy.txt

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:40 PM
From : Captain Obvious
they're a great item to have on warning pages .. something cheap but high
quality

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:40 PM
From : Captain Obvious
its just not fully released yet, we've done lots of testing we're just
finishing building the tools webmasters need

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:39 PM
From : Captain Obvious
yes, no new accounts, all on the same check as your current payouts

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:38 PM
To : Greenguy
is it part of the existing program?

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:38 PM
From : Captain Obvious
would that interest you at all?

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:38 PM
From : Captain Obvious
there are 9 different sites (9 niches)

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:38 PM
From : Captain Obvious
oh I see - well I can also give you the links and we'll have banners really
soon

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
To : Greenguy
because I do very little with galleries

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
From : Captain Obvious
may I ask why you aren't interested? these sites are selling like crazy

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
To : Greenguy
no thanks

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:37 PM
From : Captain Obvious
Can I get you a list of galleries so you can import them into your script?

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:36 PM
From : Captain Obvious
I have about 350 hosted galleries with long descriptions for the 123 program
right now in cumshot, hardcore and amateur niches

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:36 PM
From : Captain Obvious
the way it works is your surfers pay $1.23/month and you get $12.30 per join
(or $10 per join with cf)

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:36 PM
From : Captain Obvious
I wanted to tell you about a new program we have called the 123 Program

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:35 PM
From : Captain Obvious
Good I'm your account rep at Metal Cash

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:35 PM
To : Greenguy
yup

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:35 PM
From : Captain Obvious
Hi still around?

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:23 PM
To : Greenguy
hello

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 6:49 PM
From : Captain Obvious
Hello?

Date : 3/28/2006 Time : 12:24 PM
From : Captain Obvious
Hello, I'm your account rep at Metal Cash, how are you doing today?
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Aside from pissing me off by pitching the galleries that I have little or no use for & aside from the fact that this info could have been emailed to me in a newsletter like every other program does, here's the problems with this:
Please note that I didn't reply to the 1st message, but after the 2nd one came across 30 hours later, I only replied because I assumed there was some major problem with my account.

Ummm...ahhhh...errrrr...well, I did say "no thanks" 25 messages earlier!

I guess the moral of the story is be careful what info you put in when you sign up to promote a program :D

I hope his boss uses BoardTracker. :D

Whoa....what kind of customer service rep says this?

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:44 PM
From : Captain Obvious
don't be an asshole

That is not good under any circumstances. :(

EDIT: I missed this part too. He is actually YELLING.

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:45 PM
From : Captain Obvious
if your time is so valuable then don't respond to ICQ or don't put it in the CONTACT INFORMATION in your account

Again... :(

Nice customer relations, makes me want to run out and sign up....

lol Perhaps he should go by Captain Oblivious. 32 minutes of harassment per affiliate, and managed to call you an asshole in the process...I dont see this becoming a long term career for him!

So where are you flying those galleries GG?

not off to a good start...

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:47 PM
From : Captain Obvious
you list something, you're sending us traffic already - I figured you posted a
few of the hosted galleries

I would take the take that traffic away and see how quick people give you a call with a sorry. Never understood how people can bite the hand that feeds them.

WOW! I completely missed this part when I was typing up my rant. Wouldn't you think that the rep would have all the info on my account, including where I was sending traffic from?

A quick look at my referrals would probably show 90% of them coming from the category listings on LOR.

Hell - here they are for the 6 sales I've made:
Referrer
http://www.link-o-rama.com/greenguy/mlinks.htm
http://www.link-o-rama.com/greenguy/mlinks.htm
http://www.link-o-rama.com/greenguy/girlgirl.htm
http://www.link-o-rama.com/greenguy/girlgirl.htm
http://www.link-o-rama.com/greenguy/girlgirl.htm
http://www.link-o-rama.com/greenguy/teens.htm

Captain Obvious sort of missed the obvious. That just makes him Captain dufus.

Alex

Now, where is that 'tool' smiley???

Yea, some affiliate reps are not exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer |dizzy|

And calling you an asshole? Wow...this one takes dim bulb to new levels! Smooth...very smooooth |crazy|

Kind of reminds me of Yahoo! camgirls. |shocking|

So far I've only had good communications via IM with account reps.

A pox on the houses of all commission based sales reps

LOL I deal with it everyday. The questions drive me nuts, all the questions are in the FAQ on the site. When I tell them they should have read it. They get nasty. I just say ok well don't worry i dont need you on the site. Have a nice day.

I once was considering surfing a lot of the link list owners sites that post here, and hitting them up via email or ICQ (if I had it) to see if they wanted any suggestions to convert us. Or just to say hi and let them know my contact info. if they had ads for us up.

But then I remembered also seeing a thread where someone was upset that an affiliate rep emailed them after checking out their list. Most everyone replying in the thread was pretty much saying it was spam. So I scrapped that idea pretty quick. |badidea|

PR_Tom, I think that if you want to contact an individual webmaster, you need to come to the table with some info, some understanding, and some really good material that will make a difference.

Personal mail should be personal - no stock format, no cut and paste... make the link list owner think you actually checked out their site and made some notes or have some information. Just firing off a form letter is the fastest way to make people feel like nothing.

Now, you might also want to consider looking at your accounts and trying to group them together... link site owners here, TGP owners there, other programs sending exit hits or whatever over there... then you can segment market at least a bit :)

Alex

I guess I was just kind of trying to say that I can see the desire to go ahead and contact people when you're pumped up about something, but also the need to know the audience a little bit more before hand.

I prefer to be more passive anyway to be honest. I'm around at least 9 to 5 and post on several boards etc. so easy enough access.

It's going to be hard to resists ICQ'g GG the next time we release some FHG's now though! hehe |roses|

You guys ever known somebody who owns more than one site?

I know its hard to believe but some people do have a few sites other than the one in their account.

I was trying to cover all my bases with Green Guy and I got him everything he needed.

Metal Cash didn't send out the generic email because the 123 Program isn't officially launched yet, I'm specifically hitting webmasters that are already part of the program and sending traffic to get first shot at these sites.

Green Guy was rude to me for no reason, so I was rude to him.

Edit for typo

Dude, you're off to a fine start in your new career -lol
There are at least a dozen program owners here who will never, ever consider you in the future to represent their companies.

Note to Metal Cash: This is what happens when you recruit from the zoo.

You guys don't even read the full story before taking sides with greenguy because its his board.

emmanuelle .. recruited from a zoo? you attack me and I don't even know you so fuck off.

If GreenGuy would have taken a second and been calm and read then he would have obviously seen that Captain said that this program is not released yet and he was hitting up webmasters before the program launched to give them a change to push this program first... for all of you guys that don't understand. That means no affiliate email yet.

If any of you took the time to visit the link that Captain sent him, you would see that it's a list of sites like he has listed currently. After he said "no thanks" to the galleries he offered him paysite links. Please read and look before you post people.

Sheesh, this is turning into GFY.

Dude, look. if you knew much about GG at all you'd known the man is very anti-gallery. he is one of the most outspoken people in the industry about promoting galleries and favors freesites. IT makes you look like you have no clue what you're doing when you approach him on a topic like this.

Its like approaching a christian fundamentalist about getting an abortion for his daughter or a pamela anderson abou buying cheap steak (she's a vegetarian).

we're siding with greenguy because he's synonamous with anti-gallery and pro free site.

if you'd read his board or looked at his major sites or even talked to him first, instead of trying to shove galleries he doesnt want down his throat, you'd ave seen what is an 'obvious" mistake.

Please see post 21 before you post, or actually read the first post posted by GreenGuy.

You would see;

http://www.metalcash.com/co/greenguy.txt

Paysite links (like the links he has made sales with currently NOT galleries).

You're so clever with the 'obvious' mistake line.

If you would read into it I said if he doesn't like galleries I have actual links for him - I didn't force greenguy to look at galleries, I didn't tell him I have nothing for you but galleries, I asked if he wanted galleries, he said no so I gave him links.

It seems quite 'obvious' that I didn't do anything offensive to him before he said I was as annoying as a fucking telemarketer.

It's 'obvious' that everybody here is going to continue to side with greenguy because its 'obviously' his board.

Rediculous guys.

post 21 was posted as I was typing out my response, josh, so please calm down.

irregardless, read the conversation from back to front.


having some background in the telemarketing industry (i know a guy who did it for a living) its obvious what was going on here

Caller: want to buy _____?
greenguy: nope
caller: standard rebuttal
greenguy: no thanks
caller: second rebuttal.


and so forth. its annoying, bad, telemarketing bullshit. and if the rep was informed at all he'd known that starting off talking about galleries is fucking stupid and makes him look like an ass.

and the worst of it is that the rep becomes beligerant after the third rebuttal. calls greenguy an asshole. its pathetic and stupid and its not a great way to run a company.

the only thing that was "GFY" was the messages being shot towards greenguy:

nothing wrong with what greenguy said here. no reason to call him an asshole. after the 2nd rebuttal MOST people on the recieving end start getting upset, which is why MOST states its only legal to rebutt 1 time.

:)

to continue to fall back on the 'its gg's board so everyone will side with him' argument is ludicrious and it shows the major character flaw that you exhibitied in your original conversation. You dont think you can be wrong.

If you'd stop and think about it you could and can see why greenguy got pissed off and instead of realizing it and apologizing for it you grasp for any reason to continue to believe you were right.

Our galleries rock if you dont want them you're wrong.

I called you an asshole if peole say its unfair its cause its your board.

You think you cant be wrong and its impossible to argue with someoen like that, but let me say that you certainly have little to no place in the customer service field with that kind of attitude.

the customer is always right.
you are always wrong if the customer thinks you are.
greenguy thinks you are.
piss off.

I've contacted over 400 affiliates in the last few days and not one of them was rude to me like greenguy. I wasn't trying to sell him something, I was telling him about a new program that others can't promote which will make him good cash. 99% of webmasters find that to be a GOOD opportunity, not a chance to tell your account rep that he's annoying like a telemarketer.

You're confused about the situation Boogie. Greenguy signed up for Metal Cash on his own, of course I'm going to contact him to try and help him make more money.

And it's even more "obvious" you just cost yourself many potential affilates by coming here and being an "asshole"

Show me this in my conversation with greenguy.

Greenguy isn't a customer I don't have to go by "the customer is always right" rule - he's an affiliate, signed up to Metal Cash by CHOICE. Entered his contact information on ICQ BY CHOICE.

I fucking assure you that greenguy doesnt need your help to make money.

again that's the "I cant do wrong" and megolomaniacal problem of yours that caused this pissing match to begin with at work.

and if you knew anything about customer service, you'd realize that if you contacted 400 other webmasters and only 1 got pissed off, you have to treat the 1 pissed off one like he's right... that's the basis of the customer service industry my friend.

you should have treated greenguy like a friend or a star and instead you treat him like he's wrong and beneath you.

asinine.

See above he's not a customer, he's an affiliate. Two very different things.

I fucking assure you that Metal Cash doesn't need green guys help to make money.

cant quote it, you never said it directly, but it seemed like your intent.

but, I can quote you on something else;

For what its worth I am fat and comments like this arent helping your case.

if you dont understand that webmasters are your customers too, your most IMPORTANT customers, then you're beyond my help honest to god.

you think fucking MICROSOFT doesnt consider DELL a customer? and dell redisturbites their product to thousands of PC's in a day, making them one of the most important customers.

if this little basic tidbit of customer service has not found purchase in your brain I find it unlikely you're in the right field.

Thanks boogie but I know plenty about sales and I do understand webmasters, most likely better than you do.

I know you'll find this hard to believe, but I don't care.

Again Boogie, please read before you start posting.

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:40 PM
From : Captain Obvious
its just not fully released yet, we've done lots of testing we're just
finishing building the tools webmasters need

Sent at 10:40PM

That's before GreenGuy flipped out 4 minutes later saying;

Date : 3/29/2006 Time : 10:44 PM
To : Greenguy
yeah - seems really fucking stupid to go from webmaster to webmaster when you can just send out a newsletter & be done with it

Personally I see something very wrong with that actually, GreenGuy flipping out on Captain instead of reading and seeing that the 123 Program isn't launched yet and Captain is infact going webmaster to webmaster giving them a chance to make cash with this.

well josh, that's your opinion.

and I bet that the idiot who calls my house during dinner to sell me some great money saving oppurtunity has the same fucking opinion.

but if the reciever of the call or the recieiver of the ICQ doesnt want the fucking spam bullshit taking up his time a quick apology from the rep isnt so much to be expected is it?

but instead you folks seem to think its a better idea to call him an asshole.

the guy you were just appealing to to help make you money is now the guy you're screaming at.

and then you still dont see anything wrong with that, then i'm not going to be able to convince you otherwise. have a great day but just realize that most people arent going to see it your way, or the telemarkerters way.

If it were me I would pull all the metal cash links GG |banghead|

I am off to make fillers out of those wonderful tgp galleries |haha

I just signed up to metalcash because no other program in the industry will provide this kind of first class service like posting on message board that they dont need me and calling me an asshole over icq.

:)

GOOD. I'll be contacting you, don't be an asshat and we won't have any problems.

|cry| |cry| |cry|