A question for my fellow lady webmasters.
 

Do you think that of the women who surf porn sites each month, that a decent percentage would entertain purchasing a membership to a site? But have been reluctant to do so as the majority of the sites have material that appeals to more of a "cumslut fuck pics" consumer base.

if the site turns them on and entertains enough to have them consider paying for it, do you think a decent amount would?

Women are notoriuously savy and informed consumers, so I could imagine a sustained level of growth for a site that catered to their needs.(but I could be wrong)|huh

YES and YES!
I have promoted to women pretty much from the very start of my adult adventures and if the site you are promoting has what they want, they will not only join but stay.
Currently there is only one paysite I would promote to women and that is "For the Girls" by Purple Dollars. I have consistently made sales with them and best of all, they rebill like crazy (I have some members that have rebilled over 6 months)

Do a search on the board on the topic and you'll find quite a few posts supporting them.

Ooh, thanks so much for the plug, Tart :)

Karomesis, women will get out their credit card for porn. It just has to turn them on... OR not turn them off. I think the language you use on a site can make a huge difference to whether you attract women or not.

4women porn exists for that, but I know there are women out there who are into mainstream men's porn too. You will probably get people posting in this thread that there are female members on their paysites.

I've made a career out of offering porn to straight women. They DO buy. You just have to know who you're selling to and alter your sales technique accordingly.

I won't go into too much detail in this reply because as Tart says, it's been brought up in previous threads and I tend to get a little evangelical LOL

At the risk of sounding spammy, I've written several articles on the topic of marketing to women, you can find them in the resources section at Purple Dollars. :)

Ask 100 women what type of porn site they would buy a membership for, and you'll get 100 different answers. While not every woman is into "cumfuck slut pics" some of them are.

thanks for the replies|thumb

I can make assumptions all day long about what I think women want in a porn site, but it is interesting to hear it from women themselves.

My guess intitially was that women want to see more emotionally involved porn than the average guy. I know very few men who peruse the romance novel section of the local barnes and noble, but plenty of women.

I sell porn for woman. Not a lot but it does sell. :)

well i should sell porn for woman, i only lost alot of for woman bought content the last time my other puter crashed, and yeah the content isnt sold anymore and i have only a couple of pics left, but sure i think woman buy porn, i only find it hard to find out what kind, most for woman porn you see the soft and gentle for woman "guy fucking woman content" but if i ask my perverted girlfriends, they like the raw (or rough) sex way too, plus they like to watch solo gay guys(only if they dont show their asshole then")for woman porn is still a niche i dont understand, and yes cleo i am an woman:D

One of the things I often say when defining the 4women market is that it's about creating a space where women are acknowledged as an audience. Most porn aims itself squarely at men and male fantasy/desire so this can leave women feeling left out, no matter what the content. If you think about the way the industry is more focused on the female talent, the way male porn stars are often "average joes", the way you rarely see a female orgasm... all that stuff means that there are a lot of female porn surfers whose needs are being ignored.

In terms of my kind of 4women porn - the hetero couples/romantic type stuff - most porn doesn't offer this. The women who love "cumfuck slut" mentality of porn are already being catered to via the millions of existing men's sites. Those who want something different, be that more inclusive language, different fantasies, nude men, whatever... that's where I come in.
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And Stuveltje, if you think about what you yourself like, use that kind of content, make sure you're talking to a female audience in your advertising... and promote the right sites :D then bingo, you're making 4women porn.

I agree that I like romance in pics more, where it looks like the guy actually cares about how the woman feels. Where he is going down on her, and I like graphic sex pics too.

I also like sexy text, reading about romance can turn me on more than pics...because I get to imagine the people any way I want. :D

But, although I'm not into sex with women at all, I think women dressed in leather, high heeled boots, latex, sci-fi stuff is very sexy too. More from an artistic point of view than it arouses me point of view.

And I LOVE toons. Heavy Metal type of toons, not sailor moon anime type of toons, lol.

And hunks, BOY I like to look at hard bodied guys.

So Just me as a woman surfer I like a lot of different things. And porn for women SELLS, and it sells WELL and they retain like crazy. |thumb

I started out in this industry selling porn to Women in 99, and I did very well with it. But as to what's said, you better damn well know what you are selling and who you are selling it to. They can be very easy to please on one hand and some of the hardest out there to please on the other hand. Women tend to stay a little longer in a site than men do, as in monthly memberships, or they did with me. Once they find a site they really really like, they tend to be more loyal. They aren't AS likely to shell out the cash, but once they do, in my experience, they are more loyal.

Besides, who is going to tell them they can't spend the money on porn? Isn't that what WOMEN do? Men aren't at liberty to make those demands..... rotfl. Sorry, that was a joke.

When I ran my first site, I started out playing "I'll show you mine and you show me yours" and what I ended up with completely shocked me. I ended up with the women as the agressors and men as the content, somehow, but it worked. LOL

Since I was the initial content, guys would fall all over themselves to post THEIR pics to me, and then it started bringing in women to check out the straight guys, and pretty soon, the women were the dominant posters on it, and they DID buy memberships, but they are FAR more picky about it.

You would be surprised, seriously. When I was doing it, those women would say shit to those men that would make even ME blush and I have a nasty mouth. LOL

They'd say things to those poor guys like "I want you to ram that huge fat cock up my ass til I scream" and things like this, and worse. I could literally sit for hours and watch them, and the men LOVED it. So it was a balance. The dirtier the women got, the more the men posted their pics. They would print pics off of the guys and take pics of themselves licking the guys dick in the pics and then reposting them. It was a riot.

I don't have that site anymore, with the 2257 and all, but my point is, women are way more agressive about sex than you would think, providing they are comfortable with where they are and who is handing it to them. If a woman knows a woman is running the site, they tend to be a little more agressive and more apt to join and stay. Don't ask me why. lol

Hmmn...maybe not maybe yes. I mean this kind of stuff are not that important to women...I mean the contents etc...unlike guys who really are natural perverts women have lots of channels wherein they can be more creative with their stuff...

Like Selena said, it varies between women, and I daresay it varies between men as well.

Had an interesting discussion with hubby last night. He mentioned that now that we're going to buy a new DVD player, he might be interested in watching porn together. I said, sure, I got tons of porn lol, but he said he doesn't want any of that filth that I work with, he doesn't want to see facials, he doesn't want to see dicks and he doesn't want to see gyno pictures (that's his term for pussy closeups). He wants a storyline in the movie too, so go figure.

Tigermom I actually think there's a lot of guys out there who feel the same way. Your hubby should check out some Candida Royalle movies or the films at www.comstockfilms.com (which are popular with both sexes).

I used to sign up for sites all the time, I like the cumslut fuck pics. |thumb

Admittedly, there is a sampling bias due to the fact that this topic is being discussed in an adult forum.

Then again, I can't exactly go up to every woman on the street and ask her to decide the pros and cons of "cumslut fuck pics", as opposed to more literary oriented erotica.

keep the replies coming ladies. I appreciate the feedback.

Yes I am a webmaster, however I do enjoy looking through porn on occasion. There have been a few sites that I have actually paid for memberships for both out of curiousity. I also have a friend who has purchased a few adult memberships, but they were for dating sites

na i dont think what i like about man will work, to be honest i never surfed porn on the net before i did this bizz, i realy see this as my work (being an actress), so if i have to be the man who will fuck a lady in her ass at the park on my sites i will do that, what i like to see with man, and then i am not even thinking about porn, i just like to see guys in jeans, i like eyes, and butts, but butts in jeans not with open cheeks, oh noooooo, hell an ugly guy can get me soft if he has special eyes.... i am more the "i like eyes" kind of girl .....geeze i am simple:D

When i was married, my husband and i every week would rent something.. trading off.. and when he was at sea he'd search the alt.binary sites for 'special' pics to send me that "we" were going to do..we'd critique the movie or the pics and discuss how much better we could make them.. little did i know what a camhoe i'd turn out to be. |jester|

This is not true, not all women like emotional bullshit.

I HATE stereotypes.

The worst one is that men make more than money. Well, I' make more than most men do. It has nothing to do with the thread, but I just like to say it because it makes me feel good and most people ASSUME that the man in the house makes more. Just like they assume we like romance crap.

And I DON'T like emotional romance movies.

I am just as tough as any guy, I'll watch cum fuck slut movies and anal gaping and gangbangs and whatever else is out there all day long.

I am not a submissive woman who likes "romance novels" and is waiting for a prince to rescue me, I can take care of myself. I don't need a prince to take care of me, I take care of myself. I'm not a "demure maiden" and don't need to be protected from viewing harder obscene sex acts.

I don't need separate porn made for me.

I can do anything a man can do (and probably do it better) and watch anything a man can watch. And then some.

The last thing I want is romance from a porn actor on-screen. I want to use them as a piece of meat and as a sex object just like men use women...

If I want romance I just go shopping... that's what makes my heart really bloom...

Someone sounds a tad bitter...

i never saw it that way, well about the fact that men see woman as a sex object, but i know most men dont mind to have it the other way around:D

Well - as my little avatar usually states - Im definitely not a female - hope ya dont mind a little interjection here for a sec.
jackie brings up a really interesting point and its something I found when I was really pushing the porn for women niche a few years back.
I made up two landing pages for some search traffic/LL/freesites that both actually eventully got the surfer(assuming females here) to the same site.
The landing page that was the dirtiest , rudest talking and graphic way outsold the page I had that appealed to the "romantic, erotic" approach. It changed my views on marketing to women although I still try the laid back, softer approach off and on, I tend to see more sales when I appeal to a more basic level than the "heady, touchy feely" destinations.
Now if some sponsors would just add some sites designed with that in mind, Id be all set :)

Guys buy "4women"
 

I think that sexiness can be really subtle, and women appreciate that. I am continually surprised at how many guys buy my erotic story and video content that is mostly targeted to women. As someone said before, cum-faced fucksluts have their place but that is only one flavor of the juice.

i think and thats just my opinion, when gettng older you like more the "romantic and all" and before that age, you are just wild and like all, maybe its just like marriage, at the beginning you fuck like rabbits and later you think .....oh no here he comes again with his foolish act.......and now i realy am choking from laughter.....i am getting slapt by my hubby while i write this:D

You know what Jackie? I'm sick of women who put down other women because they like romance novels. Why are their tastes worse than yours? To each their own. Your entire post indulges in a swathe of your own stereotypes and it seems you have a few issues with men.

If you don't need porn made for you, then great. Off you go and enjoy your kind of porn. Goodness knows there's a shitload of it all over the internet.

But don't go assuming that every other woman is like you, or is not as good as you because they have different tastes.

Linkster: Thanks for your info :)

|angry| |huh

I never said all of them do.|confused|

And stereotypes sometimes have a scientific backing.

I usually prefer not to make absolute statements such as all, or everyone, or forever, as they oftentimes lack a basis in reality.


I never said anything contrary. |confused|

I know you didn't say anything contrary. I just said it just in case someone would think otherwise |jester|

I argued with some other people about the subject of men vs women (nothing to do with porn at all) and the consensus was that women can't do everything that men can. For example they stated that most things are invented by men, and that women were expected to raise children and be faithful and other things...

Don't mind me, I'm just in a bad mood so I like to take it out in the boards. It's a free form of therapy ....

Well - one more little interjection here - mostly probably because I was raised a little different than most back in the 50s and 60s - I grew up with a mother that worked as a newspaper reporter and had very controversial views at the time (think crosses being burned on your front yard and you get the idea) - however, in addition to the segregation issues that she dealt with, she also was on the "front lines" of the "equal rights and liberation" forces for women. I guess in that upbringing I was basically pointed in the direction of thinking that all people were equal - no matter the gender, although there were, and still are, quite a large percentage of both men AND WOMEN, that have very specific thoughts on their roles in society.
I now live in a very small town where women and "other races" are still at the bottom of the totem pole and what makes it really hard to accept is that everyone plays their part the way it would have been in the 1860s - and they dont really explore that outside world where things have changed - so they are content with their :roles" - kinda makes it interesting to have discussions and see their responses compared to what I was raised with.

What this all boils down to is I believe that women (as well as men) will go for what their environment (in their minds) allows - some may be of the romance and "swept off their feet" mentality, while some are of the "get nasty with me right now - Im a woman that needs it and will tell you to your face - when its not between my legs" approach. It just shows the diversity (theres a PC term I love) of our world :)

God I ramble when I drink - hopefully this made a little sense |crazy|

Makes perfect sense Linkster. Every woman is different.

To bring this back to a porn context, I think it comes back to the mistaken belief that "what women want" is all the same, and the idea that "porn for women" equates only to soft lighting, log fires and romance.

This idea tends to get some women upset (if you've read my long argument with Furrygirl on another board, you'll see what I mean). Things get all tangled up with feminism, and "stereotypes", and other fun bits of theoretical social deconstruction. I can understand that they may be frustrated, but often their arguments end up disparaging or negating other women's legitimate experiences. Thus, Jackie, my rather riled up response.

The fact is that there should be a variety of niches within "for women" porn, just like there are with men, but we haven't quite got there yet. (Give me time.) There's still a majority of people in the industry don't even believe that women like porn at all. So, right now, "porn for women" still tends to mean naked beefcake men, Candida Royalle movies and relatively vanilla hetero couples.

If you look at the full-on hardcore stuff, all the language still targets it completely at men. There's no acknowledgement of a female audience whatsoever. So until that happens, I believe "porn for women" needs to exist as a concept.

OK, enough philosophy.

Personally, I like the "cumslut" variety of pics myself... but the problem is that right now there is an overwhelming amount of misogyny on most of the sites out there. Sites where women are implied to be being fucked while drunk and passed out, for example, do nothing for me. Those sites where women are supposedly craçk whores desperate for a fix, are a total turn-off to me. (And I wonder about the kind of guy who finds that sexy.)

Sites where a woman is a horny slut and wants sex, do. There is a huge difference, to me, namely one of clear and informed consent and obvious DESIRE. If the people having sex together are clearly turned on and having a blast, THAT is hot to me. I really believe that desire and enthusiasm are the key, at least for me they are!

On my site, I might do a rape fantasy shoot, in the larger context of the fact that it is my own site, people can see it is my own fantasy shoot, set up my own way, and that I enjoy it and would write about it both before and afterwards. Alone, something like that is just kind of scary.

I don't actually even know any women who like the romance-y kinds of things... I mean sites like that "For the girls" site are definitely not my kind of porn. To me it feels condescending almost. I KNOW that is not the way lots of women perceive it and I'm glad it sells well. I am for anything that allows women to feel sexually empowered, whether it floats my boat or not!

^5 to Jackie! Whom I did not think was putting down other women, btw. And why is it that when a woman says she's tired of being told what to want, she sounds bitter? BTW, feminism is all about creating choices for women. Multiple forms of porn do that, so I am all for it. But some of the "for women" sites exclude all other forms of porn which may be for women, and I'm honestly not for that.

It is for me as well, I am actually turned off by actors who barely seem to be involved let alone enjoying themselves. They should call it the zombie niche|shocking|

And the lighting in some of the shoots, where are they shooting? walmart? fucking ugly as hell flourescent lighting makes people look old and tired. If you're gonna give the actors hundreds or thousands, at least invest some in decent shoots and good lighting.

thats a great question.... I think you will get different types of women who surf, but not sure how many will actually sign up.... most are probably browsing

i wonder if straight girls with an fantasie <------(focus on fantasie, so not a bisexual girl) about having sex with a woman would sign in for a lesbian site, now to be real if i look at the dutch lesbian woman in real life, they all look like guys and definitly not like the woman on girl for girl sites |huh so a for woman site could be also a lesbian site or a threesome site, or an shemale, shemale fucks girl.........oke now i have done it, i confused myself like hell |loony|

I think it's not just you Tamara. I know I feel the same way. A hint of realism combined with context and enthusiasm make for good porn. And I would say many people, men and women, would agree.

Again, my point about niches. You can't be all things to all women. You don't hear people complaining that Hustler is unfair because it doesn't contain pissing or BDSM content.

That said, For The Girls is broadly vanilla, but the members area does contain a variety of content beyond the "standard" so there's a choice for those who want to enjoy other stuff.

"Porn For Women" is a handy niche label at present. It may be inaccurate, but it's useful. As I said above, this may change in time. We'll see.

Like I said in the other thread, I have a pornsite for women and it does ok. I did a poll of the month to see what they wanted to see on my site.. And Big dicks won hands down..LOL then came, threesomes girl/girl/guy and girl/guy/guy then it was lesbian. So I try to stick to those subjects in my blog and it seems to work. I talk to them like I would talk to any other girl friends..They also like to see how to things..Like how to give a better blow job..LOL there favorite so far is how to squirt. I have mostly sold memberships to big dicks and of course everyones favorite the dating sites.
Women are alot harder to sell to then men that is for sure, but we need more content out there its very limited and hard to find stuff that isn't gay related.

From a female reporter looking for 4-Women porn.

Porn should keep a pulse on women’s needs
http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/...s.asp?id=37442

Yes I read that. She watches one older Candida Royalle movie and suddenly she's an expert LOL
I sent her an email

Over the years some of my most dedicated members have been women and they have varied in their tastes as widely as the men! Most of them say that they enjoy the honesty of my site, some say that they like that I seem in charge of my sexuality, while others really love the nastier stuff.
When I surf online I tend to be most attracted to really hardcore stuff that is obviously not posed but when I'm looking for a video I want something that is both pretty and dirty (Ninn movies mostly)
Sex positive movies like Candida Royalles are definately a valuable tool, especially for women and couples who are uncomfortable with full on porn expression but lets be realistic. People graduate beyond that more quickly than they outgrow a one inch diameter butt plug, once you slide it in you only want more. tee hee

I have bought memberships to paysites a good number of times, and I have a couple that I've joined for a month or two every year for several years running. I would probably buy a lot more porn if *MY* site was making a profit! |loony|

My husband, while he has a HUGE collection of naughty pics harvested from usenet over the years, has never once bought a site membership. Not even when I offered to get him one for Valentine's day.

Of course, I am totally non-stereotypical in my purchases: I go for hentai and extreme bdsm art sites mostly. Stuff which is perhaps not so easy to find for free. He goes for skinny waifs in panties, which are a dime a dozen.

I've not had any women members yet, but I had several lady fans when I was doing CamZ shows. They often spoke of loving my honesty, openness, and genuine orgasms. I've thought about marketing my site toward women, but I kinda feel I wouldn't know how to go about it - I've been off the pussy market for a decade and don't really feel like I know how to chat up a non-male person anymore. |huh My content is mostly me cumming in various ways, so there's a definite focus on female pleasure, and while my stunt-cock (hubby) isn't really beefcake material the genuine enthusiasm & affection of our couples scenes might, I think, appeal to a lot of women. It turns me on to watch our stuff anyway.|bananna|

If I weren't so afraid of the Jesus-police I would LOVE to start a rape fantasy site for/by women. I know it's a hugely common fantasy for women, and I think it would be super to have a "safe" place where women could enjoy that fantasy without feeling truly denigrated.