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There has been alot of talk about conversation. Do you think the company cheat us out of sales? Just wondering what peoples take on that is?

I think that they only cheat webmasters that use improper grammar.

they all cheat

yup and it seems they all cheat at the same time

I think you nailed the hammer to your head :D

Didn't Joe DiMaggio say that?

Yogi Berra!:D

Whachu talkin bout Willis???

I have caught several sponosrs cheating ESPECIALLY during the 1997-1999 years. But honestly its hard to get too mad because they get scammed by all the russian and other scamming asses. But on the other other hand I have reported scammers to certain sponsors and they don't do anything about it. To the credit of a few I have seen some take action against the bad apples .. and ARS has been one to terminate accounts when neccessary. But the industry needs to start working toward a global system to keep up with the cheaters and a way to make stat keeping more transparent.

ARS knows that I mouth off alot and don't pull any punches but I think they deserve some props for terminating accounts even if they were making bank off of an individual account who was scamming, frauding, spamming, or whatever. |thumb

Damn that made me laugh till I stopped

I was trying to utilize a style that the thread starter could identify with and agree with GG :D

Back to what I think is the original topic, which is affiliate programs (not affiliates themselves) that may or may not shave and the talk about conversions (as opposed to talk about conversations) I have one thought:

I doubt any programs that use & pay via CCBill cheat :D

Except for the rare occasions when shifty program owners decide to tinker with the rebill settings and alter the "Payments for Rebills End After: Unlimited" bit to 0.

-N

Oh yeah, I agree, some are shifty with that & others are just too stupid to set it up properly...but at least you can look to see if you're getting fucked right in the admin :D

Yep, just terminated another one today.. Oh wait :D

I've cheated on most of the people that I've dated.

sorry about the grammer. Well ok I have been promoting topbucks, twistys, and bangbros. Bangbros sorry to say seems shady has anyone else experinced that.

Why is CC Bill so fair I have stayed away thinking there more independent and so more inclined to scam is it the other way around?

Ok so I read CC bill is a third party billing co. I didnt understand that before. Well I am a newbie can you tell lol. So I guess my question is how do you know that CC Bill is getting everything on the up and up.

I am tring to figure all these stats out. Its a little hard and I know others are going through it too.

this is true, I can say for certain being that i only really sell one niche 'creampie' and mostly use ccbill sponsors that there is a MAJOR difference in conversion ratios between a ccbill sponsor and a big program, even the ones using GASP! NATS ! lol I know there are other factors to consider i.e. a bigger program can be more exposed and also their tours ussually suck for creampie traffic, as they are too photoshoped and flashy not amateur enough, even if the content is. But when the numbers are 1:100 or better off of any traffic going to ccbill on average and go way over 1:500-1:1000 or worse at a major program something is fucked.... I really notice the difference on a hun listing, since it is stricly same variables except for a few and a hun listing can generate 20-30 sign-ups for a ccbill sponsors and never more than 1 or 2 to a big program even with same CTR going to gallery and sponor.

and I still find it flat out funny, guess I should have added a smile or two so that didn't get lost!

Can we please stay on topic and talk about conversation?! It's not always about you guys all the time!!! :)

BangBros count 2nd page hits, so your numbers will be off compared to ccbill. I use them and going by my other sponsors on the same traffic see nothing that worries me in the slightest. In fact just the opposite :)

Let me make this very clear - I like BangBros, so this is not a shot at them, but if you think aobut it, since they count 2nd page hits, his ratio's would (in theory) be better than one that counts 1st page hits (unless he is talking about hits & not sales, as he stated above)

:D

Yeah agreed, I assumed the statement about them being shady was due to the low amount of hits being shown vs the amount shown elsewhere |thumb

Nothing against these sponsors, but a lot of people promote them, I mean a lot of people, and you're conversion ratio will directly be effected by the competition.

It's like having a hotdog stand in front of a Nathan's restaurant...it's not shocking when no one buys your hotdogs. Try smaller sponsors, ones that use ccbill, and see if your results improve.

and how good are rebills from those 20?

What does it matter if you are using ppj?

CCBill PPS? heard of that, but never actually seen anyone have this option

About two-thirds of my income is from CCBill based programs. I think there are two sites among the dozens that are PPS. It is indeed pretty rare.

Less than 10% of my income is derived from CCBill so I have never really paid attention. I do know I wouldn't submit anything to a high traffic source unless that program had an established track record.

I think the reason it's rare is that with CCBill's system you have to open two separate accounts with each sponsor to promote both the pay-per-sale and the partnership programs. You can merge them so that it's only one login to see the stats for both accounts, but it's a bit of a hassle none the less. CashFetish uses CCBill and does offer both programs, but only a handful of webmasters have ever taken the time to sign up to promote both of them.

Well, it's not like the original post was very clear & specific :)

Hell, for all we know, he could think one program is legit because he has a sale & the other is shaving because he has no sales :D

I really want to thank you all. I do this full time and work every hard as we all do. Well all of us white hat web masters. lol I have been at it for 4 months and in that time had to learn dreamweaver from not knowing what a layer or a frame was. I am also learning this business, there is a lot of shady stuff out there and I am glad to find a good place after all.
I want to make clear that I didnt mean anything about any of the companys I talked about. It is strickly business. I read 3 SEO books and have done a lot. My current ratio is 0:4500! Pretty screwed huh. I seem to get traffic from my trades, but google wont list me and yahoo has sent me 29 hits cause I can seem to find a good term to opt. All of this is fun, but I am broke lol

If you want any love from SEs, you'll want to fix your page names.

http://www.cockhungryhoes.com/sky%20...ee%20porn.html

Looks like you have spaces between words in your page name. Definitely not a good idea.

You mentioned Dreamweaver (which I don't use) so you may want to read this page.

But basically, just don't do that.

Also, you really should get rid of the link to this board on some of your cockhungryhoes pages. GG will bite your ears off for sending surfers here. :D

Aside from that, you might consider adding some form of consistent page to page navigation, adding a site map page, and doing something about your exit link page.

If you want their love, you have to court them a little more.

Thanks a lot. I was thinking they would get pissed for not sending hits back. I will also fix the page title, right away. G doesnt like me I guess this is why? I didnt do anything dirty. Or at least not intentionally. They wont index me for I guess that reason. Yahoo, shows me love though?

Excellent! I have a lot going past the 2 year mark, and most of my good ccbill creampie sponsors retain for a good year or more. Some of these sites update 3 times a week, and most are owned by people into the niche/fetish. For example creampie cathy is all run by her and her husband, it makes a big difference to the surfers.

Thanks Simon, I am off to find CC Bill

This has been one of those 'my head hurts, my feet stink and I don't love Jesus' days and I have two things to say here.

1) Less than 5% of my income comes from CCbill. The other part of the untold story is that the remainder comes from Social Security.

2) It is refreshing for someone with far more knowlege than utter bull shit as well as much clout as anyone on the board to reconginize and post:
Any put down of CCbill sponsors is as stupid today as it was yesterday. It is time for some of you to find something else to stroke your cock to.

Who gives a fuck where the money comes from as long as it makes it to your pocket in the amount that was due to you. Therefore, if you are concerned about honesty then CCbill sponsors are your only choice.

And oddly enough, those are the programs I get the highest percentage of sales from. :)