Gallery page submit?
 

Ok,
I read something and I am a little confused now. That is this: "subbing galleries to a freesite LL can get you banned/black listed." I have a gallery page www.cockhungryhoes.com I don't want this to happen. My question is what type of site should I be submitting too? TGP's? I have been doing link lists because after reading many TGP's rules I have generally found they want 50 hit's a day and don't have have those kind of number. I have heard you should start with free site to get traffic and then turn it into a link list? I know I have many question in here but how exactly does a free site make money?

Link Lists link to Free Sites & TGP's link to Galleries.

I am guessing that you read:
in the rules of your sponsor who supplies the galleries. They are referring to the fact that you are using galleries not on your site. If you want to submit to link lists or TGPs you have to have your own galleries on your own site, not free hosted galleries.

If you don't know what I mean look at :
http://www.wildjunglesex.com/free-po...pussy-licking/
Once you enter the site, look at 'gallery 1' and 'gallery 2', you will see that they are both on the same domain as the index, and so are all the pictures. If you could check the domain (you cannot, it is 'whois protected') you would see that it is registered to me. That is the sort of site you need if you want it listed on link lists, and those are the sort of galleries you need if you want them listed on TGPs.

As far as I know, no link list or TGP will accept your listing free hosted galleries, and yes, many will blacklist you if you do submit them.

If you are wondering what the point of free hosted galleries and free hosted site is, they are used mostly by link list and TGP owners to pad out their lists and/or make a buck. People who have TGPs and link lists will list their sponsor's free hosted galleries/sites, with their own affiliate id code.

Thanks Ecchi, you and Greenie explain thing very well. I thought the sponsor made you do it like that because of the way the use restrictions. I also have done it that way because I am with a paid host but a very cheap host and when I put alot of pic on my site its so slow people leave. Sound like I have kind of a catch 22. Moneys tight, and I am married tring to keep expenses down. I will just have to change it and make it right. I dont want to make people mad. That explains why so many of my link dumps dont send me hits.

How do you do a 'whois protect'

Assuming you are not using too big a picture (file size not width) then change host. A slow host will kill a lot of sales. It will also get you blacklisted on some link lists/TGPs. A decent host can be got for a dollar a gig, so why put up with a lousy host?

I don't, I pay my domain register to do it for me. I think it costs a dollar a year, and for that they put their details in place of my contact details and only give out my true details when someone has a genuine legal claim (e.g. if I use someone else's copyright material).

Ya I am with godaddy. I was with webair but man they were expensive and you didnt get much bandwidth. Now I do for cheap but its not worth it. Who is good and decently priced? I feel like I been set back to step 1 but its about getting it right you know.

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Do a search on this board for threads about 'GoDaddy', but make sure you have some clean underwear ready before you read any of them, you will need it afterwards.

If you mean as a register, I use http://www.registerfly.com Apart from a few teething problems when they split from Enom I have had no problems, and their prices are OK. But their new site design is not as easy to navigate as it should be. If you mean as a host, I use http://www.exmasters.com/index.php?ref=ecchi for most of my sites.

Never think that. Even if you start all over again, you will find that you will re-use some old stuff to do it. Also remember you have moved ahead by all that you have learnt. Nothing is a "step back to square one" it is "regrouping for a new attack".

Thanks man, I will look into how shitty godaddy is and then find someone else. I will check out your link.

Well ok,
So Godaddy IS pretty shitty. I have never seen that on here. Not sure why I didnt see it. How much GB is needed would you say for a free site? Is 10gb enough? This will be the third host since Feb so I would like a good one. Its hard to keep switching. After reading the godaddy stories it good at least my domain is through directnic.

10Gb a month is more than enough, unless you intend to submit the galleries to someone like the Hun. When I first got proper hosting I think I went for 1Gb per month.

Remember a good host will let you upgrade your package at any time (When I moved to Exmasters, I think I had 10Gb a month, and I have steadily built it up till I now have a dedicated server and a scary bandwidth bill every month). Most will also allow you to buy additional bandwidth if you get close to your limit.

Well I would like to go with the cheapest just until I see a little cash even if it's $20 dollars. I just didnt want to get screwed. I would like just a 1GB. Then upgrade. Cool so your not locked in. I will do that this week then. I will use your link just give me a 2 or 3 days. I need to go learn a little.

cockhungryhoes - don't put whois protection on the domains you intend using for free site or gallery submissions. Many, if not most, link lists won't list anything on a whois protected domain.

Really? I've never seen that in any rules?

cockhungry hoes - 10GB should be fine for your first month of submitting. It will go up pretty quick tho, but you will be making sales to compensate.

Neither have I, yet I know it to be true. There are a lot of policies that aren't stated in "the rules". Anyone who reads the link list forum regularly would know about the whois issue.

Well that is called Cheating. Any webmaster who does not list a site for reasons he does not state in his rules is a linkback thief. No honest webmaster wants to be listed on any website like that.

And as to actually having it as a rule, the reason for whois protect is to prevent spam and direct mailing. Anyone who actively works against whois protect, is at best encouraging spammers, and at worst a spammer himself. Any webmaster who submits to a LL or TGP that he believes has this rule is a fool, because you are sending your email address to someone you know is likely to sell it. And as your 'submit' email address cannot really use any spam filtering (because many 'confirm' emails contain words that will triggers spam filters) you most definitely don't want that to happen.

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I'm not a big fan of protected whois info, because that makes me believe that you have something to hide & that you're not a legitimate business.

I am also the furthest thing from a spammer that you will find & I'm offended that ecchi tied those 2 things together.

I do now have it posted on my rules page, but this has been discussed so many times...anyone who's on top of the free sites game should know about it. Also, I notify people when it's an issue...so it's not like this is some 'secret' reason to decline sites.

Ecchi...sometimes your cluelessness is truly amazing |loony|

You know what, ecchi - fuck you. I'm not in the mood to argue. I'm right. You're wrong. Piss in your tea.

I am! |thumb

It's obvious you don't submit freesites.

First off, every linklist that I have submitted to -- which used to be a very great amount -- always has a line that says something to the equivalient of, 'your page is listed at my discretion', and most go further and say they may just not list a site if it is unattractive or they are in a bad mood.

Secondly, I can't off hand think of any linklist owners that don't check for a protected whois and would still list a site with a protected whois without having any knowledge about the submitter prior to his first submission. <- See I left in the possiblity of an exception.

Jigga-what? This is absurd. I can gaurentee you that my submission email address has never received any SPAM whatsoever. But maybe that was just because of my reluctance to submit to eastern block linklists.

Sorry I offended you.

I should also point out in case anyone who does not know G. has read my post and his reply and is putting 2 and 2 together to make 5: I have had free sites listed on his link list that are whois protected so you should not assume I am inferring anything about his site.

When I have voiced this opinion privately (i.e. not on an open board) the answer most people give is along the lines of "Why don't you just give false info when registering a domain, like I do?", so by the law of averages I would say that people who don't use whois protection are more likely to be 'untrustworthy' than those who do. (And before I offend anyone else I had better point out that I do NOT mean that everyone who does not use whois protect is dishonest).

What this usually means is 'So don't try to be clever and get round my rules on a technicality' Also, although some have this rule, "Always" is an exaggeration.

Well, one or two say this, not most. The 'unattractive' part is a rule like any other rule, they are saying 'your sites must look good' so fair enough, that is their rule. The 'bad mood' part I have only seen a few times. Once on a site that listed everything I submitted, so presumably this was a joke, and all the other sites that said it (or something similar) sent so little traffic when they did list that I now take it to mean "I'm a newbie, don't bother to submit unless you have a lot of time on your hands"

Then you are either the luckiest webmaster on the planet or only submit to sites that were recommended by someone you knew.

Now take a look at Preacher's, MrYum's, and Greenie's post and compare and contrast it with yours. What they are using is called 'reasoned argument'. They have not convinced me of their point, and I don't expect I have managed to convince them of mine. But at least we all tried. But a post like "fuck you......Piss in your tea" is an insult to everyone who visits this board, you are not just insulting me you are urinating in their playground as well. If you want to swear at me, feel free to PM me, I do read all PM's. It is just as effective (or ineffective) as posting on the board, but that way 'innocent parties' don't have to read it.

careful UW you might corrupt us or something :D

sorry, I shouldn't get involved but I couldn't resist...I'm baaaad

Fuck you - go piss in your tea.

You aren't new here. If you've read my posts and found my manner expression in poor taste in the past, then you could have said something then. But no - it's only wrong when I say it to you. And how anyone else on this board would take it as an insult towards them is beyond my scope of comprehension. I did, after all, say "You know what, ecchi - fuck you."

EDIT: Oh! Top sig placement on page 2. ;)

See I always thought it meant that we list your sites at our discretion, I guess I must have read too much into that.


And so is "by the law of averages I would say that people who don't use whois protection are more likely to be 'untrustworthy' "

By that logic, where the Hell will we get our News from now?!?!

cnn.com
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csmonitor.com
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From Greenie's rules page: "27. If we just plain do not like the site (this happens when I'm in a bad mood)"

I guess the green part of his refers to him being new at this whole linklist thingy.

Awesome, must be why I won $125 when the Steelers won the Superbowl.

Actually when I used to submit to a ton of linklists I used to grab LL names off of the Resource page here and on occassion SecurityMan's trade script that runs on the bottom of submit pages. Unless something has drastically changed in the last year, I guess those are the only completely safe places to choose Linklists from, which is cool because I'm listed on the resource page here. |thumb

Oh, and Useless Warrior is amazingly sexy and witty. I just thought I'd add my two cents about him here.

{edit - swapped in greenie's new nickname instead of his old one} ;)

Ok, so Up top you guys were saying I need to link my own gallerys and not to the free hosted gallerys. I get that, and I am going to make some changes. Now I saw something that kind of confuses me. Mr Yum has a great new site http://www.free-porn-post.com/ but looking at it I noticed that the index page leads to a kind of sales page I would call it and no gallerys are on the actual site. It leads directly to the membership sites tour. Am I wrong. His site is awsome but I am confused by the difference in set up as far as what leads where? It was my intention to do this kind of setup. I am not so sure I did, but what is the difference? Aside from looks cause that is way better then mine I will be the first one to say..

I do know mine turned out like a gallery page, and his is a free site I am not that lost. Is that the difference. Test links vs images?

MrYums site is a link list, your site is a hub, basically some pages with advertising. No LLs will list a hub.

Start building quality freesites and submit them to LLs. When you have a few hundred you can start thinking about converting your hub to a full fledged link list.

Oh yeah, one more thing. Don't assume that all advice you get is good advice...

Actually, you just need to scroll down a bit further...all new free site listings are on that page...as well as on their respective category pages :)

And yes, there is a big difference between a link site and a hub. In general terms, a hub is where you list your own sites...think of it as an internal link list. Of course, you'll have some ads on the page(s) of your hub.

A link list is a site that lists other peoples sites...that have been submitted/reviewed. A link site of course will also have some ads to make money for the link site owner. In the case of my new design, I specifically chose to not run sponsor banners on the site for now. Instead, I'm using links to 'premium' sites as well as mixing in some sponsor hosted free sites :)

So a "hub" is a free site, thats purpose is to start generating traffic. If any money is made its from the surfers clicking on the ad's?

I'd advise you not to listen to that advice! :D

Seriously dude, just stop. I'm as willing as the next guy to pass on information, but you have to do some research on your own.

This board is filled with threads about free-sites and linklists that list free-sites. Go to any linklist you see here and click on some of the free-sites. Search the board for definitions of hubs. You should note that what the industry actually considers a "free-site" is not just a free porn site. There's a structure there, learn it.

Learn the definitions, research. Research some more. Then come back and ask some questions about what you can't figure out or find. You'll get a lot more respect that way. No one wants to just hand you everything, because we've worked hard to learn everything we have and build everything we've built.

Sorry, I don't think I was clear enough about why I objected to your post, both you and a couple of other people seemed to have misunderstood what I meant:

I was NOT saying that I felt personally offended by your post, or by being told to 'piss in my tea'. You are entitled to your opinion, and I have a worse said to me. The point I was making was that just posting comments like that rather than making a point is beneath this board. I would not have objected if you had said something like "Ecchi you are (insert favourite insult here) because when you say......you do not realise that....". Just posting "You know what, ecchi - fuck you. I'm not in the mood to argue. I'm right. You're wrong. Piss in your tea." is the sort of response you see on some boards, but not usually here. The reason I said it was "an insult to everyone who visits this board" was not because they may be offended that you used these words, but because this ain't that kind of board.

Read my original post through again.

You are listing Fox News as a good source of news???? Please tell me you are joking!

I'm going to ask cd34 to check VBulletin for bugs. No way can you have 767 posts here and be surprised that I would respond that way. :D

Take note that I wasn't at all offended or insulted by:
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I'm still not in the mood to argue the original point though. I'm shocked that you didn't realize that that is pretty much a general policy amongst mature link lists, but I don't give two (or even one) shit(s) whether or not you agree with it.

I never said I was surprised by it, just disappointed by it.