Could this be a potential new niche? or would it generate no interest?
 

While responding to another thread someone gave a link to a site with loads of hard core video but someone else pointed out there was no cumshots.

this had be remember a video i watched of a wannabe celeb performing oral sex on cam. The woman was clothed and the guy just had his pants undone with his tool out and the video was shot 100% by a cam located in one spot with no zoom or anything like that.

But the cumshot that happened at the end of this video was not seen. I mean you knew the guy finished it off, he went from rigid to soft and she definitely made swallowing motions with her mouth and throat that were evident, but not exaggerated. In other words... it looked REAL and for all intents and purposes it was.

That is, bar none, the hottest oral video I have ever seen and not one speck of 'man juice' was wasted.

I am wondering if anyone thinks that would sell or if it is just not marketable because of the lack of sperm seen?


spaz

I've often wondered about stuff like that. Personally, I don't care for the money shot. Jizzing on the girl's face does nothing for me in porn, or real life. If I wanted to finish with my hand I would have started with my hand. That being said, I would hope non-cumallovertehgirl'sfaceattheend porn would succeed, but I think it would be rather hard to market without specifically defining it as a niche. Unless people are expecting it, many will be surprised and annoyed. That being said, it would sure be hard to make it clear what was going on from a thumb.

Maybe you could do a eunuch niche like the eunuch shoots his non load.

No i seriously agree with Simon in his reply. my experience in the real world with girls that swallow is i don't have to stand a foot away and aim for her mouth, then afterwards have her swirl it around in her mouth, push it out onto her lips to prove that what I just expelled is indeed there and then make a production of choking it down...

they just swallow it and thats that... and to me any way, it is much hotter then painting a girls face with it... who'd wanna kiss that afterwards? LOL

it is my understanding that eunuchs cant achieve an erection... sort of the point of them... so i doubt any porn featuring that would ever generate income.

this is a serious question


spaz

I've seen a lot of oral/swallowing sites, including paysites, so I don't think it's an untouched niche, just not a popular or heavily promoted one.

The castrated trannies that I know can get hard.

i have to say, I hate cum shots in porn..I love it in real life but something about it in porn puts me off

all the ones i have seen (including one from a former employer of mine) make a big production of showing or proving that the 'payload' has been delivered. I am talking about a site where they just swallow it the way it would take place in what I would assume would be your every day type of oral experience.

if you know of a site like that then please spam me with it, i'll have my wife promoting it tomorrow :)


spaz

well then i stand corrected and learned something new today, but in all fairness, my exposure to castrated trannies is somewhat limited heh heh


spaz

A certain board member does alot of CIM shots on her site! But, she doesn't have a WM referral program. So you'll either have to wait for her to reply, or do some research!

I long for the day when more sex scenes don't have a money shot. It will make my life so much easier because I won't have to edit the bastards out.

I don't know which is worse all the spitting on the genitals or the cum shots. Both are just plain nasty. Right up there with pissing and menstruating porn.

It's like being on the bottom while getting fucked and the guy starts dripping sweat all over me.

Then there the woman who squirt piss when they cum and think it's sexy. Nothing like getting a face full of piss while giving face to end the fun.

I guess I like my porn and sex without body fluids all over it.

There has to be a market for non messy porn.

I am with the rest, cumshots are not a big deal to me, not all that exicting, or the spitting out of the shot. But swallowing that is hot and I think better if you dont see it come out, huge turn-on. Would'nt it be much like selling any porn fantasy, using the imagination as to what is happening even though you can't see it?

As Greenguy said, a few sponsors out there with swallowing sites, but think they all show the load. I'm sure you could make money at it, might not have a huge following, but I am amazed just about every day what people are into and how many are into it. I see many little narrow niche/fetish sites that have quite a following. Just today learned of a fetish I never even thought would have exsisted, yet all kinds of stuff on the net.

FInally! A guy with retrograde ejaculation has a use in porn!

That's my way of thinking. After doing all that work to get that shit out of me, I don't need to see it or want to clean it up - whereas Preacher wants to see her catch the load in her mouth, shoot it into her own anus with a straw, then a have a close-up shot of her farting it back out onto her hand and licking her fingers clean. He worries me.

I think that would be quite something to see, actually :D

the funny part is that I don't mind creampies, but facials - especially extreme & bukkake stuff - kinda grosses me out. I'm all for swallowing ;)

I've long wondered why the porn industry is fascinated with the proof of ejaculation. Why do guys need to see other guys coming? Especially when they're all paranoid about "catching the gay" if they see too much of the male porn star in question.

Imagine how much easier life would be for male porn stars if they could just fake it, and the woman looked like she was swallowing, and they all went home happy? Porn shoots would probably be cheaper :)

I'm biased, of course, and hypocritical, because I want to see the women come.

Lots of great comments in this thread, thanks everyone for participating and keep them coming (absolutely no pun intended)

I agree with Cleo, i am turned off by the whole bodily fluid thing and don't know why.... except for the sweat thing, if its a clean sweat, that can be hot for me... if its a smelly sweat gross!

spaz

That pretty much sums up my thinking. |thumb

And though Preacher was making a joke, a tantric man doesn't need to ejaculate to experience an orgasm... or two, or three, or more. ;)

Actually, I love a good mess. The more fluids involved, the better... but an interruption to whatever stimulation caused the fluid production is heresy in my holy-book!

If it starts by jacking off over someone's face or genitals, so be it. But if I'm inside a warm and squishy place, I don't want to start all over again, so I can cum outside of it. |badidea|

I think some porn preferences revolve around what you don't/can't have in real life.
For example a guy with a lovely partner who would rather stick a needle in her eye than go near his cum might have a thing for watching women who genuinely appear to love cum.
Maybe the whole swallowing thing is more to do with the woman really wanting that cum - to not make the guy feel like he's a repulsive cream-shooting freak.

I've always found that the biggest turn on in real life, and the biggest by a long long way, is a woman who wants to have sex and enjoys being forward and taking the lead. So I'd definately agree that happily swallowing rather than a facial or dribbling or whatever, even if you never actually see any gloopy stuff, could be a real winner providing that the gal isn't gagging as she swallows - she has to love doing it or at least convincingly appear to love doing it.
:)

After posting I was thinking about that point, too. Presumably, the guy is jerking off while he watches, and as has been mentioned, is living vicariously through the dude in the scene. Still, the guy splooging out makes for a very male-centered setup, with him grunting his way through and the focus on his cum... doesn't really do it for me.

Raises interesting questions, about the "living the porn part" compared to just watching (sologirl, etc.) Does this mark a categorical difference in masturbation consciousness? Movies are often enjoyable because they let you imagine you're playing the part, but sometimes they're just beautiful scenery and story, external to the watcher's vicarious experience. Makes the line between porn niches thicker drawn, when they are enjoyed on significantly different phenomenological levels. The question is, what happens when you blur the line between the two, in the context of porn? Basically, what I'm getting at is, you may be living through/as the guy and getting your fantasy out that way, but it's a rather convenient way to get your inner-gay on by enjoying the pure sight of the guy cumming. Sneaky cumshot fans, I'm on to you!

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I can deal with the facials..nothing I haven't done in real life...for me it is when cum is drunk out of glasses and stuff that makes me want to hurl. Really, it is best served fresh from source.

Last night I'm watching the lost room with my neighbor the sex/porn addict.

We often watch porn together and he loves all the spitting on the guy's dick, cum dripping out of a woman's pussy as another woman drinks it, facials, money shots, anything with loads of cum or spit all over the place.

BUT, as we are watching The Lost Room and the guy takes a knife and needle to cut out his own eye in the mirror, it's just fiction mind you, he had to leave the room.

I have no problem watching blood and gore like in surgery or or simulated but the messy porn makes me want to hurl yet he gets excited watching this but can't watch surgeries.

To each their own I guess.

Hmmmm, I would say something but Its just to easy :D

as for the thread I think
its just monkey see, monkey do..... bullshit

one company has a big money shot at the end of every scene and their dvds sell so everybody does the same thing

what about monkey see, monkey do, monkey do monkey do?
if someone invested the time and money into developing a high quality site with this type of content, the big question would be would the affiliates avoid it because it lacked what was at the end of the DVD that made lots of sales.

Personally I would enjoy a site like this because it suits my more laid back sexual appetites... but from a business POV I always want to consider what will attract the affiliates that will attract the surfers that will sign up and allow us all to get King Sized Paychecks.


spaz

i dont mind to look at all the cumshots or whatever, as a reviewer you are forched to look at it, i do have a problem with looking at those yukkie cumshots content in the early morning, because in the early morning at 6 i start to review and in the meantime i eat my favorite breakfast a peanutbutter sandwich, and i can tell you watching some content of a lady who is eating a sandwhich with cum will realy make you *PUKE* so i think its time i dont eat breakfast anymore when i am reviewing....i know whats my point well there isnt any, i just wanted to mention that:D naaa what i mean is the net offers the surfer all kind of porn, what one person likes can turn off the other, i think there is a buyer for every niche or fetish or yukkie thing, so there is probably also a group of surfers who realy like to see the "no moneyshot" but "looks like she swallows it all" content and wanna know what i think? i think i talk to much:D Stu---->>> getting back to surfing the net and fooling around things

spaz

if was intersted in doing this

I would check around at some content providers and see if any have anything to offer
if not how much they would want to shoot it non execulsive.
it wouldnt take much they just need to shoot a second ending for you

then i would start with something small
maybe an avs site then make galleries, premote it and see if it sells


the internet is a big place and the webmasters that last find a small corner for themselves
maybe this is yours

Porn is just like techno music; make some minor changes and you have a whole new niche :)

Personally I'm with Preacher on this one (or so I think). I want to see lots of cum, real life or not. I'm lucky to have such an understanding girl, but how much more fun wouldn't it be if I was Peter North?

Thanks Tommy, very solid advice and I appreciate it. I'd rather give the company I work for a shot at doing this before I committed to it myself. They have been making some damned good sites and would love to see how they handled this :)



spaz

I think you could start a new niche and someone would like it. I think most men would be like 'hey, where's the money shot?' Because they call it the Money Shot.. I think you pretty much need it in porno.

I do think guys like to paint the town red and paint your wife white.

I remember seeing something about this on an HBO Real Sex episode a few years back. They interviewed a retired female Pornstar (one that had been really big in the 70s/80s, sorry can't recall her name) who had turned to directing ad was producing stuff for female audiences. The project was under the wing of some major player in the industry (might have been VCA) and she was shooting full time.
Along with a more romantic and relatable/real-life take on the sex (the scene she was shooting while being interviewed was an attractive couple stuck in an elevator scenario), her contention was that the product without $shots would have been more appealing for the growing market of female consumers who demonstrated (according to her) no appeal for money-shots.
So the grinding was basically the same as in more romantic-type product but the cumshot was either internal (no dripping of course) or swallowed.
Don't know if this helps, especially because I have never seen such product in either pornoshops or the net, but I thought it was worth mentioning...
Good luck with it |thumb

Zio, you are talking about Candida Royalle's Femme series of films. She's made 16 of them, they sell very well.

When she made her first one in 1985, the majority of porn industry people she spoke to couldn't believe she wasn't going to do money shots, and predicted she'd fail.

That first 1985 film has been rereleased recently and, as I said, still sells.

We've echoed Candida's approach with our own porn for women, so we edit out cumshots. Of course, that's not to say all women don't like moneyshots, but we're simply going with our own tastes and what we believe the market wants.

And I'm sure there are men who want to see internal cumshots/swallowing too, because it's more realistic. I believe there is a growing market of male porn consumers who are sick of a lot of porn cliches and want something different.

Thanks for the clarification. I just couldn't remember the name of the lady. But the story did stick since I still remember it...
So now I'll have a chance to look for the product to check it out. |thumb