Sexdug.Com / Useful Scripts Blacklisted
 

Hey Greenie! Are you sending out rejection mails on all submits or only some? Haven't gotten an acceptance or rejection on sites subbed a few weeks ago? Just wondering?

Conformation, rejection and acceptance are sent out on all submits are you getting conformation emails?

No! Just double checked my submit box where I keep all past accept/rejects. I've subbed maybe 20 sites over the last 3 weeks and are just getting back to reviewing what was left out there and noticed this odd problem. any ideas?

What domain or email address do you use?

Example: http://www.triplexxx.info/fetish/bes...eek/index.html

Nick DJ
Email: prom@sexdug.com

I'm only subbing from Triple XXX, but have continued with the sexdug.com email (which I still own) because that's where I started.

Check out http://bl.usefulscripts.com/blocked/appeal.phtml your email address domain is listed in there and file an appeal

Well that's insane! I've never taken down a link, I've never run an email campaign, I've never redirected, I've never done anything that would/could be considered inappropriate ever. Thanks for the referral because I'm about to take this real personal.

It tells you the reason right next to it and its none of those things

Yeah I just checked (thanks for helping me) and it refers to a vid cap rule and I entered an appeal. So am I to infer that because sometime long in the past I subbed a free site that used video caps, that someone banned me and has chosen to fuck with my whole business activity?

Now I understand that the blackist is and has been very helpful in dealing with bad characters and I'm, all for it. But this is ridiculous to put somebody on the list for a vid cap!

Also, since I've not dealt with this before what's up with not identifying the webmaster that put you on it. That is some straight up pussy, coward, bullshit. I wanna know who did this, cause first I don't want to submit to such a pussy MF anymore and second if somebody wants to play in this petty mode then I want the right to play back too.

Am I to understand that all I have to do is buy a script from Useful and then I can too go and blacklist people who might annoy me in the slightest sense?

I'm sorry for ranting in this thread. i just can't believe that this anonymous system is how this is being used. This is not right! If someone takes a step forward like that, then they should identify themselves. MML How do I find out who did this?

The black list is used by lots of link lists and the appeal system sends that link list owner the appeal. I have know way of knowing who it is but it takes about 24 to 48 hours so and keep in mind this is Sunday as well.

Thank you for your response. I only wanted to confirm that this is an entirely anonymous system. I don't give a fuck about the appeal. I wanna fight the pussy MF that has the balls to do this. The pussy piece of shit probably won't take me off anyway cause I'm calling him/her garbage, coward, a piece of shit whom I'd bitch slap if they were in front of me and therefore are too damn cowardly to ID themselves. I wanna fight the petty, pussy MF that has the balls to do this.

I'll start another thread for my rant. You've been kind and helpful and don't need to listen to my crap. Nevertheless, I'm thinking how cool is it to be using a blacklist that can so easily be abused and affect people over matters that aren't really appropriate for such draconian measures.
Vid cap.... really? It's embarrasing that an established member of this board can get this kind of treatment over such a stupid thing.

Sexdug.Com / Useful Scripts Blacklisted
 

This is first to let everyone know that our submits using the email addy promo@sexdug.com will now use a different email from the domain TripleXXX.info. I could have just done this quietly and probably served my purposes better, but fuck that and the pussy MF that blacklisted us.

Why? Because it has come to our attention that a lazy, cowardly, pussy, piece of shit blacklisted us at Usefulscripts for vid caps on a free site. VID CAPS!!!!

We have been a member of this board for awhile and our business practices are spotless. We completely agree with the blacklisting concept and usefulness for keeping undesirables out. However, we have been submitting sites with purchased content for well over a year and haven't even submitted from the Sexdug.Com domain for at least as long.

However, we are aghast that instead of sending a rejection notice or deleting the submit; that some whiny, little, bitch rat instead put us on the blacklist. We've appealed this morning of course so the WM that did this should be getting an email. I'm hoping that you have the courage to identify yourself, you spineless little, petty, fuck.

On a related note, how can some of you be using this blacklist without a significantly greater bar to entry than someone didn't like your freesite? Even this would be fine if the WM who blacklisted you didn't get to hide behind a black curtain of anonymity. This is just not right. Also, how are you blacklisted without notice and then on top of it there is no higher power to review except the WM who put you there to begin with. How stupid is that? To the WM who was too lazy to just send a rejection notice, FUCK YOU BITCH. Tell me who are?

Now some of you know me from the board or my list, etc., those who don't check my posts. I am not given to unkind words, unhelpful advice, or lame posts. I am an easy going, go along to get along kind of guy. Up until the point that someone agressively decides to jump into the middle of my pond with bullshit. There becomes a major problem that I want to crush and now I'm thinking about you all day, every day. The WM who did this is a stupid punk that thinks' they're smart or clever and I hope and pray you stand up you gutless piece of shit then we can play like real men. Don't be a pussy all your life.

Don't get me wrong, we've been listed consistiently by most sites and we have great traffic so its not like he is ruining me and now I just have to submit from a new email. But on principle alone the current process for blacklisting is too secret and too easy. All one has to do is buy the script from Useful and now they can go blacklist all their annoying competitors. You can bet I'll be doing that if Useful Scripts fails to respond to the cease and desist letter. This is just stupid.

Thank you very much.

Whoa...lil extra coffee this morning DJ?

No offense bud, but these things happen...and frankly popping up on that list is not a HUGE deal. You were right to appeal of course, though I gotta admit your approach in this thread could have been handled better if you had any hopes of the other party complying with your request to be removed.

A few points about that particular blacklist. Most reviewers use it as a tool, another check point...nothing more. I have several things I check on new submitters, that list is but one of them. If I do run across someone on that list, WHY they're on there weighs heavily on how much credence I give the fact that they're listed. Vid caps wouldn't phase me a bit, since I accept quality vid caps.

Lastly, simply owning the script from Useful doesn't give you access to add people to that blacklist. I ran their script for well over a year and never had the need or access to bl someone.

On a side note, please continue using your old submit addy when submitting to me. My script doesn't like the odd TLDs like .info.

Seriously, take a deep breath man...this isn't that big a deal. Oh, and by the way...if you were to check my submit addy, I'm listed for templates from a long time ago. Appealed and the listing is now inactive, but it still shows up there...not a big deal :)

Hi DJilla,

Getting blacklisted for vid caps is pretty lame IMHO. Like MrYum, I too have made that list before, appealed, and was then removed. Not too much of a big deal, but it can be enough to piss you off for sure. Some webmasters are just too good for some of us it seems. I like to think I submit quality freesites, but some wms are just so picky or their ego is out of control, it's not even worth your time. I'd also like to meet a couple of these webmasters in person, and slap the holy fuck out of them.

Anyways, I hope they show up and identify themselves, this might be an interesting thread. :D

Yeah! Thanks for the "cool down" I have been walking back and forth muttering all kinds of expletives. Its a nice day and I'm going to take the dog out and get some air. BTW, I was being sarcastic about getting the script just to blacklist. I would never do anything like that... because its wrong and would be far, far, far, worse than the pettiness that I'm complaining about.

I do overreact massively when someone jumps into my life without cause. Because of this I go waaaayyyy out of my way to avoid problems or conflicts and mind my own business and move forward. I'm very bad with conflict and loose all perspective and just want to smash everything. This of course has served me pretty well in the real world giving pause to people who don't really have an axe to grind with me and don't want to make one. Obviously online where people can hide so easily, my attitude is not productive, I know this and apoligize for anybody's sensitive ears. My agressiveness was meant to goad the WM forward and not to kiss his butt for an appeal. I just think if you're tough enough to want to mess with a man's rep or money you should step up and say who you are. Then we can see.

I guess I'm also having a problem with a blacklist that can so easy hurt business relations and yet the original poster can be anonymous. Also, as you know I'm completely freaked about even the word "blacklist". You had mentioned it to me a while back in connection with a site being flagged as possible spam for being on a shared IP and as you also know it took about 48 hours before I moved it to a dedicated IP as a result of your helpful heads up.

Secret tribunals and "I've blacklisted you and you can't do anything about it unless you ask me nice" is difficult for me to handle. But thanks again for the "take a deep breath". I go throw a frisbee for awhile.

|crazy|

Ya think? What totally blows my mind is that this would be an allowable reason. I have heard and seen nothing but good things re: Useful Scripts and this was a shocker. I'm in complete favor of a good blacklist but jeesh how bout administration and moderation?

Thanks for the kind words.

Now, I'm really gonna go and take the dog out. Instead of doing it right away like I said above I started doing searches and stuff. So I've learned that this kind of lame blacklisting for reasons that have nothing to do with cheating or multisubmitting, etc. has being going on for years. I see posts from people who were new in 2002, 2003 and are now well known WM's complaining about being blacklisted because their site scrolled past 800x600, or other petty stuff. Appeals are not responded to and just who is responsible for running this is some kind of secret. Well I can see why.

I've even identified several lists that use this blacklist and obviously judged vid caps as not very important because they've listed my sites pretty regulalrly. Thanks for that at least! I wish I would've known though.

I also see some of the biggest names on this board that I like and respect as being often identified as secret go betweens that can miraculously take you off. If there's no good reason to be on there in the first place you shouldn't have to kiss anybody's ass to get off. Ohhh, this has got me fried.

OK, so now I've insulted a lot bigger guys (cause I haven't changed my opinoin on these practices one bit). Blacklisting people from your list is one thing but causing them to be blacklisted from potentially other lists who are not as lazy and petty based on your word is just wrong. Period. This is never something you could get away with in bricks and mortar. I hope that maybe we can all take a look at this a little closer and see if there is a more bright line to draw on what behaivor should be blacklisted and what is being disrespectful and anticompetitive. Oh, and hey how about a simple notification email so a WM isn't busting his butt for hours, days, and weeks only to find that some little creep has undermined all his efforts cause he can't be bothered to simply delete the submit. This makes my sick.

I hope my posts do develop a healthy exchange of what's really appropriate in using/administering this blacklist or any well used blacklist. If its just for competitive advantage, or just becasue a WM is lazy, or once placed on the list can't be removed without the secret password that's straight crap and something should be done about it. I can't believe I'm seeing all these posts on multiple boards regarding the same problems over years.

Blacklisting is a hostile act and one should have a very good reason for doing it and do it in the open air. If the system has been abused (I'm speaking from all the posts I've read) why has this gone on for so long.

UsefulScripts - Not Really
 

Hi! Some might have seen my rants on the UsefulScripts Blacklist. Now that I'm not so angry and more focused I'm ready to proceed.

After review of their website which apparently hasn't been updated since 2001 and many links are outright broken I was finally able to locate a phone number (+44 (0) 1732 773 723 ).

Its slightly before lunch in the UK. I have called the number of Inet Publishing (the purported owner of Usefulscripts) which is a cellular phone answered by a female who hangs up when the caller (me) inquires whether this was Inet Publishing. A second call was also hung up on without further inquiry as to why I was calling. A third and fourth call went unanswered. I'll try back again later but so far I don't expect much responsiveness. That's fine I was only calling to find out who if any their legal counsel was.

You can't successfully sue a foreign national in the US. Not true. Actually its very easy particularly if you have fairly decent initial skills to get the ball rolling which I do. What will happen is that I'll file suit in the local federal court which if Useful Scripts has a pot to piss in (which I doubt) they'll hire a local attorney to defend. If they don't show up I'll receive a default judgement. Can't collect a judgement on a foreign national you say. Actually not true either.. there are some tricks to doing this too. However, no matter, there is no limit to the amount of collateral trouble you can cause when you have judgement in hand. A judgment gives great legal authority for accumulating information and developing additonal actions.

I was greatly encouraged by my emerging plan when I fell upon by the recent precedent setting $11 million rulling against SPAMHAUS the anti spamming company and right here in Illinois which makes it easy for me to get all the legal filings from our electronic docketing system.

I'm all for a well run blacklist that captures cheaters and the like. What I'm not up for is a BL that is not administered correctly, unresponsive, and a list that has no verification or notification process and is a tool that allows petty WM's to blackball competitors without process. Furthermore, I need to do a little more research but I'm pretty sure that a civilian can sue a private company under US Racketeering statutes, that means that all of you webmasters that contribute to it under the blanket of secrecy will be actionable under a default judgement as well.

One of my domains is on this list for having "vid caps". I've seen many other posts from WM's who were on this list becasue their site scrolled past 800px or other some such crap. If you've been on this list and had to turn cartwheels to get off, or tried to get off and was ignored or not responded to, or other such perceived injustices, please PM with your story and details about how you found yourself on the list, how long if ever it took to get a response or get off. All PM's will be kept confidential. I am only trying to build a pattern of behaivor from your information. If this BL list doesn't change its practices on its own to be more formal and proper, I will change it one way or another. It may not happen tomorrow but it will happen.

Thanxxx |santa|

Good luck...

Thank you! Don't get me wrong, again I'm all for a BL that works for everybody and is fair and accountable. This one isn't it. Few minutes ago found out the UsefulScripts code was written by Richard, one of the bigger players out there. Also, this script is used by some of the bigger lists out there. So why do I want to pick a fight with people I like and who could theoretically further damage my efforts out of spite? Well that's a tough one. Basically I'm pissed and that's always a bad thing cause everything else gets shoved aside. But most importantly what's been going on here for years is just wrong. If you're blacklisted on this list for the pettiest of reasons, all of your efforts, expenses, time, etc. has been wasted in the case of all those lists that never even look at your site because its rejected at the bin level. To me that means someone has wasted a lot of my time and money and I want it back.

My biggests problem with this whole thing is that you may or may not even know your on this list. Lack of notification of being on the list and identification of the person that put you there make the whole thing stink. How can we be welcoming and encouraging newbies on one hand (who are the lifeblood of this LL biz) pretending to help them and then with the other hand let some coward blackball them and waste all their good faith efforts?

Remember that most people that link to you don't charge you money and spend a good deal of time and money doing it. I think that this post would convince most of them to stop even with out the blacklist.

I know if I was a link list owner I'd cut all communications with you in about 3 minutes after reading this post.

There are much better ways to deal with the issue.

Don't you love it when you decide to take a whopping 36 hours off from work and something happens where your phone rings & your ICQ go nuts with incoming messages?

I'm not even going to lower myself to the wonderful name-calling game you're playing. I'll just say that I'm surprised to hear this from "an established member of this board", especially when you have no idea who you're directing the comments at. While I (LOR) did blacklist you, it was not me personally that did it, but I am responsible for my site & my reviewers, so I will assume that all those comments were directed at me.

Let me try to explain why you're on the blacklist. It was not just one submit - I'd be insane to blacklist someone based on one submit. You were blacklisted for repeatedly breaking the rules - in this case, we saw repeated submits that contained vid caps, which has been a LOR rule for a very long time. When something like this happens, we blacklist the domain in question because the submitter is obviously not reading the rules & pretty much wasting our time (and please remember that this was done long before I put in the accepted/rejected emails)

You were blacklisted from submitting to LOR. No other Link Lists, just LOR.

If you're upset that you were not notified about being on the blacklist, remember that you never bothered to notify me that you were not reading the rules & repeatedly submitting sites that broke those rules.

You'd have been a lot better off if you too this into account before you continued your little rant. I probably would have taken you off of there if you had. But now, after reading these wonderful comments & horribly incorrect speculations about me & my business, I'm not sure what I should do.

(6 months ago, I'd have told you to go fuck yourself right after I asked my reviewers to find & blacklist everything you own - but I'm still trying out this "Kinder & Gentler" approach :D)

I'm sorry you feel this way and I understand completely where you're coming from. I anticipated certain blacklash warranted or not. I've done a lot of board research and I've seen both sides of this matter and won't argue with your inference that "better ways to deal with this" means the conventional ones of begging and doing things quietly without creating a fuss and asking "please take me off the list" and not calling the secret WM that banned that domain a coward and piece of crap. I get that and I could've done that, you're right. I have even gently been warned "relax", no big deal, etc. But, I think you miss my personal point.

IMHO, a person whom I do not know has caused me to loose potential income, attacked a reputation, casued me to waste time which to me is money, and has done so in secret with a system that never notified me, gave me chance to respond, or offers any way for proper review other than to the webmaster that did it to begin with.

The principle is that I would never allow such a thing to occur in front of me or by someone who was affecting my business in a similar way in the real world. How can I possibly accept this in the virtual? I can not accept someone's hostile actions and then turn around to that WM and say please help me. I physically can't do it. Maybe you are a better person. If I interfere with someone's money and rep then I should expect some repurcussions. Its just that simple.

I'm thinking that maybe you avoided some of the very real deficiencies I pointed out regarding this particular BL system and how it works in favor of not liking my attitude. I'm sorry for that. Its not a matter of KA... its a matter of right and wrong.

I would hope that some people can relate to my point of view and are equally annoyed at the arbitrary administration of this list to be fair and accountable. It doesn't make a difference if you can get off by asking nicely when you shouldn't be on there to begin with.

I'll take it that your post is coming down on the side of not wanting to do biz with me because of my manner. That's unfortunate and saddens me because again I'll admit my attitude can get real bad when teased but only when I'm provoked first. My attitude shouldn't make a hill of beans in this debate. I think it should be about the business points I made.

Just so everyone is not completely confused, 3 threads on this subject have been merged into 1 (so it may read a little goofy)

Have you sent out email notifications about that? |couch|

First, let me say that you should have been relieved that ONE link list blacklisted you due to the use of vid caps and they never bothered to mention that the domain registrant name of your submission email address is different from your triplexxx.info domain. Most link lists would blacklist you for bad whois - and never tell you.
Requesting to be removed from that blacklist does not require begging or lowering oneself. One merely needs to acknowledge that they made a mistake and now realize what they did wrong. One doesn't even have to come to the board to be removed. No one esle even has to know.

You don't even know how long you've been on that black list. How much attention are you really paying to your business?

Hostile actions? YOU THREATENED TO "BITCH SLAP" THAT REVIEWER!!! I've said a lot of rotten things to people on this board, but even I don't threaten physical violence. In my worst melt downs here - and I've had a bunch - I never told anyone that I'd bring physically harm to them.

You bitched in the LOR thread, then went on to start two other threads over a minor issue. Everyone else who discovers that one of their domains is on that blacklist simple appeals it - they don't lose their mind, or this case, MINDS - since you seem to have a partner.

You can't "lawyer up" against Useful Scripts for inactively defaming you and harming your business while actively and publicly making libelous statements about theirs.

I can't even imagine how you'd react if all of the link lists owners reading this right now publicly admitted that they are heading over to their admin to blacklist you for being an ass.

Well at least I've moved one step forward and now know who and why. Of course some intuition told me that I would eventually run up against a bigger guy if only becasue those are the ones who use this usefulscript. Of course my rant was to provoke someone forward with an explanation. Now that it turns out to be you whom I know to be a very reasonable, helpful, and straightforward guy I will sincerely apologize for all and only the character attacks that I made upon the "secret WM". I don't think the things I said to be true regarding you personally. In that case I was in error and wrong.

However, regarding the list and the way its run I have to say I feel the same.

A couple of example facts. At the time that I subbed from Sexdug I was a straight newbie and am sure didn't even know what vid caps were. Also, it couldn't have been too many submits that "violated" the rules because I didn't submit that many from that domain because I quickly saw that I needed to know more to work better. Maybe I subbed one a month or so for a few months.

Regardless, by the time I picked it back up and I'm buying content and buying designs and subbing from new domains but scrupously following the rules by using my same old email addy I'm finding a year later I've been BL'd. Which dovetails into my previous comment about how cool is it to be helping newbies on the one hand and then blacklisting them for minor mistakes with the other. Other webmasters do use this list for checking and a submitter can be unfairly penalized. But, hey since you're using an email addy to ban would it be so hard to use the same addy to notify?

Additionally, you've added more information which tells me that I was only banned at one domain which was not the distinct impression I got from the research posts over the years that I looked at. I stand corrected. Any WM can ban for any reason from his/her site.. period. My problem was the wide net that such secret banning causes and I'm clearly not alone in this thinking.

OK! Nevertheless I've run my mouth. I apologize for attacking your character wholeheartedly however my opinoin that the system still sucks stands. You have done more to keep this business on a straight line than anybody else I've ever come across so I take all my fighting words back and have no intention of pursuing any of this any further. Sorry to start your work week off badly but my weekend sucked.

UL

I'm not going to respond to your various points except to say that there is no question I was over the top. I've apoligized to G above and will now deservedly take my lumps from those of you that want to flame me. I have a problem with overreaction and I'm not on medication. I'm an ass and have insulted one of my industry idols. If I suggest that its partially because I see internet conspiracies all around me that is hardly adequate. Flame away.

calmo......

Be honest with me on these, because your reply will weigh heavily on my final decision on all this:

What did you think you'd accomplish after you filed an appeal at 9:55 AM EST on a Sunday with the 2 other threads instead of waiting 24-48 hours for the appeal to be reviewed?

What do you think I should do now? Or, even better, what would you do in my situation?

G, I'm always honest and straightforward in business you can at least take that to the bank.

What did I think? Well, firstly it was my perception of the situation at the time that I was banned from anybody that used Usefulscripts. That being the case I just completely freaked and saw every list that doesn't send out accepts/rejects were not getting my sites. With that, I didn't care about an appeal I just wanted to fight. I felt insulted and challenged and reacted in the way that I do when that happens... insanely. There were no thoughts about how to move forward happily I just had paranoid thoughts of some middling WM screwing with me and my having to come back hard. The fact that the usefulscripts website didn't appear to be updated and many of the posts I read regarding people who appealed and were ignored didn't help to temper my anger. I was just like "screw it" all in. So to answer your question I wasn't thinking about the appeal process becasue I didn't believe it was the small matter that everyone said it was. My issue was never that a particular WM could or would ban me; that as I've said is anybody's right to do. It was the idea that such a thing was net wide for users of the script. I was wrong and popped off ridiculously in advance of having the correct facts. OK, so now you've all seen the bad side of my character. When I get in that mode I can't pull back.

What would I do in your shoes? I mean that's hard to say. I'm sure you know that as I've said I could never direct any of those comments to you personally if I had known it was you. You're a a real stand up guy. Period. And so far I have never disagreed with anything I've seen you do or say. Whether you want me submitting to you or not is entirely your pleasure and I claim no right in any way. I would hope that you wouldn't ban me from the board for stupidity, agressiveness, and profanity as it won't happen again.


What would I do

Fair enough. If you search your domain on there, you'll now see that it's "Inactive" meaning you can submit to me.

The one thing I'd like to know is did you read someplace that the blacklist was used by all people using Useful Script's Link Admin? If so, I'd like to go & clear up that little tidbit of misinformation.

More Than Fair; which is your usual style. Thank You.

This so totally sucks. I can't believe I did this. |banghead| My posts are so horrible and off the scale. I apologize to everybody that has to read that dribble. This "ballistic" crap used to happen a lot when I was younger not so much these past years. You can imagine that my temper and passion has caused me some measure of greater problems at times. I am so, so sorry to everyone as well as being highly embarrased for loosing control.

Regardless, of what your decision might have been, A few hours ago I sent you a holiday gift, again with apologies. I hope you like it. You should get it in a few days. Again, please accept my humblest apologies.

With regards to the misunderstanding on how the black list actually works, I accumulated my general impression from this and other board posts regarding it and admitedly a lot of the comments I read were equally from people that obviously didn't understand it. I'll try and collect up some of the links but they do go back aways a few years so I can't say there is a current problem with others understanding, just my own moronic, jump the gun, dense brain, that was to quick to battle and slow to think.

Happy Holidays,
|santa|

PS: To those others who are just standing by and chuckling watching me implode, I apoligize to you too and I hope you will be as forgiving as G has and not let this too badly mar your opinoin of me.

|bow|

I'm starting to like this Kinder Gentler approach |thumb

Seriously, that was not necessary, but thank you :)

I am a lurker anymore but I would like to say is - you cant take rejections and being put on a black list personal, and no matter how mad you get you gotta try and hold your tongue as much as possible...

even if the person who put you there is the biggest asshole and mother fucker out there, there is more trafffic out there in the sea

Isn't threateding to sue someone on a public board over a misunderstanding wasting your time and damaging your own reputation?

I was on the BL once. It took a very short period of time to be removed. I did not beg. I did not keep it quite. I did not threated to sue. There's an infinate amount of room between those approaches and that is where I prefer to do business.

Any way. I wish you luck.

If that is a misconception, it is a prevalent one.

Way back in 2002 when I first started submitting to TGP's, Link-O-Rama happened to be listed at a few sites as a good place to submit galleries to. In my neophyte ignorance I submitted a few to you. (and was properly blacklisted)

When I learned more about the business (and became a semi-regular here at this board, I learned what a free site was and started submitting them. Lo and behold I was receiving several rejection messages from members of this board telling me I was blacklisted at useless scripts.

My appeal to you at that time promptly removed me from the list....but OTHER users of link admin WERE blacklisting me solely because of your blacklisting me.

I have never used link admin, but my impression through the years has been that there is an option to USE the blacklist within link admin. Perhaps it is only other webmasters seeing sites and emails blacklisted and so manually add those trangressors to their own lists. You carry a lot of weight among link list owners Greenguy, as do cleo and several others here. They figure if the person screwed up bad enough to be included on that list that is good enough for them.

Are you sure that there is not an option within link admin itself to check the blacklist? and if it see's a name, site, or email on it automatically blacklist?

MeatPounder - there is an option to use that blacklist within link-admin - although I can tell you that many do NOT use it "automatically" as there are a lot of LLs that dont have the exact same rules - so it would be kinda impractical to just make a blanket list that everybody uses.
The thing to keep in mind here is that there are a few reviewers that work for a great many LLs so between those LLs you could be B/L'd at one and it would fit 10 other lists just because they share the same reviewer group and rules for that matter

The last thing to clear up here - is that the Useful BL is written and "maintained" by an old LL owner (Richard of Richards Realm) - although the maintaining section is just the program itself - the blacklisting part is something separate and that was why it was always made completely voluntary for link-admin users (also Richards script)

Your right! And that's exactly what I accomplished. I gave everybody the impression that I'm an ass and I wasted the better part of two days. Now, today I've been furious at myself and wasted today too. AND you weren't the first person to tell me that. Just be cool! I was told. Its not a big deal, relax. I didn't really understand the context of this BL. I thought it was a much bigger deal. I hadn't eaten, I was annoyed, blood pressure was crazy and then I just loose it.

But here's the other part I'll confess. Even the word blacklist makes me see red because I know how harmful that can be and to me it was just someone attacking me and I didn't have a rational thought process. I kinda come from a rough and tumble side of the tracks and well, you know you can read between the lines. Its like my reptilian brain takes over and I act like an ignoramus that no one can deal with. This is wholly inappropriate in general I know this, but particularly damaging in an online community where people don't care about your personality problems. I'm very ashamed that this has happened here.

My biggest mistake was not having the confidence that maybe I had built some capital at this board and people would be willing to help me. Its not that I ignored this possibility, my brain never got there really. It just jumped over the thought altogether in favor of fight. I'm so sorry. Please forgive me.|cry| If there is an adequate pennance, I will pay it.

Gotta answer these out of order...

I'll have to double check with MrMaryLou, but I believe that using the Useful Scripts blacklist that I (and a few others) use it is NOT an option (but it may be an option as far as the free host blacklist)

I know that Link Admin does have a blacklist option built into it, but that's completely separate from the one that I use.

That thought had never crossed my mind, but yes, it is possible that a new LL would go to the blacklist, search the domain & then decide what to do with the domain as far as their own personal blacklists.

I do NOT think this is a good practice, but there's not much anyone can do about it other than removing the search & appeal process, which I think everyone would agree on being a bad thing to do.

There no option on install for the black list for free host