partnership with established company
 

would you consider joining a established program? is there companies that do this, ie, accept sites to join? and what would be the main pro's and con's. debating this with a friend and wouldnt mind hearing some opinions. thanks

to start with we got - with a established company, possiblty more sales but downside being less control, trust issues. or this view, with an established company or partner, more more gets done with more people with downside of more people involved, more chance of hassles and smaller percentages.

You mean you want to bring your personal paysite to a program rather than keep running it yourself?

I think it is a good idea most times. If it is a good sized program and you later on offer hosted galleries then many webmasters will add your galleries right away bringing you in sales. Sometimes a lot and sometimes not many but it is better than trying to get webmasters to join your program/revshare via ccbill. One thing is NEVER transfer the domain to their control. (Yes you will likely have them shown as the registered owner of the domain but you can still control and own it). As far as work goes I'm not sure that matters unless you become a partner in that program. Otherwise you just run your site like normal and they have it in their program taking a small cut from you for doing so.

If you are talking about partnering up with someone to help you run your paysite or open a program? Bad idea IMO. Joining an established program is always best.

EDIT: You have a nice site so I'm sure with some promotion it will do well.

thanks for the feed back, anyone else?

Make sure you know who you are doing business with in depth before you comitt. You might find that you shold yourself short.

Ive been on both sides of this equation and its a tough business move but great if they are trustworthy.

MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A CONTRACT!

You could also consider hiring someone to help promote your site, build hosted freesites and such, Hosted freesites would get you some good affiliates from this board, if they were done well.

:D

in my experience

partners are bad
at first everyone always seems into it and everyone has great intentions

but after a little bit of time people get in to other projects and Everyone seems to think that what they do is more valuable then everyone else
(myself included)

the little bickering starts and everything slowly goes down hill

your a bit new so I would go very slowly

anyway in a few weeks/months your gonna have a whole entourage of male webmasters willing to jump anytime you pick up the phone and drop the slightest hint of a blow job at a very far off distant convention :-)

LOL! That Long? :D

Not exactly the scenario here - I think she's looking to have her site promoted via an existing established affailiate program.

well I had noticed that she said more gets done

and she has posted in other threads about her time issues with keeping up her career at walmart |jester|


I mean if she works the boards a bit and is flirty and personable I am sure she could get a lot of affiliates

anyway at the moment she has no banners of hosted gallerys or sites
so what good would it do to join an established affiliate program

they aren't gonna make the ad materials for her
so i assumed she is talking about a partner

Partnerships are more likely to go sour than not. If it was purchased content, it would be worth the risk. But since your site is all pics and movies of YOU being the nasty little thing that you are - don't give up control to anyone else. Stay independent, ask questions and get as much help as you can get here. You'd be amazed how much people are willing to do for free to help webmasters that they like and trust. In the mean time, flirt with Tommy and get him to send you the $750 for Visa. :D

Umm.........

Tommy is Happily married and his wife reads this board once in a while:D

I am trying to get her to let me go hang out with greenie for a couple of days so ......I gotta be good for awhile

I really doubt Raven Riley’s site would have done over a million dollars in the first year if she had gone it alone.
KatVixen, Ramster and SirMoby have all chosen to put their pay sites under an established affiliate program.
I was going to put my baby (tijuana-whores) under an established affiliate program but the processor didn’t like me promoting hookers, So I’ll leave it alone and start a new Latina site that will get approved.

To me it’s simple math, I would be lucky to get 100 webmasters to promote my site by myself, where an established affiliate program will already have many times that many webmasters ready to promote it.

With no Videos I feel $20 is a fair price, subtract processing fees of roughly 15% I clear $17 per sale, if I were splitting sales with affiliates we would make $8.50 each.

Going with the established program I’ve chosen I get to add videos as part of the deal making my new site worth $30 for a membership, so I’ll make $21 for each sale I do (15% for the affiliate program and 15% for the billing company) the split with an affiliate will be $12.75 for the affiliate $8.25 for me.

Seems like a No Brainer to me |huh

I believe she was discovered and recruited - never on her own as far as I know. I wouldn't hazard to use her unique success story as a comparison of what the average personality site will earn. ;) Sabby van Whats-her-name, a somewhat established name, didn't turn out so well.

Frankly, if I was to invest in a paysite right now, I wouldn't even bother with affiliate webmasters.

T Pat, I agree with everything you said...except "Seems like a No Brainer to me". I think there is a lot of value in understanding how to market your site before you join in with an established affiliate program. Otherwise how can you really evaluate if that program can best promote your program the way you want it to be promoted.

Second, if you do know the marketing aspect of the game and things do go wrong with the established program and you decide to take control back, you will have a loyal base of affiliates to help deflect the negative publicity that always accompanies such breakups.

I know it's a lot of damn work, but in the long run I think your much better off understanding the ins and outs of the business before turning marketing control over to somebody else.

tommy, you can send that 750 anytime. and yeah i mentioned wal-mart, its motivation for me to know what im going back to if i dont bust my ass at this, so any and all options go thru my head constantly and it helps to hear others thoughts.

What part of the country are you in?


I think shes being quite realistic about all of this.

vancouver canada

as for serious, ya, this site is our focus. its just me and my friend doing all the work here, we are in over our head (in a good way) under-funded (but its not stopping us) rewarding and a learning experience as well as being a fun project to work on. and we've gone from using the computer to flirt on msn and rts games to putting a site together. not bad for a wal-mart employee and a production assistant.

I almost have your same problem. My wife wants me to build up her site blah blah I'm sure you can figure out the story. I have explained to her the problems with putting up a site and then building/buying the promo and then getting WM to join the program etc. She has mentioned about joining a program and to be honest I don't trust many people and would have a really really hard time signing with one. I think for a single girl site it is a really good idea for the amount of WM you will get to promo you. But like it was said here before, you will be the one who will have to build/buy the promo material and I get the impression that that is one of the hard things you are running into. IE finding the time to suck cock while the pics are being taken and make freesites afterwards is a pain. Then you have videos, shit everyone knows you just can't toss them up. You need to edit them etc. That's even more time. I don't think a program is going to do all that for you. Have you thought about cam shows? My wife does very very well with them. She works her ass off (no pun intended) but when I look at the ROI when it comes to time. Working for a camsite is the way to go. Sit back and let the hard-ons come to you. Let the large sites get you the horny fuckers. I can tell you this, you are a good looking young lady and after your 1st couple of paychecks the only time you would enter Wal-Mart is to pick up cheep clothes that you can cut up and make sexy for your shows.

Teela everybody started under funded and the money situation can change pretty quickly

when I started I was an elevator mechanic.
I think the webmasters that have/had hard jobs do better because they are more motivated

what is that foreign processor that uses that ticket thing
thats free, and you could take visa

If I was you I would stay independent for a while you have a lot of options, you just dont know about them

but the visa thing should be your first concern

These are good pieces of advice.
She is determined and I think that is her biggest asset.

Tommy,

I think you mean those tokens, right?

Teela,

hit up Moraxian who's using them and tell him digifan sent you, he'll be more than pleased to help you. One of his sites as a sample where he's using them, you find his latest info here too.

http://www.bondagetokens.com/models....9&ModelID=1971

Hm on the left I found this info on tokens for you,
http://www.bondagetokens.com/MenuShe...#WhatAreTokens

hope this helps :)

Verotel's TicketsClub

Teela, since you don't know me from Adam let me preface my advice by letting you know where I'm coming from. I promote mostly solo girl sites, primarily amateurs like yourself, the majority of them using CCBill. CCBill programs are two-thirds of my income.

If you're going to be using CCBill to administer your affiliate program then I highly recommend holding back on launching that part of your site until you are able to pay the fee and accept Visa via CCBill. You only get one shot at a first impression, and if you launch a CCBill affiliate program without being able to accept Visa, most experienced webmasters will not join and most likely won't check your program again.

My advice is to wait until you can accept Visa thru CCBill then launch your affiliate program. That will also give you time to build up content in your member area, which will help your retention, and to build promo materials so when you do launch your affiliate program you have more than just a handful of hosted galleries and zipped image sets.

One other piece of advice. As a solo teen site you are in a highly saturated, extremely competitive market. Having something that makes you or your site stand out just a bit from the crowd would be a big boost to your site.

Being from Canada might present a problem with her getting Visa approval. There has been some discussion about this on the board. Maybe Ramster or Emma can fill in the details,

Does anyone promote a sponsor thru Verotel's TicketsClub?

I tried promoting one sponsor/site just recently (www.deepsabrina.com), hmmm... I get a "Cannot find server" for that site at the moment, LOL
I personally find the webmaster admin at Verotel pretty poor. Maybe one day when I make a sale it will show up with lots of detailed stats :)

thanks for all the advice, i havent heard of the token thing, but i did hear of verotel now somethings telling me it was negative feedback tho, and i am canadian so i know that limits the options, but i did incorporate in nevada, so hopefully theres a way to work things out.

As a Canadian, you do face certain challenges that have not really been covered here. In order to accept Visa, you will need to have a US principal on your company- that means trusting someone enough to hand over COMPLETE access to your livlihood, as they alone hold the reins to your billing account. If you do not personally hold the documents required, you are just as vulnerable as you would be working with an established program.

The concerns mentioned are indeed valid, however all contracts are negotiable. Many programs will not send their traffic to a domain they do not own, so it might be wise to run your site with two domains. One for the program to use, and one for your own promotional efforts. You can work out different terms based on the source of traffic. For example- the traffic that you personally send might pay you a higher split than that sent by your partners.

Working with an established company will not only give you access to visa and a pool of affiliates, but it will also cushion you from many of the issues that face new sites- high bandwidth bills, goofy mistakes that can ruin your reputation in about 10 minutes, while offering you experienced guidance while you work out the kinks.

If you do go this route- seek out a program that is used to dealing with genuine amateurs. They will have experience with personality-based sites, and have the infrastructure in place to get you going immediately. You might also want to seek out a Canadian company, so that if you do have a valid disagreement, you are able to pursue it in Canadian courts rather than dealing cross-border.

Good luck with your ventures!

I pretty much thought I was immune to naked girls on the net until Raven Riley, Teela had the same effect on me, it must be the innocent look they both have, I just know it makes me feel like a perverted old man to look at their pictures, yet I want to look. Sabby van Whats-her-name is just another naked girl.

I find it odd that you make your living as an Affiliate Webmaster but wouldn’t bother with Affiliates if you had a new pay site, are there many super successful sites with no Affiliates?

I learned that Teela has a mentor so she should be ok, I would hate to see anyone make as many fuckups as I did when starting out (off the top of my head examples below)
I bought a domain name with Tijuana misspelled
I used a hosting company that sucked
I paid about three times more than I needed to for a shitty camera
I bought guaranteed traffic (millions of hits from Chinese Surfers = 0 sales)
I paid for SE optimization and submissions
After all that I decided the reason I still hadn’t made a sale was because I had a shitty design so I paid a mainstream guy to redesign my adult site.
Made a few sales, then the billing company I was using went out of business

Things slowly turned around when I found GGandJ and decided it was going to be the only place I got advice from, Surfin and Mr.MarryLou kind of took me under their wings and it finale sunk in, I got the cart ahead of the horse, I would have been way ahead of the game if I had learned webmaster basics like HTML and traffic generation first. Being to pig headed to give up I kept on keeping on. Looking back on my experience I would have made more money if I had found an established program to take me under their umbrella while I learned what the hell I was doing.

I’ve been using Verotel for years get paid every Monday, I like their stats more than CCBills and have never set up an affiliate program with them because most webmasters don’t like them and I don’t know why.

I transferred my site to a girl in Mexico when 2257 came down and then decided I had over reacted and transferred it back to me, so I’m sure Verotel doesn’t have a problem with Canadians but like I said the majority of webmasters don’t seem to care for them.

Email Camz Dan
He is reputable and has traffic and a brand new kick ass program camzcash
Hell, Im in with him and he is allowing me to keep my existing site! howw much more fair could it get. he has done the right thing with me since the beginning, through all the BS with his partnership to right now. I can't say enough about how fair I have been treated and if someone does the right thing, what more can you ask for?

Camz Dan is a good person to contact, seriously. See what he says
dan@camz.com

oh, Verotel is a good choice for a secondary processor, but that ticketclub shit turns a lot of people off.
get someone to set you up with a subaccount for a 10% split until you make the $$ to pay the visa deposit. thats what i did and I dont regret it at all.
You'll make $$ if you get with the right people and listen to those that have been successful.
Don't give up. just when you think it never gets better, you'll start getting 20 sales a day out of nowhere.
good luck!

Best advice here so far IMO.

Stay at it yourselves! You can do it.

Don't partner up with anyone.

CONTENT IS KING!

If you have a well made site with good content you will get plenty of affiliates on your own.

All you need is the proper tools set up for them to work with.

Do you want a detailed list?

fuck I need to go shopping at Wal Mart more often ;-)

t pat, we dont really have the mentor like you think, just someone who knows they can make money off the site. everything has been done by me and my partner, so hence looking for 'established' company etc, that knows they'll make a nice cut and so would we. but i do enjoy the challenge of doing things mostly on my own, altho ive asked you guys for help already, so we might just tough it out. tho please reply with feedback, or you know a good deal, and yeah next step is visa processing.

Mariah,

Was just mentioning this thread to Dan today... Actually her best bet would be to get in contact with Colette directly rather than Dan...

Teela,

You've been presented with many good suggestions and things to consider; if after weighing them you would like to also see what we have to offer I urge you to contact Colette directly at: colette@camzcash.com

Also suggest if possible you try to go to one of the webmaster shows; personal pick would be Phoenix Forum as that seems best bang for the buck for solo lady site getting opportunity for exposure. More closed environment than Vegas and that lends itself to easier networking...

Good luck with your site in the new year, looks like you are on the right track to success.

~Mark

Honestly.

I would tough it out. Youll find in the long run that rushing to partner with someone for the 750 Visa fee might cost you in the long run.

How long have you had the site up and running?

I don't feel in a position to give any direct advice but my husband was reading this and he said to tell you that there is a very helpful guy called SGS on another UK message board (I won't mention it as I am not sure if this would be breaking any rules), his wife is Lady Sonia and they are a very successful husband and wife team.

gonzo, since early november, tho, some problems with things kept it down for awhile, glad to say as of yesterday or day before we tripled sign ups in december, so we do see we are on the right track. hopefully getting visa and promo stuff, will be the last snag for awhile. thanks again for all the tips and advice, and ya, we'd love to go to a show, hopefully springish next year. any other billing options besides verotel?