Why are people still so foolish that they mention PR in their trade request titles?
 

Haven't you realized that this is dangerous, and invites trouble?

Don't you realize that by doing so you show you are three years obsolete?

Do you think people are SO FUCKING DUMB that they can't visit your URL and check their PR for themselves, if they care?

Don't you realize that trading links based on PR is specifically against google guidelines, and is one of the likely sources of the current collapse of adult sites in google.

Goddammit, get fucking educated!

I thought the collapse was down to the way some people promote eg tons of popups, installers/dialers etc.
PR isn't only based on back or traded links, from what i've read or understood then site themeing/content plays a big part.
I've seen pr0 sites ranking high on google on good search terms.
PR seems to be some kind of competition to see who can get the highest.

The current collapse has a lot of possible and suspected causes.

Your theory is a new one that I haven't heard mentioned before - that it was caused by malware and crappy marketing tactics. I kinda like that theory, it has artistic merit and a kind of justice to it, but I don't believe it to be true.

Please, folks, stop mentioning PR in your link offer titles.

PR changes over time. It's better to trade with people who will work and grow. Takes a lot less effort considering those long-term minded folks don't have it in their strategy book to cheat. ;)

Well we were all mostly idiots really. For our linkslists we should have made many (like a few dozen) recips for each category and then had a script give a different one at random to be used (or something like this). We should have did more ABC trades. Randomly allowed people to NOT put up the recip, etc. Less sites on one page with less duplicate content between pages. You name it....but this is only in looking back.

All good ideas.

The pattern of asking for trades based on pr on a webmaster board has been bugging me more and more - there are so many reasons not to do it - I just kinda cracked, and had to say something public about it.

Seems pointless to me as well, its basically a zero sum game - recip linking .

Sex usually helps to relax

maybe they're doing that just to attract more link-partners!

But Bill...if I trade traffic instead of PR, people would know that my traffic sucks & not trade with me |cry|

Plus, anytime the little green bar goes up 1 notch, my dick looks that much bigger |thumb

And I heard that Google will be paying you money when your PR goes up - moving from 0 to 1 is only $5, but going from 5 to 6 is $250 :D

This is the type of insider knowledge that we depend on you for. :D

Attracting more link partners is fine.

But, if you want link partners, you should be asking for links based on niche or keywords.

Unless you figure surfers are typing "pr3" into google. Or, if they are on sombody elses page, clicking on a link that says "PR3 Hardlinks" rather than on the link that says "Teen Pussy".

Ask for links based on niche. It's valid to mention the age of the site. Let your link partners check your pr for themselves.

Like I said, the second you put your PR in the post title you show that you are three years out of touch.

Very good points. I have been doing these same tactics and it works well. |thumb

I have to disagree with this statement. I do believe PR is and should be relevant when seeking out a link exchange. However, it's not the only thing I would be looking at.

For example, if I am looking to trade some links between my LL and another LL and I see 2 LL's looking for links. One LL is a PR1 and one is a PR5, which one are you going to think is the better choice just by glancing at the PR?

I do like the idea of trading traffic instead of PR though, seems like the way to do things.

If you are going to link specifically and publicly to game google and violate their guidelines...

Don't you think you should have enough common sense at least to hide that violation from public view?

(Sorry Lowry, I'm going to unload on you a bit here, it ain't personal dude, I'm reacting to the misunderstanding in your sentence above, which is all too common, not to you.)

I didn't fuckin say you can't take pr into fuckin consideration when you are making yer fuckin links. That's what I'm fucking hinting at when I say repeatedly "Let your link partners check your pr for themselves.".

I said don't fuckin advertise the fact that you are specifically trying to game google by putting pr in your post title.

It's bad strategy, and it increases the danger for everyone on this board.

That, and it makes you look stupid, because pr don't mean what it used to mean.

Trouble with this Bill, is it's going on in nearly every webmaster board.
All the affiliate boards have threads mentioning PR linking.

In all honesty i really don't fully understand PR or how it works as everything on SE optimizing i've seen is very contradictive.

It's like going round and round in circles until you eventually disapear up your own arse.

No fuckin' shit (sorry, I just had to be a smart ass)
Personally I look at site structure and the rate of link trades myself. Then I get out the Ouija board and my crystal ball and try to work majic. :D

LOL. Good Morning Bill.

Big Google gonna track me down and zap all my listings? |bullshit|
Look Bill, I'm just like everyone else... trying to figure out how to rank the best I possibly can on Google for my chosen terms. If you call that gaming the system, then goodluck on your future seo. |crazy|

You just said when you post about PR you are 3 years out of touch, but you say the link partners should check the PR for themselves? I don't get it... Are you saying that PR is actually relevant now but just not to post on the boards with PR in your title???

I agree with 2/3 of what you said above, of course the last statement is wrong. You might think it makes someone look stupid if you post about PR, and that is most likely because you have been told that over and over here on this board. But, I still stand firm and disagree with that statement.

Also, incase you think i'm blowing smoke out of my ass.. Anytime you want to see some of my listings on google, i'll be more than happy to show them to you. |headbang|

Maybe we can compare and see what that looks like.... |roses|

Lowry, I'm just as perplexed that you want to defend the practice of posting pr in link request post titles, as you seem to be that I am criticizing the practice of post titles in the form of "PR3 Hardlinks wanted".

We must be thinking with different models of google.

Bill, I'm not saying... yes post what your PR is in your post title. But, I am saying that just because you post what PR your site is does not make you 3 years out of touch with Google. That's really all I was trying to say.

Now, some may very well be 3 years out of touch, but not all. I don't consider myself to be 3 years out of touch with Google and I have posted my PR in post titles before. :D

I guess we'll agree to disagree on this. Have a good one. ;)

|badidea| I'm glad I read this thread...I didn't realize that it was a faux pas to list your PR. I just did it on another board I'm, of course, still a newb but when I have sought link exchanges, PR always seems to be a big issue. I thought that cutting to the chase could save some time. Every link exchange page or board I have seen seems to list PR. I know that preferably you want your incoming and outgoing links to have an equivalent or better PR and of course you would like to have a related niche. I must be missing something here...

If you'd like, we might try starting a thread in search engines to talk about these new models of PR.

It's sure to be a fierce debate, because there are about 5 generations of PR thinking to consider.

My initial post on this was triggered by my contemplation of the theory of the "new bad networks", and how such things would be scored and detected.

I think that would be great for those of us not in the know Bill...

"PR isn't only based on back or traded links, from what i've read or understood then site themeing/content plays a big part."

PageRank is based on several things but site theming doesn't play a big part by any stretch of the imagination.

PageRank is influenced, for example, on link intent. If Google suspects 90% of your IBLs are the result of link exchanges, the PageRanks passed by those link will be devalued/discounted. Google may have trouble detecting one way links that are paid for, but if you think Google can't figure out non-contextual, root-to-root ABA/ABC trades you're dreaming.

Of course then the question becomes "how much are exchanged links devalued?" Spammers often use thousands of low value links to get their pages indexed.

Then again, better linking practices mean we get more bang out of our links, so it depends which way you want to roll. Wikipedia proved organic, full-value IBLs is a sure way to dominate search results.

"We should have did more ABC trades."

It doesn't matter. A trade is a trade.

People should realize by now that linktrading is a black hat tactic. In that respect I agree with Bill. If you're breaking a law, it's not smart to leave your fingerprints all over the crime scene.

I never really thought about the posts with PR ranking in the title. I knew it was kind of dumb to trade based only on the ranking but I had no idea that Google didn't care for the practice.

I don't think all link trades are black hat at all. If you are trading with sites in a related niche you are giving the surfer more choices. If you take a trade from a gay site just because it has high PR and send it to a straight babe site I think that is black hat.

Jonny, most people in the adult industry don't think so either, but Google isn't built around our fantasies.

I'm only asking here because I want to know more, but how is it against Google guidelines? The only mention of link trades at Google's Webmaster Help Center is this:

"Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web, as your own ranking may be affected adversely by those links. "

I find it hard to believe that mentioning PR in a post title would be considered a link scheme.

Nobody is claiming that using "PR" in a post title is a scheme. It's a marketing tactic designed to attract more trades. At the same time, you are leaving traces on the web that helps Google identify your site as a participant in a link pop manipulation scheme.

The point isn't about whether link trading is good or bad. It's about link trading like Sam Fisher.

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oke i am gonna tell something here, they said to me, if you going to make sites, use several hostings and all differnt ips,never use the same niche on the same hosting, unless its an different ip, always trade (your own sites between different hostings, on differernt ip) even google or other ses can find out now that the different hostong issue is owned by the same person, so thats the first part, the other part...i wont tell:D reason because it realy fucking works, alot of googe or other shit is all bullshit stuf, stuff to scare people away, if i can manage to get an new domain making good sales in 3 months with out cheating or blackhat ( and believe me, i am not the person to make 1000s of sites to do all) then all can, but i had to find out myself, so you all have to do the same, now i m not talking about golden stuff here, i only wanna say its possible:) and yes pr ranking has to do withiit

pat on the back...
 

encore....|deadhorse

I can hear the guys at Google now..."shhh...those porn guys will hear us...wait till they find out the PageRank system is just a smoke screen for all of the algo changes we have been making every 24 hours...."

LOL