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ArtWilliams 2007-11-25 10:26 AM
Are Torrents Killing The Business?
 
As always, I will preface my post with "what the hell do I know" but I do have an observation on which I would like some feedback.

My blog gets most of its 400-500 unique visitors a day from Google. I've been hoping for more success from the relatively high placings I've received for certain MILF pornstar performers and niche site names. This is not so. From the few sales I've made, fifty percent are from lessor known single woman sites.

Here is the rub, the big name performers and site names where I place in (say the top 25) are always preceded by torrents offering the full stolen version from the paysite I am trying to market. I can't tell you the number of hits I've received for a couple of MILF step-sisters Rhyse and Rhylee Richardson who've just entered the business and who have shot for some of the big name MILF sites. I get A LOT of well ranked google traffic from their exact names or variations. Can I convert them? No. Is it relevant that even if I rank in the top 25 with their names and/or the site name that piratebay, rapidshare or others are always placing above me? I don't know. I can tell you that with the single woman MILF sites, the high torrent rankings seem to be much less of an issue.

What is your experience? Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

---art

spacemanspiff 2007-11-25 11:58 AM
There's been a lot of back and forth on "that other board" about torrent and tube sites killing conversions.

I'm in the "why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free" camp. I wish someone with deep pockets would set an example buy suing a few of them into a homeless shelter. It just floors me that some of the big sponsors and content producers haven't done that already. There was some talk about some of them getting together and getting something started, but I haven't heard anything on that lately.

tickler 2007-11-25 01:15 PM
Sometimes a surfer board will post a link to one of my galleries, and when I go check, they generally have a movie forum where you can download full movies/sites from RS & other dumps. |banghead|

I saw a post on another board about whether sponsors might kick in a bounty to report them when we see them.

Didn't even get an response from any of the sponsors.|crazy|

docholly 2007-11-25 01:30 PM
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Are Torrents Killing The Business
When the page was loading I thought that read "terrorists" LMAO.. I was like hmmm Al Quida Porn..... |jester| sorry it was funny to me.

XxxMina 2007-11-25 01:56 PM
I've begun to see some of my stuff in recent years on such places (or the results for listings in google searches too , yeah) and it worries me. And dealing with each incident as it happens sort of feels like trying to drain the ocean with a teaspoon.

There is a school of thought that considers it almost a "cost of doing business" but it just drives me nuts. I'm feeling almost paranoid enough to put a thread on my members board about the impact of sharing what they download from the members area.

But I doubt that would do much good, and would probably look petty...and paranoid, lol|banghead|.

Toby 2007-11-25 02:45 PM
The content on torrents and sites like rapidshare have to be taking away potential buyers to at least some degree.

What I'm not sure about is just how many of those surfers would really be potential buyers. A large percentage probably do not have a credit card, or could not slide a cc transaction past a spouse. Others that do have a cc would just never buy.

That then begs the question, is there enough to gain by shutting these sites down, to invest the ongoing time and expense needed to do so?

XxxMina 2007-11-25 03:00 PM
Good points, Toby.

I'd see it happen out of pure vindictiveness, lol.

How dare they steal my porn!! Raaaawwwwr!|catfight|

But yeah, would they actually buy anything, anyway?

I've heard another school of thought say that so long as all your content is watermarked, one should consider it advertising. Thoughts on that, anyone?

I dunno if I can....still drives me bonkers whenever I find anything of mine out there.

Aspire 2007-11-25 03:03 PM
I was thinking the same thing as Toby. Most people who would buy porn I generally assume aren't computer savvy enough to pull off torrenting, despite how easy it actually is. I believe the government has been cracking down on some torrent sites, so just keep hoping I guess. Maybe at some point the search engines will penalize torrent results in an anti-piracy campaign. Until then though, just try to make it seem to surfers that quality and ease of use is better on your site to try and give them a reason not to torrent, and watermark everything. I'm not sure how useful watermarks really are, but maybe it will get you some type in traffic....

2c

Bobc01 2007-11-25 03:34 PM
It's probably more people will google the site to see the free stuff rather than paying up, if it's available then they're not gonna pay are they?
Probably the worst of it are things like site rips on file sharing programs like Emule.
Example

RageCash-Ben 2007-11-25 06:12 PM
Yes they are - and so are the sponsors who support the torrent sites.

The sponsor on this site has known about this for 6 months +

www.btmon.com

Jel 2007-11-26 01:18 AM
It has to be hurting. If they weren't around, then those who couldn't slide a cc payment past their spouse would have to find a way to do just that to get their fix. Also ther has to be a pretty decent amount of torrent users that do have CCs and have no problem paying if they have to, it's just that they don't :(

What truly amazes me is paypal, the 'we shitcan your account for adult transactions' preachers, processing for the likes of rap*dsha*e :(

shunga 2007-11-26 06:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspire (Post 375833)
try to make it seem to surfers that quality and ease of use is better on your site
You can't beat tube sites for ease of use. I see those as much more of a threat than torrents.

The long term issue is that these sites are educating surfers to expect it all for free.

ArtWilliams 2007-11-26 11:16 AM
It seems everyone agrees that there is some impact.

I guess what I am really asking is, "does the availability of a sponsor's content on a file sharing site affect your decision to promote them"?

Receptor 2007-11-26 03:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by artwilliams (Post 375936)
I guess what I am really asking is, "does the availability of a sponsor's content on a file sharing site affect your decision to promote them"?
Nope, it doesn't.
And torrent and ed2k networks cannot be really stopped. Sites like thepiratebay can't be touched because they arent hosting the files and servers are in countries that dont have so harsh piracy laws as the USA. It's here and it'll stay here for quite some time, imo. But I bet that we earn less $ because of it. Life aint fair ... f*ck it and get used of it.

Ramster 2007-11-26 08:26 PM
Torrent sites hurt yes. Tube sites hurt yes. But when TGPs came out everyone cried the blues that tgps were going to ruin our business.

Torrent sites and tube sites advertise sites as well with the clips they show just like TGPs do and always have. Actually torrent sites just rip ya but there is still some aspect of advertising there when a surfer gets something they like and cannot get anymore of it. Maybe he'll join now.

Either way EVERY site (tgps, link lists, tube sites, blogs, maybe even torrent sites) on the net that has free content has surfers that will never buy and EVERY site on the net has surfers that will.

papagmp 2007-11-27 12:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by XxxMina (Post 375832)
Good points, Toby.

I'd see it happen out of pure vindictiveness, lol.
|thumb
Me too |club|

Quote:
Originally Posted by XxxMina (Post 375832)
How dare they steal my porn!! Raaaawwwwr!|catfight|
|thumb

Quote:
Originally Posted by XxxMina (Post 375832)
But yeah, would they actually buy anything, anyway?
|huh

Quote:
Originally Posted by XxxMina (Post 375832)
I've heard another school of thought say that so long as all your content is watermarked, one should consider it advertising. Thoughts on that, anyone?
Short teasers, maybe - my entire content - |bullshit| and if you want to use my material to promote me, sign up as an affiliate.

Quote:
Originally Posted by XxxMina (Post 375832)
I dunno if I can....still drives me bonkers whenever I find anything of mine out there.
My too!

papagmp 2007-11-27 12:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by artwilliams (Post 375936)
It seems everyone agrees that there is some impact.

I guess what I am really asking is, "does the availability of a sponsor's content on a file sharing site affect your decision to promote them"?
Depends who's putting it there... Pirates or the sponsor. And how could you tell?

spacemanspiff 2007-11-27 07:32 AM
Quote:
Either way EVERY site (tgps, link lists, tube sites, blogs, maybe even torrent sites) on the net that has free content has surfers that will never buy and EVERY site on the net has surfers that will.
I agree with this. It's always been that way. But when you go from a "teaser" model, to a model where you can get full length movies instead of just short clips, IMO you're tipping the scales quite a bit.

XxxMina 2007-11-27 11:17 AM
Quote:
if you want to use my material to promote me, sign up as an affiliate.
Yep, lol. I agree with all of that.:-)

ArtWilliams 2007-11-27 11:41 AM
My thinking is headed in the direction that is might be better to promote say XxxMina for instance because her content is less likely to be on a torrent and she has less exposure then a BangBros or NaughtyAmerica which sadly you see pirated all the time.

---art

P.S. To XxxMina -- I signed up and you were on my blog Monday, 26 November 2007! (Yes, I REALLY do like your meaty pussy. ;>)

Quote:
Originally Posted by papagmp (Post 376046)
Depends who's putting it there... Pirates or the sponsor. And how could you tell?

Bobc01 2007-11-27 11:53 AM
Who needs to join a site when most of it is here.. tnaflix.com

ArtWilliams 2007-11-27 12:05 PM
Exactly! Go to that site and do a search on "Rhylee". The full version of a sponsor movie gallery I tried to promote (and got tons of unproductive traffic and previously mentioned) is there. Now, I am not trying to be a whiner. I am just trying to sort out a strategy of what the most productive sponsors might be.

---art

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobc01 (Post 376130)
Who needs to join a site when most of it is here.. tnaflix.com

Bobc01 2007-11-27 12:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by artwilliams (Post 376134)
Exactly! Go to that site and do a search on "Rhylee". The full version of a sponsor movie gallery I tried to promote (and got tons of unproductive traffic and previously mentioned) is there. Now, I am not trying to be a whiner. I am just trying to sort out a strategy of what the most productive sponsors might be.

---art

You're right, there are full version videos from loads of different sites, do a search on some of the video titles in google and it will hit the first page for that site.

Pays before signing up to an affiliate program to see how freely available the content is.

tickler 2007-11-27 02:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobc01 (Post 376146)
Pays before signing up to an affiliate program to see how freely available the content is.
I generally run a search on the pay sites before I get to far in to promoting. I see a lot of sponsor stuff on these sh1t sites.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Jel (Post 375871)
What truly amazes me is paypal, the 'we shitcan your account for adult transactions' preachers, processing for the likes of rap*dsha*e :(
Considering Rapidsh1t is #11, and Megaupyourbutt is #13 on Alexa, that's a whole lot of bandwidth they are burning, paid for by ads & premium passes by way of Paypa1.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby (Post 375830)
The content on torrents and sites like rapidshare have to be taking away potential buyers to at least some degree.

That then begs the question, is there enough to gain by shutting these sites down, to invest the ongoing time and expense needed to do so?
See above, and I personally think going after their ads sponsors would be more productive than spending huge amounts of time getting individual files removed only to be uploaded again a few days later.

Quote:
Originally Posted by XxxMina (Post 375817)
I've begun to see some of my stuff in recent years on such places (or the results for listings in google searches too , yeah) and it worries me. And dealing with each incident as it happens sort of feels like trying to drain the ocean with a teaspoon.

There is a school of thought that considers it almost a "cost of doing business" but it just drives me nuts. I'm feeling almost paranoid enough to put a thread on my members board about the impact of sharing what they download from the members area.

But I doubt that would do much good, and would probably look petty...and paranoid, lol|banghead|.
A quick google while I was checking your site name
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Found at http://ruadult.com/?p=7943

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My other posts of this Canadian hottie were deleted , but here’s 2 more;

1. Corset Cockride , 2 x 53mb mpegs
Screens:
http://images.filecloud.com/606283/xxxminacorsetsc.jpg
Links:
http://rapidshare.com/files/60966438/xxxminacorsetcockride_chunk_1.mpg
http://rapidshare.com/files/60970232/xxxminacorsetcockride_chunk_2.mpg

2. Getting The Cock , 2 x 70mb mpegs
Screens:
http://images.filecloud.com/606286/xxxminagettingsc.jpg
Links:
http://rapidshare.com/files/60950439/xxxmina_gettingthecock_chunk_1.mpg
http://rapidshare.com/files/60956375/xxxmina_gettingthecock_chunk_2.mpg
*****************************************************
Notice the ads. So in summary, I still figure it's better to go after their money source.

ronnie 2007-11-27 08:06 PM
I personally think most sponsors don't say much or seem to care if their stuff is on torrents or tube sites because they are still getting branded. Most every sponsor provided pic or video has their url on it, so they are basically getting free advertising and lots of it. Sadly the real people losing out is the affiliates.

plateman 2007-11-27 09:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ronnie (Post 376204)
I personally think most sponsors don't say much or seem to care if their stuff is on torrents or tube sites because they are still getting branded. Most every sponsor provided pic or video has their url on it, so they are basically getting free advertising and lots of it. Sadly the real people losing out is the affiliates.
yup I agree 100% and it isn't gonna get any better

but still you will always have those kind of sites to cater to the freeloaders who want it all for free, fuck the samples will give them, they want the whole movie for free...

those sites, and I've checked them out and tryed them, they arn't all what there cracked up to be, like waiting for downloads, downloads stopping, needing this and that to get the download and so forth

ronnie 2007-11-27 10:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by plateman (Post 376209)
but still you will always have those kind of sites to cater to the freeloaders who want it all for free, fuck the samples will give them, they want the whole movie for free...
And we know that's never going to be stopped. Still goes back to the sponsors still being covered because of the urls on the content. Hell, bypass the affiliate and it's more profits. Sad it's come to that, but what other reason could it be?

Somewhat goes along with my other theory on why I think some sponsors make crap tours, but thats another thread..:)

plateman 2007-11-27 10:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ronnie (Post 376211)
And we know that's never going to be stopped. Still goes back to the sponsors still being covered because of the urls on the content. Hell, bypass the affiliate and it's more profits. Sad it's come to that, but what other reason could it be?

Somewhat goes along with my other theory on why I think some sponsors make crap tours, but thats another thread..:)
you know I was gonna go on about how the sponsors benefit from those sites and I said fuck it...

those bleeder sites as I call them are killing us more by sucking the traffic out of the hard working owners sites and the submitters pages...

then some may say they don't want freeloader traffic, thats BS there's buyers in large numbers....

all and all I know one thing - there's gonna be a lot of full timers become part timers and a lot of part timers giving up all togther...next year

and the day of the newbie coming in without decent money, contacts, and most important knowledge is over....and if you have money you can piss a lot of it into the wind before you make any money on your investment....|pissleft|

RageCash-Ben 2007-11-27 10:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ronnie (Post 376204)
I personally think most sponsors don't say much or seem to care if their stuff is on torrents or tube sites because they are still getting branded. Most every sponsor provided pic or video has their url on it, so they are basically getting free advertising and lots of it. Sadly the real people losing out is the affiliates.
I found some of our content on torrent sites and extremejohn (owner of ragecash) immediately emailed them and asked them to remove it.

We don't support torrent sites in any way shape or form.

Bobc01 2007-11-27 11:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RageCash-Ben (Post 376221)
I found some of our content on torrent sites and extremejohn (owner of ragecash) immediately emailed them and asked them to remove it.

We don't support torrent sites in any way shape or form.
A search on just one of your sites.

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spazlabz 2007-11-29 09:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RageCash-Ben (Post 375839)
Yes they are - and so are the sponsors who support the torrent sites.

The sponsor on this site has known about this for 6 months +

www.btmon.com
404 for me Ben :(


spaz

ArtWilliams 2007-11-29 10:00 AM
It is now but wasn't when the post was made.

Quote:
Originally Posted by spazlabz (Post 376478)
404 for me Ben :(


spaz

spazlabz 2007-11-29 10:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by artwilliams (Post 376487)
It is now but wasn't when the post was made.
I dont doubt it, i would have liked to have seen if we were listed.. we shouldnt be but ya never know :)


spaz

tickler 2007-11-29 07:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tickler (Post 376162)
Notice the ads. So in summary, I still figure it's better to go after their money source.
Seems that Etology is dropping torrent sites as advertising partners. |thumb
Now if all the other advertising brokers would just follow suit.|angry|

RageCash-Ben 2007-12-01 10:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by spazlabz (Post 376506)
I dont doubt it, i would have liked to have seen if we were listed.. we shouldnt be but ya never know :)


spaz
It is back up mate. I did a quick search for yours and couldn't find any so thats the good news. The bad news is our content is still there.

XxxMina 2007-12-03 09:06 PM
Thanks for the check Tickler......depressing results but...could be worse I guess lol. I could actually be "somebody" and have all my stuff out there |cry|

ScreaM 2007-12-04 08:57 AM
Support torrents and the terrorists win!


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