Question For Link List Owners & Reviewers About Blind Recip Links
 

Is it just me, or should the name of the Link List be in the text of the recip link? I'll admit that when Kit changed the recip rules for Penisbot is when I started looking at this a little closer (and PenisBot is not the only one doing this)

Amateur Porn
Porn

If this was on a main or gallery page I think most of us would decline the site for blind links.

I really do think that something like this would be a lot better:

Amateur Porn
By PenisBot's Porn Links

Am I alone in this thinking?

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I've been waiting for this to be discussed. Penisbot did bring it to light, but over the years I've had a handful of LL's requesting the same thing.

IMO, is it blind...by MadMax's definition...but, you have to take that put it in context. I'll throw out one of my sites as an example and let people crap all over it.

Jizz Gulping Whore

I feel that the way that the recips are grouped and the preceding text above the links makes it no longer blind.

I thought about putting an unlinked "Penisbot" before the linked word "Porn", but I'm not so sure Kit want's searches for "Penisbot" resulting in my freesites.

That's all I've got on the subject but would love to hear from others.

Yep, I think it's blind as well...In the context of the recip table, whether I say "listed at these other sites as well" or not, I think the name of the site should be there.
What sense does it make to provide a recip image for "site branding" or else a text link for a generic term only and no site name mentioned at all? |crazy|
As I posted, I was rejected for not using it, and I did adjust my recip to unlink Penisbot just like Preacher mentioned above. I haven't heard whether the revised recip was accepted or not.

While I see what you're saying, I can also tell that it's a 4x4 recip table with recips to 16 Link Lists. I can tell you the name of 14 of them by sight alone - Debauchery & PenisBot are blind IMHO.

We're not talking about a word linked in a sentence. This is a blind link:
here
This isn't:
If you'd like to see Greenguy's website, please click here

Let me throw this out there first:
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OK, now that I've done that, everyone knows that I've never agreed with my buddy MadMax's ideas of what a blind link is or isn't. He made a ton of new reviewers into absolute blind link nazis.

As to Kit's new recip, I don't think that it is at all blind. If the surfer clicks on the word porn and gets a link list, I just don't see what is blind about that. It's not as if they're expecting to get Wal-Mart's website. They are getting porn.

The fact that the recips for WhoringWives said FREE PORNO for a long, long time has nothing to do with my opinion. :D

I love being the dissenting opinion.

I've been thinking of changing my recips to

Yeah some recips are rather blind but with a caveat. If it is in a recip table and clearly part of a recip then it has to be considered in its context of use.

I agree with UW. I think "blind links" are way over analyzed. Using the PB example that "porn" is a blind link also makes most "exit" links on a free site blind also. :)

that's what I think too. There's a lot of blind recip links out there, but as long as they were in a clearly defined recip grouping I never worried about it.

Having no name in there means it's a blind link in the "normal" freesite blind link way, but as others have said already in the context of a clear and marked recip table I think it should be okay.

However, now that it's come up as a discussion point here, what will end up in those recips if they are allowed to be a bit more blind than other freesite links?
Will we see recip tables gradually filling up with Click Here's?

Technically it's blind, but in a recip table I don't have a problem with it. In an attempt to satisfy all parties I added an unlinked "Penisbot" in front of "Porn" on my latest freesite.

I don't consider it a blind link.

KG Gary has a good point about recip tables getting out of hand with a bunch of click here though. That would really be tacky.

I do the same as Lemmy by adding Penis Bot unlinked in the recip so not to break any rules.

I'm slacker than most regarding blind links, and would feel very little guilt if a surfer was somehow fooled into clicking a link that just said "Porn" and ended up at a porn link list. If they ended up at a mortgage brokers, well, that would be different.

I think its blind as well and also why would they not want to use their name branding anyway?

I agree with this - but I'd like to know the other side reasoning.

in a recip table that is not blind imo

you can talk about other peoples LL recips all day long about being blind, distracting the surfers attention to there recip by using scrolling text, images of hardcore sex and so on and so on

So there's not One blind link on this page??!!

If we all changed

(obviously this is an example only - from a working FS - Enter link will land on Marks main page)

I agree... I think it is a blind link, but I too am guilty of using recips with text and no LL name. But from someone trying to get the most benefit seo wise, I understand why they would use amateur porn over Mysite.com's amateur porn.

However, on the other side of the fence.... I don't believe it would effect them that much to add the LL name before/after the chosen kws.

Great example |thumb

If the herd goes that way I'll go the other way ;)
I don't see the sense in not having your LL's name as part of your recip, and I think not having it would likely result in less hits, but if someone wants their recip that way I'm cool with it. People will always prefer brand names over generic no-names.

blind links or not, it sure does look ridiculous. My recip doesn't have my LL name in it, but it's not generic, and I don't really care if someone wants to change it. I really wish it wasn't such a big deal because it really puts us submitters in a tough spot.

I'm guessing google is the only reason for the change as penisbot is usually on the 1st page for the keyword "porn" and they dropped off page one before the recip change.

Having that kind of result would be better than name branding on a free site imo. I'd rather have the 1st result for porn in google than name branding on a free site recip table that people are only going to skip over.

Regardless, I'd accept it, it's pretty obvious when it's in a recip table along with other sites plus you can always see penisbot.com in the status bar. The only recips I can't stand are the huge glaring tables with fugly scrolling text. They belong in last decade's trash bin along with blinking text and the like.

That would make sense.

I did not vote for I am on the fence whether or not in a recip table it is blind or not. 60/40 it is.

I know I do not like the way it looks and dareutwo's example is perfect for showing how foolish it would look. Then again, if the surfer is willing to click on something like that, so be it.

I personally add in the name of the site to make sure I get listed at as many places as possible. So like Lemmy, Penisbot is unlinked in front of Porn.

I voted no, for the reason that indeed you get taken to a site filled with porn. Mark's good example of what a recip area could look like if every LL owner went that route isn't going to happen, because most LL owners do want that branding, and any surfer seeing that block of recips using those anchors is in no way (imo) going to take any notice of it whatsoever, skipping right over it. That's obviously just my opinion though.

I've felt we mollycoddle surfers a little regarding blind links for a while now - surfers are much more savvy now generally speaking, and don't need as much hand-holding as before, again just imo. It's pretty easy to get around not using blind links by preceding the anchor 'click here' (or suffixing (?) the anchor) with 'for members area/tour/paysite name/etc', or using a banner, and when used in a clearly visible recip area, with 'this site listed at (these LLs/linklists/resources/etc)' I think it doesn't really mislead the surfer, or even entice a clickthru. Just as an example http://www.lesbianpornnews.com/hfs/i...bian-gangbang/ as you say GG, both debauchery & penisbot's recips are technically blind, but in that context I personally think it makes little to zero difference to the surfer, and whether he/she chooses any of those recips to click on than another.

Interesting thread :)

I have a contra example of massive blind links used by Link-O-Rama:

Example taken from this free site (#1 in our todays listing): http://www.naughtyplace.com/deepthroat-movies/

Greenguy's XXX Links
Oral Sex Movies - do you have oral sex movies on this page? I didn't find any movies, only link to the sites. This is a clear blindlink.

http://www.noviceslut.com/fs/mountai...ing/index.html (#4 in our todays listing)
Amateur Movies - where is amateur movies on this page?
Greenguy's Free Porn

There is a compromise solution for PenisBot recpis:
http://www.catfightingxxx.com/kinky-catfighting-videos/
http://www.pynio.com/bbw/ebony-bbw-c...ker/index.html
http://www.free-porn4u.com/peaches/


Again, I don't see the big difference between PenisBot Porn and Porn, but I can tell you guys what happens with Google algos last months: According my digging, they have focused on the exact keyword using.

Before, the PenisBot Porn Links, PenisBot Porn was OK for achieving good positions by keyword "Porn". Now exact inclusion "Porn" in the link much weighty for the good rankings battle.

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to Greenie
You are not right


Everyone want to receive the traffic with google
On keyword: PORN, FREE PORN, SEX MOVIE etc

The owner will be without the profit if all traffic will go on keywords: Link O Rama, Penisbot, etc

IMHO

I so think too

Kit, nothing personal but your example is ridiculous.
You're saying there should actually be free porn movies on that page? I think that anyone who clicks that link can live with the fact that they get a huge list with links to free porn movies.
Also the point of this whole thread is that recips should have the LL name in it or not. GG's recips have the word/phrase "Link-o-Rama" in them.
I think Mark's example proves that it would be a mess if everyone started doing the "keyword only" recips.

If the name of linklist is too long it's impossible to write it in the text of recip.

Hooked on phonics worked for me!

Good point.

When I first got started, I was confused in that most rules said you limited your outgoing links to three, but the next line said you had to have 12 recips...seemed contradictory until it became clear that recips tables get a little different consideration.

it's not a biggie, afaic. Recips that work best for list owner work for me.

Strict rules according recip texts cause the pattrens in google database and possible penalties. I think we (link site webmasters) must combat to gain more SE traffic in link sites niche.

You really are an idiot. Do you have any "amateur porn" on this page?:
http://www.penisbot.com/new-amateur-01.html
Or do you just have LINKS to amateur porn?

Stop living your life based on what you THINK Google likes & doesn't like.

Did someone take away your #1 for "porn"? |cry| 2nd page now? Life sucks. Get used to it. (or explain why you think you deserve to be #1 for "porn" 24/7/365)

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Everyone look at Dare's example:
http://www.marks-links.com/example1.html
As well as this example I did of Preacher's page:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/blindrecips.html
Do you really want the recip tables to look like this?

Please remember that when you take what I think are blind links out of the recip tables & surround them with 15 other links that I'd also consider blind, it changes the context of that one link.

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PS - I do love all the "12 total posts" people that come out when these threads pop up. The best so far is that the Link Lists name is too long |thumb

Even if I was to accept your definition of a blind link, which I assume involves the site's name being present, those recips STILL wouldn't bother me. I'd say, fine - they're blind. How is the surfer misled or harmed? What free site submitter is going to fret over the idea of sending surfers to PenisBot via the word Porn?

I don't think that Cum is Yummy is any more blind than PerveSpace. The name of a site tells me nothing that makes it not blind for a first time visitor. But keep in mind, I've never, ever, ever understood why Free Movie Trailers at Please Bang My Wife is considered not blind, but Free Movie Trailers of Wives Getting Fucked is, to many reviewers. As long as the surfer isn't being misled, I haven't an issue with which text other people use in their links.

My concern with the way LL recips are going at the moment (and i have submitted to other sites that already do what penisbot are implementing) Is that, If it's ok for the LL recip to be blind, you are only a step away from sponsor links being blind as well.

If you accept the fact that LL recips can be blind, does it follow that i could use the word PORN or SEX or MORE XXX as a link going straight to a sponsors free tour from a free site?

At the moment that would get you declined everywhere but with blind recips being actively used, how can the LL owners decline a site for blind linking to a sponsors porn without having double standards?

Personally i prefer to use the LL name purely so i can identify them at a glance and i think surfers like this option as well. I know that given a choice between a link saying PORN or one saying the name of the LL, as a surfer, i would click the named recip because i know before clicking it where i will land.

2 cents ==>> I feel, Average Joe porn surfer would much rather click a recognizable name with the link after (much like the compromised solutions Kit showed above) than just the Porn | Amateur Porn alone - I just think it is site branding. For myself, I agree with what DareTwo and KG said in regard to the recip tables being full of Porn | Amateur Porn links rather than a site name associated with it. I have no problem just linking to the word "porn" but for my FS"s I am using the alternative of adding the Unlinked name ahead of it.

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So, no sense yet of an acceptable compromise?

We all have to start building mirrors if we want the same site accepted by both penisbot and linkorama?

That wouldn't be to either of their advantage, and would cost them both, so lets hope not. Seems to me, and I'm hoping, that this is just a discussion of ideas, and a live and let live philosophy will prevail.

I'm thinking that gg should have put a 3rd choice in his survey above called "Somewhat." Is it blind that the recip to my site targets both "cumshots" and "free porn videos" but does not mention the name Debauchery?

According to Kit, and I understand he is "technically speaking", my links are blind because I don't actually deliver cumshot pics or movies off of my server. According to gg, and I realize that he's just posing this for discussion, my links are blind because I don't mention the name "Debauchery" in my recip. Am I misleading the surfer? Probably not because my intent is that they come to my page, cumshots, and they can see both cumshot pics and cumshot videos by clicking on the links.

I changed my recips a while back because I used to list "debauchery.com" in them and I get a whopping 240 people per day, for being #1 for that term, from google.

I will say that gg has a good point here: http://www.greenguysboard.com/blindrecips.html

I'm also thinking as LL owners, we should make it as easy as possible to our free site submitters and they certainly should not have to choose sides. Faced with a situation as gg pointed out above, what's a submitter to do? Also, were that situation to become prevalent, google may discount all links in tables such as that.

I may change my links to the way I have the Amateur section linked on this page: http://debauchery.com/text-links.htm . I won't do this as a knee jerk reaction to this thread, meaning I want to ponder on it for a day or so, but changing my recips up in that way should not affect how google sees the anchor text and hyper-links to my pages.

Any thoughts on that?

CJS