LL owners, do you take sites hosted at revshare?
 

Since revshare is a bannersless, non-redirecting and clean hosting, do you LL owners list sites hosted there?

Thanks

Hi WolfPack

Take a look at this treat http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...light=revshare

yes :)

Unless you are paying a hosting company for your bandwidth, alot of major link lists (including link-o-rama.com) will not list your site.

The main reason is, in the end, as with a free host, you have no control over the sites redirecting or going 404 or whatever.

Thank you guys

I do not accept revshare sites.

Also do to being spammed beyond belief be crap and cheats I've also banned hqhost. :(

I guess you should go with payhost ;)

yes, I accept sites hosted on revshare..

Greenguy,

I would like to chat with you sometime about this matter, if we had a chance to address these issues directly I'm sure it would help us all. RevShare Hosting has been growing strong for 2+ years and is no operating 65+ servers for 1500+ webmasters. RevShare Hosting is not a FREE host, we are working closely with many of the top sponsor programs in the business and our service isn't going anywhere. Our webmasters do pay for their hosting and there is no more risk of problems than with other paid hosts you accept. What is so different about a webmaster that gets paid by his sponsor and then pays for his hosting directly VS. having the sponsor pay that webmaster a little less for that same sale and the sponsor paying RevShare Hosting?

Hit me up when you have some time...

Thanks,

Maestro
RevShare Hosting
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Unless your name is on the account with the host, I'm not going to list the sites - this rule has been in place for quite some time & I see no need to alter it now.

depends on how clean it is: see rules etc.
if it's reported a dead link or redirecting, you'll probably be blacklisted until you explain wtf. u may as well get paid hosting for Free Sites.. it's not that expensive. and probably evens out with what you're earning from revshare ( otherwise revshare would be a bad biz model)

Yes Here Too WolfPack
 

And I am with Maestro.

I do not see Revsharehosting as a Free Host. All hosting costs are traded off with sponsors. One key ingredient in this type of hosting package is the webmasters who use Revshare are carefully selected.

Yes Cleo, with no matter what host you use Hqhost, Revshare Host and even a paid host there will always be bad submitters and cheats. I've seen many sites who had nothing to do with cheating, banned from even Google, cause some cheaters used the same host as those good webmasters.

Whether or not this type of banning is good or bad, I can't say. But to you Wolfpack, there are a lot of good LL's out there more than willing to share your works with their visitors, but make sure you use your own content as well as revshares, to keep the content from being overused and going stale.

I personally emailed several members of this board, asking them to reconsider their position on this issue. Successfully, I had two of them change their minds. Where I think alot of webmasters who do use Revshare fail at though is that revshare allows them unlimited space, unlimited bandwidth and loads of free content.
They seem to not want to spend some money to buy content of their own and they really need to do this or at least bring some of their own content with them.

Revshare has as far as I know, and always will be a well repsected Adult Hosting Alternative.

Good Luck,
Nick

P.S. One more note before I close, I have always used a Free Host parallel to one or more of my paid hosting accounts. As with many others here, I feel it is a good idea to have at least one paid hosting account somewhere. Again, good luck!

Although revsharehosting is a great service, especially for TGP galleries, when it comes to link lists I can understand why it's necessary to pay for your own server. I wouldn't fear revsharehosting redirecting traffic or running 404 traps, but *if* something were to happen to any given site somebody would have to be held accountable and that person would be the webmaster, even though they would have had no control over their service.

imo

Creamxtreme (nick),

I appreciate your support and of course I agree with your logic. If LL/TGP owners have a problem with one of my webmasters...it's better for them, RevShare Hosting and the industry to deal with me to get that webmasters removed from our system. I will put the quality of most of our main webmasters, and certainly our RevCore webmasters, against the same cross section from any paid host. Many, many of our webmasters are very well respected members of our industry...and RevShare Hosting has worked very hard to gain the respect of many of the finest sponsor programs in the business. While I certainly do support any LL/TGP owners to choose their submissions as they see fit, I do wish they would reconsider their rather broad judgement of our webmasters.

Thanks,

Maestro
RevShare Hosting

hosting is so cheap these days that I don't see how people can afford to be in the industry and not have paid hosting.

Ok...I'm gonna split the difference..

My LL is fairly new, so I have been accepting Free sites from Revshare, if they are quality sites.

However I also agree with the majority of the board, that if a webmaster is serious, and long term, then they will invest in their business by paying for a host (it is not expensive these days).

.......If I couldn't make enough money to pay for my host each month...I would find something else to do besides webmastering........

In the near future (as my LL is growing quickly)..I will also stop accepting free hosts of any kind...

A webmaster does not have any incentive to keep a free site up , when it is on a free host, while if he is paying for that host..there is a lot of incentive to keep his free sites (and his traffic) alive.

You guys are all missing the point of RevShare Hosting...it is NOT a FREE host and my webmasters ARE paying for it. I have many, many webmasters that are earning $10k/month and have MORE than enough money to get a 'paid' host...but why should they. Using RevShare Hosting makes their hosting a fixed cost of them doing business...no matter how much bandwidth the burn...no matter what their conversions for the day/week/month they can count on their hosting being a fixed % of their revenue. Our average webmasters pays RevShare Hosting about 15% of their revenue...but many pay less when it's all said and done. This allows our webmasters to concentrate on cranking up their traffic without worrying about getting hit with a bandwidth overage. Since RevShare Hosting has an incentive to keep things running smooth as we don't earn shit if our webmasters are not up and making money...we babysit our webmasters servers more closely than many 'paid' hosts. I have so many webmasters that have given up all their paid hosting to move ALL their business to RevShare Hosting since it works out much better for them in the long run. I'm sorry more of you can't realize these benefits...but please stop lumping RevShare Hosting in with FREE hosts.

Maestro

RevShare Hostin,

Forgive me for poking my nose into this thread...... you've probably got a very good thing going over there. Kinda like the shareware of the hosting world. But this is more to do with the ultimate responsibility of a site submitted to a link list.

If it goes to a 404 FPA or redirects, the webmaster will point his finger at you and you will probably point your finger at him/her.

100% paid hosting places the ultimate responsibility with the webmaster.

Urb - EXACTLY

Plus - let's face it, free and/or revshare hosting does make the owners money (or else they wouldn't be open) With the cost of bandwidth about 25% of what it was 2-3 years ago, why not get your own server/hosting plan & keep those profits that you're passing along to the free/revshare hosting company for yourself?

That part scares the shit out of me - what business is it of yours how much money the webmaster is making?

And based on the numbers on your website, they could be making around $12,500 a month & I doubt that they'd be spending $2,500 a month on hosting (hell, I don't even spend that much a month on hosting & I have 3 dedicated servers)

What Urb and then the Greenguy pretty much sums up how I also feel.

I also do not allow sponsor hosting for the same reasons.

From - http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...&threadid=3842

Revshare vs Paid Host
 

It went from who accepts revshare to Revshare vs. Paid Hosting.

Okay, I guess we are allowed to venture off a little here. But just to keep it in a little perspective for WolfPack, there are many LL owners who do accept Revshare Hosted Sites. I hope whoever they are they will join in here and say so, for your sake.

Urb I think all of us, no matter what we have paid of free host is responsible for a 404 page occasionally. Especially if you are working on your site and you blow some scripts somewhere unintentionally. I also believe that with any site that sends out a spider/link checker, it is built into the scripts to continue to check for 404 or redirects for at least a 72 hour period.

Any longer than this, believe me you start sweating it out. As I did when changing hosts, the old htaccess hotlinking worked fine on the previous host, but when I changed hosts, it took three weeks to figure out the problem.

Redirecting and 404'ing people like crazy. Was anyone really at fault - not really - other than the screwballs who put together different versions of the same server scripts.

I understand how you feel GreenGuy about someone else knowing what you make. On another board, I started a thread about Persian Kitty when she first started out. Here her income per month was divulged in an article.

Later I said that she may be a bit more clever to not divulge her earnings these days. Yet, another webmaster came in and said that there was a possibility that her company is now Publicly Traded - here the members (stock owners) are told monthly quarterly or whatever how much is made there.

Is this so different, when it comes to Shared Hosting Packages. That incomes be divulged? If anyone of us becomes a publicly traded company, there is no way we could not hide this value.

Although, I do agree that in many instances, paid hosting is the better alternative. Does it necessarily have to be the "only" alternative? As Maestro points out a good point, a cheater is easily dealt with directly, as opposed to banning the entire IP address he/she may have come from.

Our traffic values are constantly monitored. I even get crap from some service that I never asked to look at my site telling me how long it was down. Similarly, sites like Sextracker, Sexlist and many other paid or free tracking services want to know how many people visit us per day per hour of the day etc.

Using scientifically developed mathematical equations, these companies and even the IRS can come up with some form of other generated income figures that are on the button or very close to what we each make per month.

Let's cut to the chase, if Revsharehosting offered an affiliate payment service, or sponsorship program where many LL owners got paid for promoting them, (which they do), would so many LL owners be against them then?

My LL is housed on a paid server. My submission sites are housed with Revshare. I get many wonderful LL owners to accept my submissions without fail. I do not see any problem with you WolfPack getting the same warm welcome from LL owners who do accept (for the sake of argument) this free hosted service.

Incidentally, for those of you who are new here or anywhere in the adult industry, my submission sites are a wonderful compliment to my LL. So I support the use of Revshare for if not any other reason but to make my own FS's and submit them to myself.

If that makes any sense?

Nick

WolfPack

If I were you I would take the time to read the rules of the various link lists and find out which ones allow you to submit on free hosts/revshare and those who don't.

This debate will continue forever it seems, so in the meantime find some that will take your sites.

Or pay for hosting and submit everywhere. The choice is yours. :)

I started with paid hosting before I came to the adult side and I have absolutely no regrets.

Loads of cheaters at revshare

I am very close to black listing their name servers

So if your knowingly submitting reshare/freehosted to a site you know dont take them is that cheating ?

It is too me and my submit page has been adjusted to reflect this..

"Submissions that flagrantly disregard the basic rules will be Blacklisted"

DD

Hell yes!! |lightsabe

I was thinking the same thing :) Also really makes it harder to build a trust :(

ohh i like that would ya mind if i used it

All yours Tommy :)

I just want 1c per impression royalties ok :D

DD

Trust is an issue of little importance to some these days. As is self respect. Ethics is not definable, is not implementable, because it is not conscious; it involves not only our thinking, but also our feeling.

You know what makes me laugh about all this?

The rules most of us have on revshare hosting have been in place for about 2 or 3 years now :D

This is true.
 

It is sort of funny, especially when you have to rehash issues already put forth on a board.

As with all here, the simpliest thing I have noticed and many webmasters will suggest to newer webmasters is read the rules.

DD I hope it wasn't me who made you put all those crazy little signs next to your "No Revshare Hosting" - then now I see you raised the font size and made it bold as sin. Guess no-one can miss that.

MrMaryLou, jsut don't get caught or it's |waves| |waves| that's bye bye in sign language.

Tommy, this is sad to hear. I personally was not aware of so many misgivings about revshare. But as far as receiving submissions from them, I will continue til I run into this problem. And if so, I will talk to Maestro about how to eliviate this problem.

Unlike many of you webmasters here, I am still a small wet behind the ears kinda webmaster. My problems, however, come more from paid hosts as opposed to revshare hosts. For instance, as GreenGuy clearly points out, your rules have been in place for years now. But guaranteed, someone or a bunch of submitters will miss the mark when it comes to what we as LL owners like to see.

Surfn, I agree with you. "Read the Rules" and if someone is going to stay with Revshare find the LL's that will accept sites from them or get paid hosting and submit to all of the LL's. But with this thread I think it is what WolfPack was trying to find out.

Personally again, I will accept Revshare Hosted Free Sites and even AVS's from them. I have many great submitters to place you along side of, including myself. I won't say my traffic is "great" but it is good. My objective is to build great relationships with great webmasters and then to provide them with quality hits and not jsut freebie hunters.

I hope if we ever do re-visit the Revshare issue it is on better terms. Because I do believe in what Maestro and others are doing there. And no-matter what we accept or do not accept, let's wish them good luck.

Good Luck and Fortune to all of you also!
Nick