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-: FS Auto Submitter :- Pros and Cons?
After careful consideration, I have decided to create a Free Site Auto Submitter.
The problem I am having is this: Do I just pick out sites to link to or do I at least ask for volunteers/sponsors to choose to be part of this new software development? Objective: To develop a FS Auto Submitter and distribute it for use as an integrated part of a website, (CGI script), either for personal use or to attract webmaster members to a webmaster resource membership site. What are some of your ideas on FS Auto Submitters and if you had the chance to be added to one would you do so? Generally, each stage/phase of the submission process will allow a webmaster to submit to nine LL's, before having to go to another fill out form to list another index page to yet another nine LL's. So on and so forth til the submitter has exhausted the entire database of LL's to submit too. Links to the LL's Rules and Recip Buttons will be placed along side their final respective submission button. All fields of each LL's forms will be included as they are on their own sites. Category and subcategory selection, if any at all, will be last due to many variances in the types of categories/subcategories to pick from at each LL. There are many great Auto Site Submitters out there, and some of you receive submissions from these services. I have attempted to refine this service and am looking for both ideas and participants. So I would love to see you there. Nick P.S. PM me if you do not wish to publicly discuss this matter on an open forum. |
If you auto-submit to me, then I "auto-decline" the submit.
most of us think that if we take the time to review the site, you can take the time to submit it by hand. |
Auto submit anything to me and say good bye to ever being listed..
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creamxtreme your just full of things to do to piss off LL owners :( One thread your pro revsharehosting and now its auto submits :(
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Oh and one more thing is this your domain ? creamxtra.com revsharehosted and not too slick :(
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Here we go again...long windy posts on the virtues of autosubmitters. |lightsabe
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Every day.. many of us think about closing our submit pages, making it partners only, or charging for submissions....
Crap like 'auto-submitters' only drive's us further toward these inevitable outcomes.. BS free hosts,... massed produced crap sites with free content,... 1000 BS submissions a day,.. fake recips,.. 400 mirrored entrances... How much more do you think we are going to take...?!! Will we sit back while the entire model of "free sites" and "sponsors" gets destroyed?! Think about it! |angry| DD |
DD you are so right whats the damn point ya got webmasters busting the asses making sites all days paying for hosting submitting by hand and now all of the sudden its I am not paying for hosting and hell I am not gonna bother to even submit by hand either |angry|
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You got me MrMaryLou!
Actually I am not trying to piss off anyone.
Being an LL owner myself, I respect the opinions of other LL owners whether they agree with me or not. GreenGuy and DangerDave both state that they would not accept submissions from an AS. Doing so would get a person banned with them forever. Would I get pissed off at their position? I don't think so. I respect it! Now about Revshare Hosting, I personally got nothing against them and if I took up a position supporting them, I think that is my personal right to do so, without criticism from you or anyone else. As for creamxtra.com this is one of many of my sites, it is not developed fully and is in the works. Despite the fact that I do not push it, it has an Alexa rating of 500,000 up from 4,000,000. I believe the last time I looked a google PR of 3. All this from a site that just sits there. I've have had many of my sites listed in many great LL's to include the GreenGuys and many other fabulous sites. Some (LL's) I have seen stating clearly, that they will accept Auto Submits, which lead to the idea. The question isn't whether or not someone is getting pissed off at my ideas, questions or position, it is if you are a link list owner, what do you feel about Auto Submitters. If you would like to stick to that subject I will be glad to recognize your position, other than that, well have a nice night - or day, according to your location in the world. Greenguy gives a reason for his wanting to see hand submitted sites, DD doesn't and personally, I already know alot of cheaters use them, so I don't need to be told this. The question now goes back to if you are a LL owner, would you consider being a part of a submission software package and would you accept sites from one. So far two neahs, and no yeahs. Nick P.S. Edited: I posted before I seen your repies Surfn and DD coming back in. I take it this happened before Surfn? DD you are right there are a lot of owners P.O.'d at the onslaught of attacks by autosubmitters and massed produced sites. I questioned the reasoning behind LL owners' accepting only index.html pages recently on another board. After hearing you here I understand this position many LL owners are now taking over doorway pages. What I get here generally AS's are not a very good idea. I also read here on this board, that the only dumb question is the one that isn't asked. No where did I read that no one can bring up touchie subjects. Sorry! |
Ya know the sad part creamxtra.com was listed at few link sites the dont take revsharehosting :( So I suppose you wont bother to follow any rules of LL even if they told you no auto submitting or revshare :( So sad
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If you had read my response to Wolfpack thread...
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Which I also incidentally wrote and asked about this, once I noticed that free sites were not allowed. Again, a couple of those sites changed their position, on accepting them. Again, I immediately notified any LL owner who may have had a problem with this site, that it existed. I do not know any one who is immune to making mistakes. But it is what we do with those mistakes that counts. If anyone had a problem with this site or any other I submitted to them, they got a valid email, they could of wrote me about it. I think the nicest ones about the inquiry of mine was at Hoes. Then I received a letter from the owner. Which I had no problem accepting their position. Adult list, I believe was one who accepted it. Again, not before I asked though. Now I did not come to this board to argue with you or anyone else. And I honestly do not need to put up with someone elses inadequacies. So DIG, if you have any other problems, take them up with your psychologist okay - please! Nick |
Dig this |goodnight |goodnight |goodnight |goodnight Opening mental Rolodex inserting memory ok done
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Have a nice night!
I've neglected my little ones too much today. Nick |
creamxtreme,
Autosubmitter crap is ALWAYS gonna get a negative response here.. because there is no up-side.. I for one have never used one ever.. and if you have a biz-model that requires you to use one.. then that model is flawed. There are no "inadequacies" here. ! Just honest hard-working webmasters that live and play by the rules.. we ask no more and we expect no less. DD |
Okay now these are opinions are coming from a total and complete newbie point of view so bear with me guys :)
I personally as a webmaster out there building free sites and submitting faithfully would never use an autosubmitter for a couple of reasons. When I first started I got 1 piece of advice that has stuck with me and proven incredibly true. It was...if I was going to be in this biz for the long haul then respect, credibility and reputation were paramount. I have worked my ass off to learn and get my feet under me, and while I am more than willing to save myself time when I can, I also will not do anything that would put me in a light as being anything but someone who is willing to put back in as much as I am getting out, and having people who have been a long time in this biz who I have nothing but respect for look at me as anything but that. And that philosophy has worked well and paid off more than any time I could possibly save myself by not taking that extra time to hand submit. If they are going to show me and my work the respect to go through everything needed to review my site the very least I can do is respect their work enough to actually go to their site and fill out their form. And truthfully, after I have spent all the time building it, it seems backwards to me to not want to make sure right there and then that my submit went through with no problems, there were no rule changes I needed to be aware of, etc. Also, I have yet to run into a submit form that takes longer than about 30 seconds to fill out, or a list of rules that takes longer than a minute to read. Which seems to me to be very minimal for the returns. As for paid hosting vs revshare or free I do have to say that having started out with paid hosting was probably one of the best things I could have done. BECAUSE....it made me work harder and want to learn more. After I had built a few sites and my bandwidth expense started to go up, it really made me start looking at what I was doing, and adjusting and trying to refine right away. I can honestly say I don't know if I would have worked as hard with each consecutive site to make it better or jumped in with so many questions to so many people to learn more about what I was doing right and what just really wasn't a good idea, if I wouldn't have felt it in my wallet right away. There were alot of things I can see the importance of figuring out sooner than later now, but if every month I didn't actually have that extra little push in the beginning I can say I probably would have taken it all alot slower and not pushed myself forward as hard as I did. And wouldn't necessarily have made those little tweaks to each site before submitting them if I weren't going to paying for each and every one of them. It made sense to me that every site should be the absolute best I could make it because I was actually going to pay for it whether I made money from it or not, so I better start figuring out how to get it to pay off sooner than later. And it got me into the good habit of taking each day and learning more, and pulling from the resources I plugged into then. Anyway...just a little newbie's 2 whole spare cents on it all LOL Jaden |
Jaden
That's the right attitude to make it in this biz for the long haul. :D |
BoY!...You just cant help but make friends now can you?
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DD point well taken
DD this was a question jsut a question nothing more. And MrMaryLou came in talking about pissing people off. The thread now took a turn to another subject. "Pissing people off and making friends".
Yes, I understand about hard working webmasters. I am one myself. No I do not have a Biz-model that uses nor requires an AS. I tried to be as clear as possible about the whole thing, when asking if you "that's anyone" would use auto submitters and if given the right one, participate in a new one. Unlike many here, there are webmasters who do not mind them. And the only way to find out who they are is to ask. And if asking is a problem and it causes someone to get P.O.'d then what happened to the openness and freindliness of the board. You know questions are not asked to "piss people off". Jaden you are right in many ways. I agree with you on respecting credibility and reputation. And I fully understand your methodology, especially where you want to design your site to pay off handsomely. But no-matter where you are who your site is housed with, you can spend countless hours designing your site and you want it to bring a return for your efforts, certainly no-one wants this to go down in vain. DrSmut "freinds" are cool especially if you have them all over the world. But we are here to make contacts. Learn the biz and ultimately come to a point in our lives where we live comfortably, making a living out of this business. But to learn and grow, there must be discussions and even if those subjects are contriversial, they still must be discussed. I can name at least 10 LL's that accept auto submits, so they are not dead in the water. Unfortunately as DD points out, there is a lot of abuse associated with the use of them and many do not accept them. Each of us have our own opinion, and we are entitled to it. But you know just cause you do not like a subject, go dig up dirt on someone, then start to personally attack them. This is a falicious argument and only steals away from the heart of the subject. My dirt suppposedly is CreamXtra.com, which incidentally was accepted by many LL's from what I am told here. When I first started submitting I was not aware of the fact that Revshare was a free host. This site got submitted to several LL's. Once I was aware of it, I made every effort to contact those LL's who it was submitted to. Now to clarify this, for the sake of argument, hosting at Revshare is paid for by the sponsors. In return for this, "hosting of your website", you agree to forfeit some of your earnings the sponsor would normally pay you directly. I seen nothing wrong with this. Yet, by all accounts Revshare seems to be a Free Host to many LL owners. Once I was aware of this, again, I made every effort to contact the owners of the LL's to discuss this matter with them. Some answered many did not. The reason for my contacting them was so that my name and my email address along with this site would not get banned. No one is immune from mistakes and mistakes are made sometimes by misinterpretation, or misunderstandings. But if you look at this site and some of the work I have done there, you will see I put much effort into it. I never finished it cause I took a different route and began different projects, it is still a possibilty that I may finish it, but for larger LL's I see there is no way that their visitors will benefit from it, SADLY, they will not accept Revshare hosted sites. Now as for the concept of my AS that I was developing is to attrack submitters with this software. Each of us as LL owners, has a return page, offered up, once a submitter finishes his/her submissions. On this return page, we offer the submitter other LL's to submit to. My idea was to allow those submitters an opportunity to autosubmit to friends sites or to sites who have chosen to be part of the AS package. In most instances, this return or final page after submission is not accessible through anyone's browser without going through a submission. So it reduces the chance of cheats, using it to abuse anyone's site. Additionally, if placed inside a .htaccess protected folder, no-one can access the script outside of each webmasters own site who would use it. No website submission form within this AS package would be there without permission of the LL owner themselves. It was designed to benefit LL owners and their submitters alike. Not to be detrimental to anyone's system, by having Kooks get their hands on it and pulverize someones' system with endless submits. My own LL would be included and I would certainly not want to be bombarded by some of the BS I already receive now, nor would I appreciate an increase of this activity. In fact, in my own personal belief, using it in it's proper perspective, it would reduce the incidence of abuse, many of us witness at the present moment. I hear many of you and your distaste against AS's, but if there are any who agree with the concept of them, I would like to hear from you also. Nick P.S. If you received a submission from me which included the websites, creamxtra and creamx, and believe that Revshare is not for you please, purge your database of these sites. I apologize for my Greenness, when I first started submitting. If however, you do not mind Revshare Hosted Freesites, them please let me know. I have plenty of material to share with you and your visitors. |
creamxtreme - don't take what we say to personally - it's just that we deal with stopping auto submitters every day & we're pretty much fed up with them :(
We then see a thread started on the topic & since most of our hatred it built up in our minds, we tend to relieve ourselves via the board :D |
Damn, there are some looooonnngggg posts here.
I can understand both sides. The established LL owners don't need AS because they already have enough hand-submissions each day and these AS-submissions are of lower quality/higher cheater rate most of the time. On the other side... Beginning LL owners who only have 2-3 submissions a day could really use more submissions so joining AS is very attractive because their LL will fill up much faster. But again.. in the long term it's quality above quantity. Just my $0.02 |
I love auto submits over at my LL since I auto add them to my ban list and never see them again as they just keep on automatically adding my recips to pages. |skull|
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Again, LMAO - Cleo!
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But on the serious side I understand your point. I think Fonz says it best. Larger LL owners who need to reduce the frequency of submits, can be choosey on how they get them. While smaller LL owners would love to be a part of a program to attract quality submitters. I appreciate this input highly Fonz - thanks. Greenguy, no it really isn't taken personal, I knew there was a problem with my submissions after the Free Host issue was discovered. MrMaryLou's bringing it out into the open helps me to know where I stand. I've been kicked around the block a few times, and I'm still standing. |rasta| I think this will kill me before anything else does. While larger LL owners are more voiceful here, there are smaller LL owners like myself who would love to participate in an AS program, where each owner shares with other owners their submitters. This script, while vulnerable to cheaters, can only be accessed through submitting to a site. Once banned from a site in particular, the submitter can not access the script again. That is, until they hit another site in the circuit, but, it will play itself out by notification of a cheater or eventually the cheater burns all his/her bridges. Thereby locking themselves out of the program. I have a working model of the script online, however, it is not available to anyone unless they request a peek at it, but only under certain circumstances - they have at least 20 active posts here or on another well regarded webmaster BB, they agree not to give out the URL to this script and they may fill out the form but cannot submit to any of the test sites. Yet, it allows someone to take a look at how it will work. Once placed in an protected folder, only those submitters permitted to access the script can. So it is not something that is a hairbrained idea, but a well thought out maneuver to attract submitters and webmasters, so that there is order and processes to follow and no-one gets screwed in the meantime. Well, onto other matters, my youngest bambino requires my attention - got to go get him. Nick |
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Yes I will add all auto submitted sites to my "auto-decline" list. If a webmaster submit and get declined with the message "You are on the auto-decline list", he might not fell as bad as being black listed. |
Is this an autosubmitter?
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That's for submitting to TGP's. This board is owned by LL owners.
Why is it that almost every newbie who comes down the pike wants to reinvent the wheel instead of utilizing it? |
Serioulsy LMAO
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I knew someone would say this - almost to the title. "Ah I dont smoke crack, that is for crackheads, I'd rather have my line of coke. Crackheads are the worst." This is called bigotry. I do not do drugs nor alcohol, I do not condemn people for doing either. But I certainly would not promote neither one of these habits. They're jsut simply not for me. It's okay to condemn Auto Submits to LL's but not to TGP's. But given it a step further, you promote an auto submit. Then as an LL owner it is okay to Auto Submit to a TGP cause it is not the same thing. Doesn't matter who it is too, if you condemn it then it should be condemned period. ThHun doesn't want to be bombarded with Auto Submits, cause he gets to many submissions. In fact, he doesn't want to get more than one but every three four days, from the same webmaster. As for reinventing the wheel - this is not what I asked to do here. Maybe I should of retitled it. Asking for Pros and Cons was a bad idea, as I can see now. What I was looking for was some webmasters who would like to increase their traffic as well as their submits, by joining a program, that if used properly, would benefit those who chose to be a part of it. Have a nice day! Nick Still LMAO!!! |
1 - that's not an auto submitter - taken form their site:
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I may be a moron but my submits get listed by others. Do you have ANY idea how many LL & TGP owners you are alienating?
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If you want to build an autosubmitter put in a week and email 400 link lists owners and ask them if they want to be included. I'm sure you'll get some that do.
But the bigger sites like those who frequent this board do not want anything to do with autosbmitters. It's been said a MILLION times, a high percentage of people who use autosubmitters do not read the rules!!! I have a link list without a gay category and if you include me I'd bet my house I'd get gay submissions. And more often than not, you get submissions with FPAs before the content or money bars on the bottom of pages or something else not allowed. |
If you paid attention to the title...
...it says Auto Submit Pros and Cons. In otherwords a debatable issue.
I may have made the mistake of asking for the negative side of it, but I opened that door. I have no problem hashing out these issues. As for alienating anyone - well let me say this - if you enter a debate and you wish to discuss the issue, then you turn around and hate someone cause you chose to enter that debate, well then you to me, are someone I do not want to know anyhow. So alienate me. I've stood on my own for a long time and I see no real need to find a great deal more "friends" just associates. Those who choose too, will understand the issue and the points of the issue. My one site holds about 500 members strong. In fact, over the past year, I have averaged at least 1 sign up a day. The target at which I aimed. Any submissions I have made I get accepted at about 70% of the time. I think this is fairly good. I get requests from sites to put them on my front pages - that's how many hits they get. But this doesn't make me the best - I would never serve my ego in this fashion, cause I really have none to serve. When I came into the adult business, it was about helping people and getting help at the same time - at which point it made a turn elsewhere, if it ever did, I do not know. However, when someone brings up an issue and I do not agree with it, I certainly am not going to hate or alienate them cause the issue and I do not agree. I either avoid the subject altogether or I comment on it and forget it. And definitely am not going to try to convince someone how wrong they are because of their position, all this does is convince them even more of how right they are. Ramster, yes I understand your point and the thing about gathering emails and writing to people, even though it is a valid business proposition, I feel it is like spamming. So I felt bringing it out in a public form was much better. This one here cause this is where most of the LL owner's hang out. Now about the rules - again, just prior to submission on the script I was working on, it clearly says, familiarize yourself with the rules here. Get recip buttons here. "Make sure you know what people want and eveyone will be happy". I would like to see honest webmasters getting involved who have honest submitters. Yet, we all get bad seeds occassionally. These bads seeds under this program will be weeded out, to never get in again. So really it is not a bad idea. Much like standard submitter says by webmasters for webmasters, but also for good submitters and nothing more. Which eventually, you will see a pool of excellent submitters and will not need to allow any new ones in - unless neccessary. And those are the days of our lives! |smooch| Nick P.S. Debate is cool Surfn and no one is trying to alienate anyone. In fact i got a couple good responses from this thread already. |
My position on autosubmitters is well known. Also the fact that I do not participate in pissing matches. Call them debates if you like. Have a nice long life. :D
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Disagreeing with a point is not bigotry its called an opinion. Just because someone takes auto-submits on a TGP and not on a link list means nothing. They could use the tgp just for feeder traffic, maybe they dont care about the quality of the content on the TGP as opposed to their link list.
Auto submitters suck and pretty much no one uses them, I write my own stuff to help make the recips for me on galleries and stuff but they are all submitted by hand to each of the sites. You have your opinion to what you want to do, the nice thing about this board is that you will get everyones honest answer and not someone tip-toing around. If they dont like the idea they will tell you. Right now the problem is with cheaters and consider the size of the sites some of these people operate. Imagine getting 300+ submissions a day and 70% of them being from auto submitters who are submitting 3-4 or more sites/galleries a day. Its a pain in the ass. Andy |
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I can see you have totally good intentions. Putting info on recip buttons, reading rules ect. But the problem is a webmaster comes along and doesn't see an AutoSubmitter as a tool for making his long day of submitting easier. Too many see it as a way of slapping out as many free sites as they can, spamming sites without reading the rules and being familiar with what a link list wants. That's the problem more often that not. Not you, the autosubmitter maker (other than if you put link lists on there that say no autosubmitters in their rules), it's the people who abuse it and believe me, toooooooooo many do. It's a good debate, but the issue is still the people who abuse the hell out of an autosubmitter make it not worth allowing submissions from any one of them on the market. |
Well said Cleo, yours is the voice of reason and I think takes the day.
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I still have to laugh!
Once again here I am explaining the thread.
When I wrote it, I did not ask anyone, to side track. The question was what are the Pros and Cons of Auto Submitters. Someone raised a hair because it was a "touchy issue" and claimed I know how to piss people off. From there this thread went into a spiral - else where away from it's intended scope. Then, I come along and see something, so I toyed with it, knowing what the response would be. What I wanted to see was who would be the first to defend it. Then get a good laugh out of it - I am still laughing. Not that it really mattered. From what has developed here is that large LL's don't want the hassle of Auto Submits. And as I also discovered that other smaller LL's welcome them - one for the sake of increasing content. Next I am being told I am alienating people, albeit, cause I have raised an issue that is "Taboo" in this neck of the woods. And I'll repeat myself about this - if I alienate anyone cause I wanted to know people's opinion, while searching for some associates to join in a program with me, well there is nothing I can do about it. So, as I stated I did not intend for this to develop into some great debate - although it did, kind of. As I titled it "Pros and Cons" I guess I asked for it. Something like open mouth insert foot. LOL But this was not what I was looking for. There are a lot of good points against it and not many for it. And like anyone else, I would not want to waste my time developing anything if it is not worth it and will not produce a beneficial, as well as, lucrative return. There are some good points well taken, chances are, if I can not raise support for the script in another way, then it will probably take a back burner - to other projects of mine. Maybe these projects will be better welcomed. Now to finalize this and probably close this thread, as with any thread that is started, they can take turns away from their subject matter, as this one mostly did. To many it served no useful purpose - too some well maybe they can go away with somthing good from it - as for me, I certainly do not want anyone P.O.'d at me for bringing up a touchy subject and do not want to alienate anyone. I have many good and solid relationships with several of you here. Some for many years. As always I hope these relationships will grow and flourish. And truthfully, I will never forget those of you who gave me my start and owe many, many thanks too. Thank You! For those of you who do not know me - if you wish to judge me by this thread - for good or bad - it is okay with me. There is nothing I could do or would do to change that. We'll either part ways or get together and try to make some serious loot together. For now I'm outta here - Nick |
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