Category recips? wtf?
 

What is it with all the category recips required for listings, especially on new link lists? I can see a few places that have actually been around for a while doing it but damn, new sites too? How big of a pain in the balls will it become to submit free sites soon?

Yes, it's eearly Sunday amd I haven't had any coffee yet...

Hi darksoft nice 2 see you here...

Well I have a pretty new LL and I demand a category recip(did this from day 1).

I made my LL 2 get my hands on some SE traffic, so category recips is the way to go, as for as I see it..! Quality traffic for me, and for the submitters...

I know its much to demand for a new LL. Thats why I got the this idea DEMO: http://www.pornolistic.com/webmasters/index.htm

( after I heard the opinions of the other LL owners, I know that I have 2 do alot of changes to It. )


PLZ drink ur coffee before postin again If ur going to coment my post |peace|

I have them for the ones that wish to use them.

But they are only required if you use someone elses.

LOL! Yes, I've had a couple cups o' the bean now. I did see that page and it does help out a bit, even tho it doesn't use the recips provided by the LL, which I like to do.

I understand the theory behind the different recips for each category, just not why a new LL would require them, especially when wanting submissions to get going. You can get SE traffic without the categoried recips but then what do I know :)

i agree whole heartedly darksoft. Far too many linklists are requireing more and more outlandish things for getting listed IMHO. And before everyone starts saying "well just dont submit there if you dont like it" lemme say that i would love it if linklist owners would try to take the approach of a win/win rather than a "my way or fuck off" attitude (and im not accusing anyone of being that way at all either :) )

for instance my linklist is fairly new, we dont requre recips at all (unless there are other recips on the site, i think thats fair) much less niche specific ones, however we do have them and if webmasters use them they get a better listing.

i find it very difficult to tell people how to build their sites, i dont like it when people do it to me so i try very hard not to do it to others. I would much rather see a system of rewards and penalties for various options rather than more and more ruthless enforcement of rules.

I prefer to let the webmaster decide if its worth it or not to do different things... if you want popups on your site, fine, go nuts, but you will get a notation on your listing that you have popups and that will cut into your traffic. if you give me a niche specific recip you go on the whats cool page automatically - two listings for the price of one. and on and on

i havent found any detrements to doing it this way yet. i hope that i wont ever have to adjust my rules to more tyranical versions, but only time will tell.

It almost seems like new linklist owners want to be in "the club" and think that if they make extreme rules or enforce them in extreme ways then they will more likely be accepted into it. I saw a new linklist once that had their rules page worded like they were joseph stalin... "submit a site with more than three ads and i will blacklist you and make sure every webmaster board i know of knows what kind of sorry fuck you are" kindof wording. I dont know if it was a joke or not quite frankly, but it did make me not ever submit to them and they arent around any more anyway so that kindof speeks for itself i think. The funny thing was that the categories only had one or two sites in each of them and he was screaming about shit like "DONT FUCKING SUBMIT A SITE WITH POPUPS - im tired of dealing with them and you are fuck for putting them on your site" as if he had been reviewing for years LOL

i also dont think many new linklist owners really understand the model or marketing concept behind linklists. They read boards like this and see the experianced linklist owners talk about rule brakers and rule enforcement so they think that the stricter you are the better you will do without understanding that those experianced owners are only showing the worst examples and have thousands of links in their database. So they go nuts with their rules and end up shooting themselves in the foot over the long hawl. Nine times out of ten a linklist with crazy rules will have very little traffic and only a couple of links in the database so odds are they dont understand the model anyway and will not be around any longer than it takes them to realize that owning a linklist doesnt instantly make you rich

Jeez sorry for the book - its just something i have been thinking alot about lately and once i got to typing i couldnt stop LOL

Sure it takes a bit more time to set up your recipts but your missing the whole point this creates a win win for all :) it means targeted traffic going right the category page and not through the index page and so on ? Too tought? Come on how long to does it take to make recipt tables not as long as it took the LL owner to make his page of targeted recipits :)

Hi darksoft,

Is true, most of the link lists (older and new ones) are asking for niched recips. Probably you may lose a pair of minutes more (just to find the appropriated one), but dont forget that (each time you submit a site) you should take a look at the list's recip page , so you can be sure the recips (and/or rules) have not changed for this list.
Niched recips bring niched traffic to the link list, and Search Engines send more targeted traffic also in this way, and the best of all, if you are submitting to this list, YOU will enjoy this targeted fresh traffic (it is going to be much but probable to sell a teen´s membership to a surfer looking for teen's content, than to sell this membership to a surfer going just to a general porn categories list).
|waves|
Cheers!

Mcbethar

That chould be possible If I ever sucesses in finishing this project!

security_man: I think you have some good points in the "book" you just posted |santa| (Still no normal smily 2 choose from lol)

But then again I think its also about choosing a "concept" for your site. And I dont want 2 list sites with console FPA..... I dont get that many submits, but the once I get is good! I want 2 run a clean LL. My LL is clean and I dont try to trick the surfers to go to a sponser site, so I want this to bee reflected from the sites i list.

I wasn't missing the point. My point was, why are NEW LL owners doing this? They don't have targeted traffic, nor SE traffic, when they start up. I understand it for those LLs that have been around a while as they DO have targeted traffic and SE traffic. Those places I don't have a problem doing it for if they absolutely require it. Doing it for a LL that just opened? I'll have to pass...

As I've said previously, I don't mind doing it for established LLs. Doing it for new ones, however, I don't think so. I may lose a pair of minutes for the existing LLs to find an appropriate recip, but if all LLs start doing this, I am spending more time trying to get the recip tables done than I am actually working on the site I am submitting.

I DO look at the submit pages, rules and recip requrements for each site I submit to when I do it. Mostly I skim looking for any changes I may have not had before my previous submit. :)

Um, the whole point is to get the surfer to the sponsor site. Or am I wrong here?

I'm thinking that maybe it is time to start offering a paid for submit option.

Offer the option that for a fee you could submit no recip doorways.

Year I see your point darksoft.... I sure could use some more submitters. But then again this Is just the way i want to do it.. That submitters I HAVE make great sites I think. I dont get much traffic(little but good) But the submitted sites will say up(top) for a long time.... so

Hehe year your right about that. But there are many ways to do this... One of the ways I try 2 do it is to have a list of (sponser) sites with free movie prewievs. This way I get the surfer to my sponsers, and the surfers get what they want(and maby they want mare....)

For me Its more about teasing the surfer then tricking them. Make them bookmark and come back.

Yes it is and if it is your own traffic then you can do anything you like but if it is someone else's traffic then you have to give something back, it is a traffic trade you know. That something is building a nice site that offers some nice free pics without tricks. That is the trade, you build me some good content for my surfers and I send some traffic your way. List sites are not a public traffic utility, we are a service with a fee. The fee is you provide us with content.

I understand, that's your way of doing things and there's nothing wrong with that. :)

I understand how the relationship works and I never mentioned anything about using tricks to get signups. I was asking him what he meant about his statement.

I follow the rules of the sites I submit to. Some allow FPA and pics on html, some don't. I submit the appropriate free site to the appropriate LL.

Category recips are for LL weaklings

|knockout|

DD

heheh well if the oldtimer(darksoft) some strange way should have forgotten the concept of LLs . It should herby now be refreshed... |bananna|

Index pages are for LL weaklings…

|knockout|

The South Florida Bitch

Ore SE traffic weaklinks |knockout| ...... dam I m one |goodnight

Well, I'm not quite an old timer but I do have a serious case of CRS :D

I couldn't be bothered to read what you all said so I'm sure it's been repeated but it's actually good if you think about it. Rather than the surfer go through all the ads a Link List has on the index and then main page before going to the category, the surfer now goes directly to the cateogry so in turn a listed site should actually get more traffic in the long run since some of those surfers were not lost along the way.

See, it's all good. |rasta|

The point even for new link lists is to also gain SE traffic. If you start from the beginning with the category based recips , the traffic will be targetted from the beginning. Why start with one recip then change to another down the line, that doesnt help anyone out, do it from the beginning , takes a little more time now even for those new LL's but it will help in the long run and provide better quality traffic from the very beginning.

Just my 2 cents.

Andy

I'm completely guessing here...but iffn I were to start a new link list, I'd probably ask that submitters use the category specific links for a few reasons.

Nobody builds something like a link list with aspirations of failure. It makes sense to me that they are striving for becoming established, known, and big! So, when it grows and there are tons of sites to send surfers to, that would not be when I'd want to totally rearrange and organize my LL site. I'd prefer to have it organized and together from the start.

I can also see the benefit of a newer LL recip nestled amongst others in a table...a surfer already visiting a certain niche is hungry for more of this, would that surfer choose one that specifies that there's more of this type to click here, or just a generic porn link?

I dunno, it makes sense to me, not because they want to be tyrannical (sp?) but successful and are forward thinkers.


(ok, this is were I apologize if I'm also in need of more coffee this morning before I make more nonsense statements)|coffee

darksoft and security_man, preach it brothers.

I think you right.

Small traffic LLs that try to make submitters jump through too many hoops are shooting themselves in the foot.

They are forceing the experienced submitters to choose not to submit to them.

These experienced submitters are the ones you want you can be assured that they will never try to cheat you.

Yeah right

The best submitters are the ones you cultivate yourself. There are endless ways to get the subs you like in dealing with webmasters.

Rules are for the ones you do NOT want to deal with.

Category recips are way over-valued... and are just an unsubstantiated fad.

I would love to see PROOF that they made any difference that wasn't negative.

DD

I think there can be advantages to both sides.

For Categorized Recips:
You can say that it gives you more targetted traffic to that specific niche, the thinking being that if the user went to that site and like that particular niche of content on the free site that it would possibly make them click on your link that is going to your categorized niche links page.

Against Categorized Recips:
The only thing I could really come up with is this might bring more traffic to the site, traffic that you might otherwise not get. Maybe the person clicked on a link that was a niche they didnt really like on accident. This might draw them to the site from a generic recip.

However I think the more places that you can get urls with keywords you are trying to target with the SE's (ie., blah.com/amateur.html or whatever) I think you would be better off with SE indexing, although I am no where near a guru , but that is just what I would assume. I would think everything helps with an SE indexes the site.

Just my 2 cents :)|rasta|

So you think experienced submitters are as likely to cheat a LL as a rank noob? Love to hear the reasoning behind this one...

Off topic, but does GASS create category based recips now, since we are on the subject ? :)

Does it create a new dir for sites etc? Would be curious to know that just for building purposes.

Andy

No, it's still mainly a TGP tool, however something else will handle that stuff... one of the reasons I brought this topic up :)

Are you serious !!

Shoot the moon!

I personally don't ask for category recips because as a fairly new LL owner, I understand how hard it is to get quality submitters. You may get better SE traffic with category recips but what good is it going to do you if you can't get anyone to submit their sites. Without sites, you will definately fail. You can always ask for them later if you feel you are getting enough quality traffic to warrant it. Just my $.02

This has been an interesting thread to read :)

Let's look at this from a TGP point of view - TGP's have been asking for text based recips for quite a long time now. Now, I know this was 1st based on bandwidth issues, but now I'm seeing the same set up's as fat as the text goes with the TGP's.

As far as link lists, is it reall that much trouble to go to the recip page, copy the code form the text box & place it on your page? Hell, that's faster than saving the button, uploading it & then putting it onto your pages (plus, it does save bandwidth - LOL)

And in the end, even though no one wants to hear this.....

My Site, My Rules

:D

What are your thoughts about the benefits of the category based recips though? Do you think they are helpful? Do you have anything that can back up if it does or doesn't help? I think DD brought up a very important question. Just curious what someone like you would think as an opposing viewpoint.

Category recips do 2 things:

1 - the category specific thing - menaing that people with boob sites that use my boob recip will send me boob traffic which will more then likely go back to another boob site on my list & start the cycle over again.

2 - Search Engines - I'm not gonna lie - these category recips help out a great deal with SE hits to my category pages, which in turn sends more category specific traffic to the sites listed on that page.

I'm a BIG fan of category specific traffic & this current set up seems to be working great for all aspects of it :)

kinda off topic but reading greenguys post made me think of it... if you are going to have niche specific recips, make sure the freekin code you put up for webmasters works :/

nothing worse than making recip tables and having to go in and fix the copy and paste code someone forgot to close a