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Let's talk about cookies
Any paysite owners out there that offer cookies that last more than one day?
There are a lot of paysite owners that don't. http://cook.xirinet.com/ |
Hmm. That tool says the wrong thing about FTG... maybe it can't cope with CCBill sites?
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That's possible, there's another tool out there, it was mentioned on OTB but I don't remember the name.
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After being at OTB today, I did a litle research with a link Emmy shared with us (same one you posted sheepy).
This is my list of sponsors, and the results I came up with.... Adult Date Link = 30 Days Adult Elite = 0 Days Adult Master Cash = 7 Days AEBN = 0 Days ARS = 0 Assasin Cash = 7 Days 1 Second Adult Webmaster Empire (AWE) = 30 Days Bad Girl Bucks = 10 Days 1 Minute 11 Seconds Bang Bros = 30 Days Boob Bucks - 10 Days 1 Minute 2 Seconds Cash Maniacs = 0 Days Cash Temptation = 7 Days Curvy Cash = 2 Days Dee Cash = 365 Days 1 Minute 10 Seconds Drawn Cash = 30 Days Extreme Paychecks = 10 Days 1 Minute 11 Seconds Favourite Cash = 1 Day Ferro Cash = 255 Days Fetish Hits = 30 Days Flash Cash = 10 Days 1 Minute 10 Seconds Gamma Cash = 0 Days Guerilla Traffic = 0 Days Hentai Biz = 7 Days I'm Live = 0 Days JayMan Cash = 10 Days 1 Minute 10 Seconds Jenna Cash = 2 Days Jugg Cash = 10 Days 1 Minute 9 Seconds Lion Dollars = 365 Days Mansion Cash = 0 Days Max Cash = 0 Days Medium Pimpin = 30 Days 1 Minutes 10 Seconds More Fucking Money = 255 Days 10 Seconds Movie Room = 0 Days Nasty Dollars = 1 Day Niche Pay = 10 Days 1 Minute 10 Seconds Niches Sites = 10 Days 1 Minute 11 Seconds Niche Wealth = 0 Days NS Cash = 30 Days Nubiles Net = ? OC Cash = 30 Days 1 Minutes 10 Seconds Phil Flash Cash = 3 Days 10 Seconds Pimproll = 0 Days Porn Megabucks = 0 Days Pornstar Dollars = 10 Days 1 Minute 10 Seconds Purple Dollars = 3 Days 10 Seconds Rage Cash = 10 Days 1 Minute 10 Seconds Royal Cash = 30 Days Sapphic Cash = 3650 Days 1 Minute 10 Seconds Score Cash = 30 Days 1 Minute 10 Seconds Serious Coin = 366 Days Sextronix = 7 Days Sexy Ads = 0 Days Sic Cash = 0 Days Silver Cash = 10 Days 1 Minute 11 Seconds Sonia Cash = ? Spice Cash = 0 Days Spooky Cash = 0 Days Stories Traffic = 30 Days 1 Minute 10 Seconds Strapon Cash = 30 Days 1 Minute 10 Seconds Sunny Dollars = 0 Days Thrill Bucks = 0 Days Top Bucks = 120 Days Totem Cash = 31 Days Traffic Gigalos = 10 Days 1 Minute 9 Seconds Tushy Cash = ? Vivid Cash = 1 Day 4 Minutes Webcams.Com = 30 Days WEG Cash = 1 Day Wicked Bucks = 10 Days 1 Minute 10 Seconds Xon Demand = 10950 Days Yetis Cash = 180 Days 11 Seconds The ones with a "?" are ccbill, and wouldn't run through, so no data for those. I can see I'm going to start moving around who I'm pushing the most, and quite possibly dropping a few. |
I can see i will be doing the same we work hard to push sponsors at least they could give better cookie life . i been going through my list as well and will be hunting for new sponsors to replace the ones that give me 0 days .Im in this to make money not to give my sales away. Ihave to say thumbs up to the sponsors that give great cookie life to us.
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Yeah no cookie life is just another way to keep the type in traffic as well as bookmarkers who come back when the timing to surf porn is "better"
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If they hit one of your links in the middle of a pay period, and don't have the money right then to buy, but come back later, you're SOL for your commission money for sending them there in the first place. |
Well here are a few more that were not on Nymph's list im sure ihave more to add
Adult Pay Master = 0 days Adult Profit = 1 day bondage bank = 10 days Adult Friendfinder = 30 days Cash Traffic = 0 days CECash = 0 days Click Me Media = 0 days Easy Date = 360 days Favourite Cash = 1 day ( 0 days on bookmarkers) FetishWealth = 365 days, 1 minutes, 11 seconds TrafficCashGold = 0 days SlickCash = 10 days Hustler Cash = 7 days 21Sextury Cash = 10 days, 1 minutes, 11 seconds Lotzadollars = 180 days, 1 minutes, 10 seconds Nichepass = 3 days Kinky Dollars = 10 days, 1 minutes, 11 seconds MrSkinCash = 30 days, 1 minutes, 10 seconds MaxCash = 0 days |
I wrote that tool and it does in fact have some issues with CCbill links, mostly because CCBill link codes tend to get mangled if you apply proper web standards to its encoding and such. Will fix this some time soon when I have some time :)
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Interesting thread, and something I should pay more attention to.
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I forgot to add in the product stores I use (meds, toys, & such)
Evidence Eliminator = 365 Days Extreme Restraints = 30 Days Market Health = 30 Days PE Cash = 0 Days SexToySex = 0 Days |
Thanks for starting the thread Sheepguy |thumb
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You ladies and gents are ahead of me on your research. I was just getting into cookie checking when we started discussing them on OTB so ty for posting your results. It saves me a little time and if I come across any sponsors not already listed, I'll add them to those you have already shown on this thread. |
Kudos to nymph and Twice for posting! I think we all need to e-mail our sponsors that are on those lists and ask WTF and why?
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I added Reality Cash and Niche Green
21Sextury Cash = 10 days, 1 minutes, 11 seconds Adult Date Link = 30 Days Adult Elite = 0 Days Adult Friendfinder = 30 days Adult Master Cash = 7 Days Adult Pay Master = 0 days Adult Profit = 1 day AEBN = 0 Days ARS = 0 Assasin Cash = 7 Days 1 Second Adult Webmaster Empire (AWE) = 30 Days Bad Girl Bucks = 10 Days 1 Minute 11 Seconds Bang Bros = 30 Days bondage bank = 10 days Boob Bucks - 10 Days 1 Minute 2 Seconds Cash Maniacs = 0 Days Cash Temptation = 7 Days Cash Traffic = 0 days CECash = 0 days Click Me Media = 0 days Curvy Cash = 2 Days Dee Cash = 365 Days 1 Minute 10 Seconds Drawn Cash = 30 Days Easy Date = 360 days Evidence Eliminator = 365 Days Extreme Paychecks = 10 Days 1 Minute 11 Seconds Extreme Restraints = 30 Days Favourite Cash = 1 Day Ferro Cash = 255 Days Fetish Hits = 30 Days FetishWealth = 365 days, 1 minutes, 11 seconds Flash Cash = 10 Days 1 Minute 10 Seconds Gamma Cash = 0 Days Guerilla Traffic = 0 Days Hentai Biz = 7 Days Hustler Cash = 7 days I'm Live = 0 Days JayMan Cash = 10 Days 1 Minute 10 Seconds Jenna Cash = 2 Days Jugg Cash = 10 Days 1 Minute 9 Seconds Kinky Dollars = 10 days, 1 minutes, 11 seconds Lion Dollars = 365 Days Lotzadollars = 180 days, 1 minutes, 10 seconds Mansion Cash = 0 Days Market Health = 30 Days Max Cash = 0 Days Medium Pimpin = 30 Days 1 Minutes 10 Seconds More Fucking Money = 255 Days 10 Seconds Movie Room = 0 Days MrSkinCash = 30 days, 1 minutes, 10 seconds Nasty Dollars = 1 Day Nichepass = 3 days Niche Pay = 10 Days 1 Minute 10 Seconds Niche Green = 0 days Niches Sites = 10 Days 1 Minute 11 Seconds Niche Wealth = 0 Days NS Cash = 30 Days Nubiles Net = ? OC Cash = 30 Days 1 Minutes 10 Seconds PE Cash = 0 Days Phil Flash Cash = 3 Days 10 Seconds Pimproll = 0 Days Porn Megabucks = 0 Days Pornstar Dollars = 10 Days 1 Minute 10 Seconds Purple Dollars = 3 Days 10 Seconds Rage Cash = 10 Days 1 Minute 10 Seconds Reality Cash = 0 days Royal Cash = 30 Days Sapphic Cash = 3650 Days 1 Minute 10 Seconds Score Cash = 30 Days 1 Minute 10 Seconds Serious Coin = 366 Days SexToySex = 0 Days Sextronix = 7 Days Sexy Ads = 0 Days Sic Cash = 0 Days Silver Cash = 10 Days 1 Minute 11 Seconds SlickCash = 10 days Sonia Cash = ? Spice Cash = 0 Days Spooky Cash = 0 Days Stories Traffic = 30 Days 1 Minute 10 Seconds Strapon Cash = 30 Days 1 Minute 10 Seconds Sunny Dollars = 0 Days Thrill Bucks = 0 Days Top Bucks = 120 Days Totem Cash = 31 Days TrafficCashGold = 0 days Traffic Gigalos = 10 Days 1 Minute 9 Seconds Tushy Cash = ? Vivid Cash = 1 Day 4 Minutes Webcams.Com = 30 Days WEG Cash = 1 Day Wicked Bucks = 10 Days 1 Minute 10 Seconds Xon Demand = 10950 Days Yetis Cash = 180 Days 11 Seconds |
I'll fix up the tool sooner or later (heh... no time no time arrrrghhh) and have it generate lists like the one above for easy viewing :D At least, once I get around to sorting out all the URL's. People have been busy with it and it's got a shitload of URLs to check every day :D
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XCoreCash = 30 days
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I didn't think you were. That's why I didn't quote it as yours and just used the information as a general warning to those who don't already know about those things.
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We're at 180 days :)
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I wrote a cookie testing tool for ccbill... not as fancy as MadCat's but it does the job
http://www.onlyccbill.com/cookie_checker.php Oh nice meeting some of you at the Amsterdam|potleaf| meetup it was awesome! |
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What would be considered resonable? 30 days? 2 weeks? At what point are you getting screwed?
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Ideally a cookie should never expire, LD... anything shorter than that, someone is taking your traffic and refusing to pay you for the surfer you originally sent to them. We used to use 255 days since that was the max CCBill could do. Otherwise I'd have set it to never expire. Why wouldn't I want to pay the original affiliate? Seriously, that's the question some sponsors answer the wrong fucking way.
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Those cookie checker tools are very handy. Thanks to both of you for the work you put into making them |thumb
I just ran a few ccbill sponsors that do not appear in the lists so far. These come from the links produced when you go into ccbill, click tools and then click banners for your link code. Just for interest I also added whether or not the ccbill fees are split as well. coxcash = 17 hrs 0 min 2 secs - Don't split naughty niche = 17hrs 3min 56 secs - Split MetArt = 1 days 17 hrs 0 min 2 secs - Split nbb cash =2 days 17 hrs 1 sec - Split thin fetish = 2 days 17 hrs 3 mins 56 secs - Split fetish by anna = 2 days 17hrs 2 secs - Don't split shiny dollars = 2 days 17 hrs 2 secs - Split male perfection = 36 weeks 17 hrs 0 min 2 secs - don't split sonia cash = 36 weeks 2 days 17 hrs 56 secs - don't split Feel free to re-check these as my browser is on a go slow at the moment. From what I understand, cookie lengths are set using the cookie default expiry date, (tell me if I'm wrong). That being the case why did these results give such odd figures? Is this something to do with the servers interpreting the time after a figure has been inserted? Surely a whole number for the day, week, month or year would be much easier to insert for the expiration time. |
Using rooty's I ran the CCBill ones through that I couldn't get on MadCat's
Nubiles Net = 2Day(s) 17Hr(s) 0Min(s) 3Sec(s) Tushy Cash = 2Day(s) 17Hr(s) 0Min(s) 3Sec(s) And BB had Sonia Cash on his list. |
Those ones with 0 make me sad because I push some of them heavily :(
Our cam sites a DTI are 30 days :) |
What a great resource! It's amazing how many of them last 0 or 1 days.
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It's funny though, even though I don't make a lot of sales, the majority of my sales come from the sponsors with low length or no cookies.
So based on that, I thinking that it all depends upon how the site converts rather than if the punter revisits and joins at a later date |huh But like I said my traffic is low and sales are peanuts... so if you have high traffic and lots of sales, I would be interested to hear on how it works for you (runs off to look at Greenguys stats). Thinking about it though, there could be 10 million other factors involved in the process - still it would be interesting |
Ramster, Bdok,, preacher, and I were talking about sponsor cookies in Vegas last winter.
It seems many if not most sponsors affiliate cookies will get overwritten anyways if google sends a surfer to the sites via a sponsors direct link |
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Let me state one thing - the cookie checker is "as-is", for all you know I fucked it up and it'll start returning 0 for everything at some point, please use it as a tool just to check things quicky, and don't let it be the sole reason for promoting (or not promoting) a sponsor. As Dunc said, if a tour converts, you don't need a 365 day cookie because someone will sign up the minute they land on the tour page.
Also, cookies can (and do) get overwritten - in general if I send a surfer to a sponsor and the surfer already has a cookie from that sponsor for another affiliate, that cookie gets overwritten with mine (the honest thing really). The nasty thing is that most sponsors will delete any cookies that were set if you go straight to a website. |
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Sure if the surfer on your referal looks around and gets interested but doesn't bite, he might (slim chance in hell) go back to that exact same referal page and click it again....but most likely he will do a earch for the site in a search engine and follow the link he finds to the paysite on the search page AND THE COOKIE WILL GET OVERWRITTEN by the new affilates...or he will see another page promoting that site, and think oh yea this is what I was looking at and that new referrer gets the sale...or they will remember the sites name but forget the .com and google will nicely put the sites direct link up and the sponsor will not have to pay ANY affiliate...or as Mad Cat says, even if the surfer remembers the exact url of the paysite, as he types it directly many sponsors immediately will overwrite ALL cookies setting their own anyways pretty much defeating the point of cookies (NOW THAT IS SHITTY and perhaps something a tool would beuseful for, giving you the ability to read cookies as then you could click your own affiliate link and then look at the cookie set once you go to the site...then close your browser windows and reopen your browser and go directly to the sites main url...then look at the cookie again...THAT is where you will find sponsors ripping you off). So stop worrying about cookie length so much...make sure you make the sale the first time you send the surfer there |
You make a good point Meatpounder. You want the person to buy immediately, but what about those people who find your link, like what they see and want to buy, but can't for the following reasons;
They are at work They have to wait for pay day Their partner is around and they don't want to join while they are there They are at home but friends are visiting and they don't have time to buy Their kids are still up and they won't join until they are in bed They are away from home and want to sign up later A whole bunch of other reasons. Basically if the buyer is not in a position to buy pretty much straight away, a short term or 0 day cookie is a waste of time, so why bother using the sponsor? Yes there are instances where your going to get the sale but how many times do you lose that sale because your cookie expires due to any of the reasons above? I agree you are going to lose sales when the person remembers only the main .com but at least you have a chance of retaining the sale if the cookie is in place. If a cookie expires straight away or within a couple of days, the chances are your going to loose out even though you may have the perfect site with a perfect ad for the site your selling. Sorry but good traffic being wasted because of a short cookie is a waste of that traffic in my mind and I for one will not be promoting sites with cookies I consider a waste of time. I just hate the thought of all the work involved with pulling the links. My first step in any case would be to email the sponsor and see if the cookie can be changed. If you don't ask, you don't know and that is something everybody should do before pulling a link. I know this topic is going to come up on OTB this week. Unfortunately Emmy and I cannot be there because we will be down in the city until late that night. Can I ask someone to put together the main points of the discussion because I would like to know what other people think about this or keep a copy of the chat and fill in the blanks on what is said by any callers to the show? |
I agree Blue Brit. There are many deciding factors in why and when a surfer buys a membership - I find that to be especially true when there is a timed trial period. Its that situation when cookie length is most critical. Many people, for the reasons stated above dont or cant buy right then. But if they only have a one day trial option, they will only sign up when they know they have the time and can enjoy that trial.
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Since I got me a decent connection 5-6 years ago I have almost always been a member of a paysite somewhere, but I have never signed up at the first visit, when I stumble up on something that interests me I bookmark, and in the end of each month I decide if I´m going to try one of the bookmarked sites or stay where I am, this way some of the sites may stay bookmark for a long time, I have a couple that are one year old or more
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I agree Greenie , when i was checking cookies i wondered why so many were 0 but now after OTB i see why. Not all sponsors use cookies as some with 0 are my best sellers.Not sure i will be judging a sponsor based on cookie life now. More on performance and stats the same way i always have. ( unless i find something new that works better ).
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Greenie has a very valid point. No one should make a decision on whether or not to use a sponsor based solely on cookie length and I appreciate him pointing out that not all sponsors use cookies. I also agree that there are some very good sponsors in the lists that probably should not be there and if I am already promoting them, I will continue to do so.
When I first mentioned I was checking cookies, it was because I was trying to see where I could improve sales and that's the only reason I am looking at cookie lengths. Each sponsor I check will be dealt with individually before any decision on whether to stop promoting them is made and I will contact those sponsors directly to ask if short cookies can be extended. I did not start this to tell people not to promote one sponsor over another based solely on these findings although I did say that I would not be using sponsor programs where a zero or very short cookie length existed and I stand by that. However I don't make any decision regarding pulling links until I have talked to the sponsor in question and received their reply. The checks I am running are to give me more information, which then gives me a better foundation on how to judge a sponsors program and it's worth in promoting. I am trying to improve sales not start a witch hunt. I would never advise anybody to simply pull links without having all of the information at hand at that means you have to talk to your sponsors. That is what an affiliate manager is there for. Ask the questions if you have doubts over cookie lengths but do not blindly pull links because of what has been said to date. Common sense has to rule when judging these programs. If you are getting good sales then you would be foolish to pull the links. Think about what you are doing before you do anything and always talk to your sponsors affiliate managers if you have any doubts. |
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