Tube site conversion ratio question
 

Anyone that has a tube site here, have you had good or bad conversion ratios to date with the sponsors content being used, since going live with your sites? Or have you seen a lot of traffic that was/is unproductive so far?

The traffic to my tube has been really good, but the conversion ratios suck!

I'm sure that's 'normal' for tube sites...

Why would a surfer pay for porn if he can watch hours and hours for free on your tube?

Within 4 days of putting up a tube site, I got a sale, and that was just with less than 100 uniques per day to the tube.

1 sale is better than nothing, but there's still hope.

Yeah Fonz, too true, why pay for clear quality when you can jack for free to all that fine fuzzy low quality porn out there |crazy|

I never expected any miracles from the start when I put up a tube...right now tho, I'm just thinking about putting one up at a dedicated domain and take it from there.

Thanks for the input guys.

Tube Sites are, broadly speaking, "Sharing" sites - not "Selling" sites. Make a site, give samples, write sales text. Make sales.

Create a huge archive of free movies with no sales text - and share your free porn collection. Show me otherwise.

Tube sites can do okay as long as they're very niche specific -- treat it like an MGP and you will get some results out of it. Ratios still suck though :)

tube sites are the tgp's of 8 to 9 years ago

everything that was said in this thread was said about tgps 8 years ago

As long as you're not giving stealing and re-distributing full length clips, "it is what it is".

Saw a legal tube the other day using a trading script!

So... when is Tommy's going to become a tube site?

|couch|

Stirring the pot ehh |thumb

Legal tubes make money if done carefully, make sure you have good writing to match up with your videos and go with a niche you know. This works for us anyway.

So true, and TGP's are still around everyone said they would kill link lists and free sites which are still aroud too. Makes me wonder how much technology changing really has to do with the habbits of surfers changing.

My tube/blog does extremely well with long movies. Upsell the high definition videos.

HanksGalleries now lists full tube movies from other sites :(

Hell, I decided to put up another blog and put effort into that. The blogs have been producing more conversions for me than a tube.

MGPs have just grown up.

I have looked at buying about 50 different tube sites. I found the average conversion to be about .25 per 1,000 unique visitors, which makes the average barely profitable at todays conversions. The range, however, was .06 to .68. At .35 and above, many of the tubes were quite profitable. Below, .20, they actually lost money, normally to the surprise of the webmaster. I think some of the top tubes with much viral traffic do significantly better, which is why they are not for sale...LOL

I have also looked a vid dumps that seem to average around .80 per 1000 visitors and are normally very profitable.

As a comparison, my blog/SEO network converts at right around $7 per 1000 unique visitors, which I know is quite good. But, it takes alot of effort to get each of those 1000 visitors.

As a comparison, my blog/SEO network converts at right around $7 per 1000 unique visitors, which I know is quite good. But, it takes alot of effort to get each of those 1000 visitors.

That's one of the reasons I decided to just go with blogs more than tubes...there's is and always will be that dedicated surfer group(s) who want substance rather than the "quick fix" tube sites deliver. I'm sure that will change in time. It always does.

Anything worth doing will take a lot of effort, but it will pay off in the end.

Usually tubes are doing well with up-selling long movies

I will relate, a phrase, I read from another site. This sentence was like a kick in the nuts to me, when I first read it. "Tube Sites are great for selling everything except porn". This quote came from a old timer in this industry who is converting his sites with hundreds of thousands of uniques a day, over to Tube Sites.

I am relating that sentence out of context of course. This same guy painted a picture of a porn future, with many tube sites selling many products, not just porn. In his theory porn content producers, would do well selling their content, to site owners and surfers alike, thought affiliate tube sites.

Anyway, this is one possible outcome, a win win for everyone, and we lived happily ever after. I was always going to diversify, my sites and not just count on blogs, but have tgps, mpgs, and tube sites.

Choker said that.. but he also admitted that he was wrong when he started to get checks from the links below the videos..

i made a new tube , it has about 1k unique daily , banner clicks are with the same ratio with my picture gallery site but there is no a sale since that time other is doing regularly.

on some of my tube sites that are really niched out I've done a couple bucks by making sure to have free signup things on it you get a buck or so for just people giving email addresses and such. It's a couple bucks a month, but it all adds up at the end of the year. |thumb

- get a scraping script which scrapes big tube sites (they start from $30)
- import 1000s of vids hosted on their servers, not yours of course, hosting is still not free
- trade a-b-c hardlinks from your worthless pr0-3 sites so your tube scraper is free from outgoing links to receive more love from the search engines
- forget about promoting paysites - noone buys memberships these days when you can find full scenes on torrents and rapidshare
- put up dating/cams/enlargement ads and make money.
- not to mention that you will do better if you filter out specific niche from big tube sites and make more sites each with it's own niche.

as simple as that :)

I'd rather not scrape illegal vids to my site and don't want anything to do with those who do.

And that's a fine example as to why sales are down and will most likely star down until that kind of crap stops.

Ok, curious...how exactly are you making any money at all with that kind of approach? Sure you list dating and cam sites, but wouldn't pushing good sponsors FLV's and all that increase your odds of actually making any kind of money at all, instead of random small dollar signups from whichever cam/dating sites?

After all, any legit sponsor is going to have better quality promo material to use, not some fuzzed and shit homemade porn video being uploaded by the user, or taken from elsewhere. The surfer will eventually want better quality, not 7 minutes of out of focus amateur stuff. They get off on low quality now, but sooner or later they'll want better.

Actually, a lot of people enjoy low quality true amateur stuff - and will never want better. Tube sites are often the best places to find authentic amateur porn. I can't stand produced porn with the same old pornstars. They all deepthroat/gag, take 14 inches of cock up their asshole, and squirt. How droll. Guys like me don't want to watch the chicks we can't have doing things we aren't interested in doing. We want to watch "normal" looking girlfriends/wives having mediocre sex at home or in the family car.

Fuck, I use pics I bought 10-12 years ago, and rarely use paysite sponsors.
My goal is not to get the surfer to jack off to the stuff I give away, but to get them to go to a cam girl, or a recurring AVS site, or, lately, a dating service.
If I build a gallery or a free site I really don't give a fuck if the surfer is impressed by the quality, I want them to click for something better, if they jerk off for free, I've lost them.

Do you think people are watching fucking Citizen Kane? They are just trying to rub one out. I am sure that SD video is fine for the thieving cheap bastards out there!

Exactly, except there are a lot of big tubes that are completely legit, or slowly becoming legit, so they aren't all thieving bastards.

Quite frankly, anyone who doesn't understand tubes at this point, hasn't taken the time to enjoy them. From the average surfer's point-of-view, they're really quite wonderful. There are a couple that I absolutely adore.

I said it months ago, and I'll say it again. Competing with the tubes is about competing with them in the search engines. If you aren't working your SE game and purchasing, yes PURCHASING, a ton of inbound keyword links, then you aren't competing. Some of the early tubes may have been built by thieves, but they were smart thieves. They redesigned the playing field. Play it their way or pass the ball to someone who will.

NOT !

Tgps were teazers with low quality stuff versus full lenght HD now.

Why buy ? Now you tell me ! People will settle for less as it's free.

Let's say the government gives away brand new cheap cars. Selling at 8k each. Guess what kind of cars you'll see everywhere ? Of course, guys willing to drive their Mercedez and Ferrari's will continue to do so but the majority of people will drive the damn cheap car as it's FREE !

someone said it well earlier. water is free out of a tap yet bottles of water are one of the best selling beverages at say a gas station...etc.....

paying customers are that way because of many reasons other than cost vs. free. things like security etc...come into play.

-abatis

Besides us, there are plenty of legit, legal, authorized content providers out there where you can get content too.

We run a tube and we submit to them. We do get paysite sales and even if they don't stay on there is enough traffic from it that our cam sales, etc. go up accordingly too. Our submits do great or terrible on any given day - but the average conversion is still decent and I can certainly say that the profit is there for us to continue submitting.

I am not being coy about providing specific ratios. I just learned long ago not to believe anyone else when they brag about their conversions and to not expect anyone to believe me when I say how well we do.

No offense, but I don't think that is a great example so let me suggest one that I think works better. Explain why people pay for cable channels when they get tons of free programming on CBS, NBC, ABC?

Even when they can see the same show that once cost money on cable...

And those cable companies buy ads on free tv...

For us, the people that join our site realize there is more to it than just tons of videos. For many other paysites, it looks great on the outside but when the customer gets inside they realize that they have already seen it all for free and there is nothing else compelling to pay for. So even though you may see the same movie on HBO that eventually plays on ABC, you were able to see it sooner and uncut with no intrusive commercials on HBO first and that is a premium that many will pay for in spite of a "free" option.