Anyone getting listed at Hoes.com lately?
 

I'm not getting any confirmation emails and can't find my sites back in their directory.

Got this email from him a couple of day's ago. He seems to be geting back to focusing on hoes at least.

"Hi, this is in regard to a trade I had with: xxxx
If you are currently trading with hoes.com, please disregard this email, otherwise, let's get to it!

Yes, I've been hiding. Lots of mainstream projects have kept my plate full, but it's time to focus some attention on hoes.com, my first love.

I let trading script problems go un-noticed for quite a long time. This note is to assure you that everything is back to 100%. I want our trades back!

Your domain is in the database and ready to receive hits. Please setup a hard link with any anchor text you wish pointing to the appropriate niche category at hoes.com. (when you signed up, you picked a matching category) Send 5 hits a day and you'll get a hard link on my site. If you have other sites to trade with, please go here: http://www.hoes.com/webmasters/ If you have questions, please reply or icq me: xxxx Let's start things over!

Sincerely,

Marc @ Hoes"

Nope.

Took them off my submit list a few weeks ago after not getting anything listed for a few months.

he got caught up on a back log of sites and fixed a script error i pointed out to him about a month ago..then it stopped on the updates/submission reviews and listings...
so i pulled him from my submit routine a few days back...he never had huge traffic, but it was steady...if he gets it back up and caught up on my back submissions, i'd readd him back to my submit routines..

Now that you mention it, I have stopped getting approval letters.

Looking through Hoes' categories I only see about a dozen free sites listed in each category and none of them were mine.

i did the exact same thing cleo, and then stopped using them on thier links..

I remember old thread that marc mentioned something about sites rotations on hourly basis, but I won't give my hand or anything else for that.

I remember that too but I also remember there being a whole lot more free sites listed at a time and back then Hoes sent a pretty decent amount of traffic.

Checks from Movie Room are late too :(

Not sure why but I never was able to sell the Movie Room and gave up some time ago.

Thats what my experience was. Sent 6000 hits had 1 sale and they charged back the next day. Took that as a hint and pulled them.

I had that... 9000 hits, 1 sale - charge back next day.... wierd

Yah that's weird.

I had a couple sales a few years ago that are still rebilling |thumb

I stopped submitting a long time ago. Sad, because I used to get really good traffic from him.

MovieRoom, I used to do really well with, and they rebilled forever. Then I went a very long time with no new sales, so pulled as many links as I could find. I am 1/24,700+ with them this year, which is really, really sad. Still get rebills though from last year.

I just looked after your letter NickName, because I KNOW I send at least 5 hits a day on the category trade I had with him, and see the site doesn't show up. Guess I'll pull that too.

It's a shame that these good sites are put on "auto pilot" or in the hands of a minion as opposed to the owner - they always seem to fail shortly after.

Marc's a good guy & I'd still trade links with him, but I can totally understand all your issues.

I will say that in doing checks that his cat pages are still rotating, not sure if its hourly, but I am seeing different results with a number of spot checks this past week.

Looks like he is not accepting/reviewing anyone at this moment because checking his teen cat, which was always filled with *new* sites, seems to be a rotation of his database. I even noticed a site I built a couple years back.

I still submit to him, secondary group that I only sub a few sites a week to, just in case he decides to review again.

I get traffic from a few categories on Hoes where I've submitted free sites, so I'd agree that the listings are rotating. I keep him on my recip table because I hope he's busy with the promised tune-up on MovieRoom.

Regarding MovieRoom, my traffic is converting 1:1,982 there for year-to-date.
In 2009 it was 1:840.
In 2008 it was 1:370.

But with good rebills I'm still getting 9+ cents per unique sent this year.

My problem is getting enough people to go there. The current promo tools are just worn out from being used for so long. I wish Marc would have given his affiliates the basic SmartFlash code to run locally along with new clips we could plug into the various ad size templates to keep things fresh. Or better yet, also let affiliates clip what they want from a library of promo clips.

That's like sending 10 hits & getting a $20.00 re-bill on the same day - $2.00/click?

The proper way to do it for revshare programs is to run ALL TIME numbers. This will give you a much more accurate per click number.

Take it from a guy that knows stats :D

Yeah, I was mostly making the point about the conversion ratios worsening each year.

My all-time numbers are at 8 cents/unique, and if I hadn't cut myself short what I meant to say was my 2008 numbers were 9 cents/unique but by 2009 the number went down to 7.5 cents each (counting both years) so getting back to 9 cents in 2010 was nice to see even if all-time since 2008 is 8 cents (which is still better than the 7.5 cents it was for 2008-2009 combined).

Better? :D

Perfect! You can now do stats with me :D

I just received an email from Marc regarding his LinkList. The main point is he requires a mass change of old backlinks pointing to hoes, he will reward you with a permanent link to one of your sites from Hoes.. Have you received that email too?

Yeah I got that one right after I received notice that he had approved a site I submitted some time ago.

Good to see that he is back reviewing and I'm thinking of talking him up on his offer for a link back to my LL.

I've been saying for a while that fixed and required recip text is a big mistake for google, and I've suggested we should figure out a new system that changes that requirement.

I'm back!!!

And I'm glad to see this thread. It means alot to me that people are "wondering" about hoes.com. At least it hasn't been forgotten.

The main issue here has been letting go of two employees. The problem is that these were the employees handling the day to day with free site submissions and reviews. This was a sudden firing of these guys for crazy reasons and I was unprepared to handle their work. I made a decision to take a break from free sites while I sorted this all out. My apologies for not posting a thread about it. I've just been crazy out of my mind as you can imagine.

Anyway, rest assured that all of the backlogged submissions are still in the system. I will catch up with them day by day as I've been able to better prioritize my workload.

As one of you mentioned, I began sending out an email today related to the niche category recip links. Yes, those are a HUGE mistake these days. The surest way to get nailed by Google is to keep pounding away at the same anchor text link day after day. It's affected many linklists over the last 6 months and the best way to improve our situation is to either not use them or randomize the links pointing to our sites.

Because older linklists like hoes.com have 100k+ free sites pointed at them, it's not an easy task to get those links changed. The email I sent out today is an effort to at least get "some" of them changed. Basically, if you have a way of going through your backlog of free sites and randomizing or changing the anchor text, then I am offering a permanent link to a site of your choice as a thank you for your efforts.

I do have new recip links available and I wish for everyone to start using them as they are different than before. As of today, there are 2000 sites in the queue. I''m hoping some of those can be changed before I get to them. If not, I'll send out that email letting you know of the issue.

I know it's a pain to change things, but the old way of forcing anchor text recips is dead. Natural linking is king, but impossible to imitate for free sites. So random anchor text is a step in the right direction.

Random meaning "Great Porn Site" or "Check This Porn" or "Hoes.com Links" or whatever really... it needs to look natural. Linking with "Blowjobs" isn't going to work anymore!

thanks everyone

marc

I also understand your concerns about movieroom and agree with everything. My 2011 strategy is to get back to my roots. Hoes and movieroom are my roots. The new mainstream projects have taken me away from all of this.

I'll make announcements here as I am able to provide more things for Movieroom. I also plan to revamp the tour a bit to improve conversions.

Make it known though that the tube sites have hurt DVD pay sites alot so 2008 conversion don't seem possible. But I can improve it.

marc

Glad to hear you are working on submits. And I will start submitting to you again. |thumb

I just purchased a TGP from a guy today and created a link list/TGP site from it.

Reading your post, I put 5 or 6 choices that had other words in them, to make them seem more natural (yet not blind). Thanks for the tip...something I would not have thought of.

And would love to see you get better conversions for MovieRoom. I know none of us has as good of conversions in this economy as we did a few years ago, but improvement would be good.

Oh, and all movieroom payments will be caught up this week. Some idiot modified a check I sent out. Changed it from $156 to $8156 and cashed it. So I had to hold payments until this was resolved. Dumb ass is going to hit the jail cell for that one.

marc

I didn't see new recips at the link off the submit page. Looked like the old page to me.

Are you going to have guidelines for randomizing links?

The links here are new:
http://www.hoes.com/go/webmasters/linking.html

I plan to randomize them myself periodically. And then announce on the submit page to grab the new ones. I won't do it that often as I don't want to make this a pain in the ass. But monthly would make sense.

But webmasters can use whatever they wish for the recip. I suppose that's the new policy! As long as you still link to the matching niche category, you can make the text anything you wish.

marc

marc, I dont understand the "Regarding your hoes.com link submission... I'm mixing things up." letters I'm getting, the ones with a link to a site subbed to you some weeks ago.

For instance, one I got today contained a link to a gay freesite I subbed, then under that is a single line that says:

Pretty russian whore Taylor Russo gets her curly pussy nailed and cum facialized

something I never wrote for sure, and I have no idea what the email means.

but it feels like a rejection email, with the "Regarding your hoes.com link submission"

I got another similar one - containing a link to a gay freesite subbed some time ago, and the rest of it was the text of your recent letter, the "propose an offer" letter.

What do these emails mean?

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I was planning on going back over some freesites and randomizing the link texts for you, but it will take me a week or two to get started.

marc good to see you back hands on in all of this!
i know that with you there things will improve and you'll get all caught up..
good talking with you via email as well man.
I'll start dropping some new free sites to you as early as this next week.

Sounds like that first email you received was a copy/paste mistake on my part. Sorry about that.

Basically, I'm going back through the backlog of free sites and sending this email out to as many unique webmasters as I can. I simply can't keep accepting free sites with the same tired anchor text. I'm trying to not duplicate the email too many times, but it's hard for me to tell if I've sent it before. It seems lots of webmaster use unique emails depending on the domain of the site they submit. In your case, do you use one unique email address? If so, please shoot that to me at marc_b (at) hoes.com so that I can make sure to accept the rest of yours since you said you plan to go back and randomize.

Forgive me if you accidentally get another of those emails... it would be purely by mistake.

marc

Marc - it's your site, but it seems kinda shitty to reject sites that were submitted weeks ago because you changed the way the recip link is a couple days ago. I mean, they were submitted following the rules at the time & you're punishing people because they could not foresee the future.

The vast majority of sites I submit to now I do a single link to the index page, and not double links to index & category page. If you are in a table, where I link this way to everyone else, would you accept a single link to Hoes?

Hey Greenguy!

Oh, I'm not deleting all those old ones, I'm attempting to email JUST ONCE to people that have submitted recently letting them know of the new policy. If I email multiple times, it's a mistake. So in essence just one site is being rejected, but they are free to resubmit it.

Sorry for the confusion. It's not my intent to force everyone to change the old submissions in order to get approved... just trying to get the word out.

marc

Most certainly, yes.

The whole point is to move away from the standard which you are doing.... so thank you.
marc

Maybe busy for some reasons. If you are waiting for long confirmation. :D

Have you received any confirmation emails from me? I'm accepting a big batch every day.

marc